Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-10-02 Thread Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user
Thank you for bringing this suggestion to the mailing list, Samveen. There have 
been parallel discussions occurring in the GitHub issue and the mailing list 
and it is difficult to tell if everyone is following along with both 
discussions.

I agree that handing off the xCAT ecosystem to a new entity is a question that 
will need to be resolved if we can identify a new set of maintainers to 
continue the project. When discussing how we might handle handing off the 
project internally, Software in the Public Interest (SPI) was discussed as a 
possible avenue to pursue. If a critical mass of new maintainers can be 
achieved, I think there are a variety of options that would be workable.

For package signing keys, I would suggest transitioning to a new set of keys 
and a public announcement about the transition.

The interest in continuing the project is well received and IBM is interested 
in continuing to participate in the project in a reduced capacity if the 
project is able to continue.


From: Samveen Gulati via xCAT-user 
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2023 1:52 PM
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Cc: Samveen Gulati 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life 
planned for December 1, 2023

Hi all,

There are a few sticking points for handing off the xCAT ecosystem to any 
entity outside IBM. The important bits that I can immediately think of are as 
below:

- Continuity of package repositories and Package signing keys.
- Ownership of the Github XCAT2 organization and all attached resources
- Project ownership of the Sourceforge project
- Domains attached to xCAT (xcat.org et. al.)
- License ownership

>From IBM's perspective, all these need to be handed of to a trustworthy 
>entity, as any entity in control of this intellectual equity can easily 
>destroy the ecosystem at best, and easily and silently spread malware across 
>all the clusters at worst.

My suggestion for a solution to this problem was that xcat community join an 
existing umbrella project that can ensure that both IBM as well as the 
community are safe and secure during and after any transition period (some more 
info at https://github.com/xcat2/xcat-core/issues/7405#issuecomment-1715422156 
).


However, this will require some amount of prep work. If anyone has any 
experience with umbrella projects, it'll be great to have some guidance on how 
to proceed.

Kilian Cavalotti (Stanford University HPC) checked with Stanford's 
organizational entities, but there isn't any entity that might be able to 
handle something like this.

Apache's Incubator might be nice, but it's a long process, and the code will 
need to be re-licensed to something compatible with ASL to be allowed into the 
incubator. I haven't the legal skills to compare, but if someone has the 
bandwidth to audit the licensing, it would be another task off the ToDo list 
(which is yet to be made).

In the meantime, I'm reading the docs at https://www.spi-inc.org/  already, but 
would greatly appreciate non-neophyte help.

Regards,
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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-10-02 Thread Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user
in the greater HPC marketplace we have many customers that rely 
on xCAT and we will need to work with them to identify an alternative should 
xCAT discontinue.  I’ve reached out to the IBM team as well as Jarrod from 
Lenovo and others in the community.  I am very interested in putting together a 
plan that would continue to provide an open source option that is platform 
agnostic.

With respect to Jarrod’s comments about using Confluent as a starting point for 
future development of xCAT, there are a number of considerations.  Here are a 
few.

  *   Is Lenovo committed to keeping Confluent open-source
  *   Is Lenovo open to integration of features/capabilities of non-Lenovo 
vendors
  *   Governance.  Who controls changes to the code base and future development 
directions
  *   Does xCAT remain it’s own project and share code with Confluent or do 
they become one project

There are definitely other considerations, but I just wanted to get a few 
thoughts out there.  My opinion is that Jarrod’s idea is one that should be 
given significant thought and debate.  xCAT2 was, according to everything I’ve 
read, a complete rewrite of the original xCAT.  Therefore, adopting Confluent 
as the next version is not a bridge too far, in my opinion.  I also can’t speak 
to the original intentions of IBM when xCAT2 was released with respect to 
multi-vendor support.  I can say that as a member of the xCAT community I would 
like to see the project continue as open source and vendor agnostic.

I would really like to hear from anyone that is interested in keeping the 
project alive.  I’m hopeful that we can reach a solution as a community.

Best Regards,



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On Sep 21, 2023, at 10:59 AM, Jarrod Johnson 
mailto:jjohns...@lenovo.com>> wrote:

There are at least some options I've heard discussed, if anyone has feedback:
-Someone to take over the xCAT 2.x codebase as-is, adding some missing stuff 
like Ubuntu 20+ support, RHEL9, etc.  I don't know that anyone has volunteered 
to go all in on all that exactly yet.

-Try to establish a community around confluent (potentially as 'xCAT 3').  This 
may suggest some sort of rebranding and/or governance changes, but basically 
starting from confluent instead of xCAT 2 for the xCAT-like experience.  Not 
precisely xCAT-like but was designed "by one of the designers of xCAT 2" with a 
lot of sensibilities preserved.  Given that there's not much in the way of 
'backwards compatibility', I'm cautious about the 'xCAT 3' branding, and while 
I would be a consistent contributor across xCAT 2.0 through 2.8 and then 
confluent, it would technically be a change from an IBM to Lenovo 
contributions, which I could see being a challenge.

-The current default trajectory is an archived project and people having to 
decide for themselves what to do next (only 'all-in-one' options that I know to 
be cross-platform are Bright and Confluent, if just OS deployment, then I 
commonly see Foreman used for diskful, with Warewulf being an option for mostly 
diskless scenario).  Obviously, I like Confluent best, but of course​ I would.



From: Brian Joiner mailto:martinitime1...@gmail.com>>
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This is the saddest thing I've hear in some time.  I've had the chance to 
support customers with Bright, HP cluster manager, and xCAT.  xCAT was by far 
the best.

Thank you for all your work, I hope that a transition can happen!

Thanks, Brian J



On 9/1/23 11:49 AM, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:
Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT maintainers for the 
past few years. This year, we have moved on to new roles unrelated to xCAT and 
can no longer continue to support the project. As a result, we plan to archive 
the project on December 1, 2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our 
final planned release.

We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
for future maintenance.

Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.






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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-29 Thread Brian Joiner
I can get Confluent to deploy a node with the firewall off, but not on.  
Does anyone know the rule that should let this through?



I have enabled all the relevant services in firewalld (with iptables 
backend) sshd, tftp, https, dhcp, etc.   I even opened ports 69, but no 
joy.




public (active)
  target: default
  icmp-block-inversion: no
  interfaces: ens192 ens224
  sources:
  services: cockpit dhcp dhcpv6-client https ssh tftp
  ports: 427/udp 1900/udp 69/tcp 69/udp 4011/tcp
  protocols:
  forward: yes
  masquerade: no
  forward-ports:
  source-ports:
  icmp-blocks:
  rich rules:




Success logs:
Sep 29 14:11:05 confluent01 systemd[1]: Stopping firewalld - dynamic 
firewall daemon...
Sep 29 14:11:06 confluent01 systemd[1]: firewalld.service: Deactivated 
successfully.
Sep 29 14:11:06 confluent01 systemd[1]: Stopped firewalld - dynamic 
firewall daemon.
Sep 29 14:11:06 confluent01 systemd[1]: firewalld.service: Consumed 
12.819s CPU time.
Sep 29 14:11:17 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPDISCOVER from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:11:18 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPOFFER on 10.13.13.103 to 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:11:19 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPREQUEST for 10.13.13.11 
(10.13.13.5) from 00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224: unknown lease 10.13.13.11.
*Sep 29 14:11:20 confluent01 in.tftpd[13121]: tftp: client does not 
accept options**
**Sep 29 14:11:20 confluent01 in.tftpd[13122]: Client :::10.13.13.11 
finished confluent/x86_64/ipxe.kkpxe*
Sep 29 14:11:22 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPDISCOVER from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:11:22 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPREQUEST for 10.13.13.11 
(10.13.13.5) from 00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224: unknown lease 10.13.13.11.
Sep 29 14:11:23 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPOFFER on 10.13.13.104 to 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224





Failed attempt:  no in.tftpd
Sep 29 14:23:00 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPDISCOVER from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:01 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPOFFER on 10.13.13.103 to 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:02 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPREQUEST for 10.13.13.11 
(10.13.13.5) from 00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224: unknown lease 10.13.13.11.
Sep 29 14:23:07 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPRELEASE of 10.13.13.11 from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224 (not found)
Sep 29 14:23:07 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPDISCOVER from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:07 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPOFFER on 10.13.13.103 to 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:11 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPREQUEST for 10.13.13.11 
(10.13.13.5) from 00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224: unknown lease 10.13.13.11.
Sep 29 14:23:19 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPRELEASE of 10.13.13.11 from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224 (not found)
Sep 29 14:23:19 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPDISCOVER from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:19 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPOFFER on 10.13.13.103 to 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:27 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPREQUEST for 10.13.13.11 
(10.13.13.5) from 00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224: unknown lease 10.13.13.11.
Sep 29 14:23:43 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPRELEASE of 10.13.13.11 from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224 (not found)
Sep 29 14:23:43 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPDISCOVER from 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224
Sep 29 14:23:43 confluent01 dhcpd[4966]: DHCPOFFER on 10.13.13.103 to 
00:0c:29:7f:c8:10 via ens224




Other than this firewall rule, the setup was fairly easy.  The next step 
will be the replacement method for postscripts.



Thanks, Brian J





On 9/21/23 8:57 AM, Brian Joiner wrote:


This is the saddest thing I've hear in some time.  I've had the chance 
to support customers with Bright, HP cluster manager, and xCAT.  xCAT 
was by far the best.



Thank you for all your work, I hope that a transition can happen!


Thanks, Brian J



On 9/1/23 11:49 AM, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:


Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT 
maintainers for the past few years. This year, we have moved on to 
new roles unrelated to xCAT and can no longer continue to support the 
project. As a result, we plan to archive the project on December 1, 
2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our final planned 
release.


We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a 
new group of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop 
a viable proposal for future maintenance.



Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.





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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-21 Thread Brian Joiner
This is the saddest thing I've hear in some time.  I've had the chance 
to support customers with Bright, HP cluster manager, and xCAT.  xCAT 
was by far the best.



Thank you for all your work, I hope that a transition can happen!


Thanks, Brian J



On 9/1/23 11:49 AM, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:


Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT 
maintainers for the past few years. This year, we have moved on to new 
roles unrelated to xCAT and can no longer continue to support the 
project. As a result, we plan to archive the project on December 1, 
2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our final planned 
release.


We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a 
new group of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop 
a viable proposal for future maintenance.



Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.





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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-05 Thread Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user
This is TBD and long term it depends on what happens with this mailing list, 
the needs of the xCAT community, and the needs of the confluent community.
In the meantime, feel free to discuss confluent on this mailing list.

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On 01/09/2023 19:49:46, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:

Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT maintainers for the 
past few years. This year, we have moved on to new roles unrelated to xCAT and 
can no longer continue to support the project. As a result, we plan to archive 
the project on December 1, 2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our 
final planned release.

We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
for future maintenance.

Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.






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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-05 Thread Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user
Hi Kurt,

Speaking for myself only, I would like to see xCAT continue on with a new set 
of maintainers. However, maintaining xCAT requires effort, and I want to make 
sure that any new team that forms to take over responsibility for the project 
has a good chance of success.

A few xCAT contributors have indicated they are interested in helping to keep 
the project going here:
https://github.com/xcat2/xcat-core/issues/7405

I have also discussed this privately with some other xCAT contributors that 
have indicated they could potentially assist the project going forward.

A viable proposal would need to include 6+ people who have been actively using, 
contributing to, or maintaining xCAT for a few years. Ideally everyone in the 
group would be using xCAT regularly in a professional capacity. Having formal 
organizational backing would be a huge asset but is not a hard requirement. 
Without formal organizational backing, everyone would presumably be supporting 
xCAT as a part time activity in addition to other responsibilities. In a 
situation where the team is mostly made up of part-time volunteers, having more 
people to share the workload would be an asset. Prior experience with 
maintaining an open-source project would also be an asset but is not a hard 
requirement. Ideally the community will recognize the members of the group from 
previous activity on the project.

As a first step, I would suggest that anyone that feels they are a good fit for 
maintaining or contributing to the project going forward and has the 
willingness and ability to dedicate time to the project should take a few 
minutes to reply with a brief introduction and a statement about how much time 
they think they can devote to project per week along with any areas of interest 
(specific operating systems, hardware configurations, or xCAT features they use 
regularly).

I can assist in the transition, but I think it will be best for the prospective 
new maintainers to self-organize and develop a process and plan for how they 
would envision running the project in the future. If a critical mass of 
prospective new maintainers is able to form, I can share information about how 
we have been handling different aspects of the project.

Areas to consider:
xcat.org website
xcat-user mailing list
xcat2 github
Issue triage
Fix, test, verify issues
New feature implementation
Community support
Release planning
Test hardware for manual and automated testing
Daily build automation
Daily test automation

Finally, while I personally would like to see the project continue, I have to 
operate within certain constraints imposed by my employment. The exact 
mechanics of how certain pieces of the project could be transitioned is still 
TBD. I will need to pitch any proposal to other interested parties at my 
employer for final approval.


From: Kurt H Maier via xCAT-user 
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 3:00 PM
To: xCAT Users Mailing list 
Cc: Kurt H Maier 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life 
planned for December 1, 2023

On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:49:46PM +, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:
> We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
> of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
> for future maintenance.

Can you describe what you'd like to see in such a proposal in order for
you to consider it viable?

Thanks,
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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-03 Thread Daniel Letai

  
  
Will this mailing list continue to serve confluent users, or is
  there another mailing list?


On 01/09/2023 19:49:46, Nathan A Besaw
  via xCAT-user wrote:


  
  
  

  

  Mark Gurevich, Peter
  Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT maintainers for
  the past few years. This year, we have moved on to new
  roles unrelated to xCAT and can no longer continue to
  support the project. As a result, we plan to archive
  the project on December 1, 2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released
  on March 7, 2023, is our final planned release.
  
  We would consider transitioning responsibility for the
  project to a new group of maintainers if members of
  the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal for
  future maintenance.


  Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+
  years.

  
  

  

  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-02 Thread Don Avart
I’m also interested in understanding what you all are looking for.  Glad to 
setup a zoom call to get more details.

Best Regards,


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> On Sep 1, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Kurt H Maier via xCAT-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:49:46PM +, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:
>> We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new 
>> group of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable 
>> proposal for future maintenance.
> 
> Can you describe what you'd like to see in such a proposal in order for
> you to consider it viable?
> 
> Thanks,
> khm
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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-01 Thread Kurt H Maier via xCAT-user
On Fri, Sep 01, 2023 at 04:49:46PM +, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user wrote:
> We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
> of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
> for future maintenance.

Can you describe what you'd like to see in such a proposal in order for
you to consider it viable?

Thanks,
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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-01 Thread Vinícius Ferrão via xCAT-user
Really sad news.

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Sep 2023, at 13:52, Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user 
 wrote:



Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT maintainers for the 
past few years. This year, we have moved on to new roles unrelated to xCAT and 
can no longer continue to support the project. As a result, we plan to archive 
the project on December 1, 2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our 
final planned release.

We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
for future maintenance.

Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.


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Re: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-01 Thread Tomer Shachaf
Wow !! its really said to read that friends .
Wish you all the best .

From: Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user 
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2023 19:50
To: xCAT Users Mailing list 
Cc: Nathan A Besaw 
Subject: [xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for 
December 1, 2023


Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT maintainers for the 
past few years. This year, we have moved on to new roles unrelated to xCAT and 
can no longer continue to support the project. As a result, we plan to archive 
the project on December 1, 2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our 
final planned release.

We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
for future maintenance.

Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.


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[xcat-user] Announcement: xCAT Project End-Of-Life planned for December 1, 2023

2023-09-01 Thread Nathan A Besaw via xCAT-user
Mark Gurevich, Peter Wong, and I have been the primary xCAT maintainers for the 
past few years. This year, we have moved on to new roles unrelated to xCAT and 
can no longer continue to support the project. As a result, we plan to archive 
the project on December 1, 2023. xCAT 2.16.5, released on March 7, 2023, is our 
final planned release.

We would consider transitioning responsibility for the project to a new group 
of maintainers if members of the xCAT community can develop a viable proposal 
for future maintenance.

Thank you all for you support of the project over the past 20+ years.


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