Re: [XeTeX] which TeX-based software

[Martin Schröder]

2018-04-26 14:20 GMT+02:00 Carrs :
> a newbie question. I would like advice on which TeX-based software it would
> be best to learn in detail for my typesetting plans. So far, I have learned
> a little TeX and a little LaTeX, but not enough of either to tell me which
> will work best for me.

Please read https://www.tug.org/levels.html

> The features I want to be able to typeset are:

Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to
highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard
to tell exactly what you're asking.

Note that https://tex.stackexchange.com/ exists.

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Re: [XeTeX] Italic and font spec 2.5c vs 2.4a

[Martin Schröder]

2017-01-24 6:55 GMT+01:00 Gildas Hamel :
> I just updated fontspec from 2.5a to 2.5c via TeX Live Utility. I cannot get 
> italic face to work. I had to revert to 2.5a. Do others see the same thing?
> —Gildas

Known problem:
https://github.com/wspr/fontspec/issues/254
http://tex.stackexchange.com/q/350008/5763

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Re: [XeTeX] Random number primitives

[Martin Schröder]

2016-11-12 22:45 GMT+01:00 Joseph Wright :
> lower-level pseudo-random number generator (I assume from C: there is
> very little actual code in the pdfTeX WEB source to implement these).

IIRC it came from MetaPost.

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Re: [XeTeX] Σχετ: Plain XeTeX, pdftitle, pdfinfo

[Martin Schröder]

2016-07-12 19:24 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor :
> If I had the time, I would (see my earlier message about incremental TeX live 
> installations);

You invest your time unwisely. You save some time by not installing
everything and
waste more of your (and our!) time by fixing problems from this
incomplete installation.
Get the DVD and install from there, if your internet is so broken.

> I thought (probably wrongly) that TeX Live "knew" about dependencies, and 
> installed the necessary support files when a package was installed ..

AFAIK it could use these dependences but these are not maintained. I
see a project you could contribute to.

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

[Martin Schröder]

2015-04-27 16:40 GMT+02:00 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com:
 Many consider that JSON will eventually replace XML.

Only if JSON gets schemes.
http://json-schema.org/ exists, but is not widely used.

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Re: [XeTeX] Problem with XeTeX 0.9999.2 and includegraphics

[Martin Schröder]

2013/4/17 Jeremy Van Cleve jeremy.vancl...@gmail.com:
 \documentclass[11pt]{article}

\usepackage[multidot]{grffile}

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Re: [XeTeX] redefining Unicode characters

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/15 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
 We don't usually make separate releases, so, unless you are welling to
 build from git[1], the answer is yes.

There's always tlcontrib. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/11 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Martin Schröder wrote:

 PS: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xetex+set+pdf+versionl=1#seen :-)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xetex+set+pdf+versionl=1

 Very useful.  Not.

Very useful. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/10 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com:
 Even in TeX Live 2012 xdvipdfmx as default produces PDF 1.5. If PDF

And how does one tell xetex to produce PDF 1.6?

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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/10 Adam Twardoch (List) list.a...@twardoch.com:
 versions. I'm not sure which is the highest version of PDF that XeTeX
 supports, but my guess it'd be 1.3 or 1.4. But that's also a popular
 practice by some print publishers. Recently I had to submit a print ad
 to a magazine, and their requirement was that it should be PDF version
 no higher than 1.4.

Apparently XeTeX is able to produce PDF 1.5, so it should also be able
to produce PDF 1.7 (there where no format changes after 1.5, so you
basically just have to change the version number).

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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/10 Martin Schröder mar...@oneiros.de:
 2013/1/10 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com:
 Even in TeX Live 2012 xdvipdfmx as default produces PDF 1.5. If PDF

 And how does one tell xetex to produce PDF 1.6?

See http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/8822/5763
and http://tex.stackexchange.com/a/8826/5763

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   Martin

PS: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xetex+set+pdf+versionl=1#seen :-)



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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/10 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 and it wass therefore a great surprise to discover that it could not
 handle a version of PDF that was specified six years ago.

Please stop wasting electrons: It is perfectly able to do that.

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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/10 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Could the spurious warning that XeTeX cannot handle PDF 1.6 please be 
 removed ?.

Yes. See my other mail. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] PDF V1.6 too recent

[Martin Schröder]

2013/1/10 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Excellent, thank you Kevin.  It is good that there are
 so many helpful people on this list.

http://tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2013-January/023983.html

See also the first hit on
https://www.google.de/search?q=xetex+**+WARNING+**+Version+of+PDF+file+%281.6%29+is+newer+than+version+limit+specification.ie=utf-8oe=utf-8

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Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] PDF/X-1a preflight and xetex/xdvipdfmx

[Martin Schröder]

2012/12/11  dgatw...@mac.com:
 I'm trying to generate PDF/X-1a2001 spec-compliant PDF files with
 xetex/xdvipdfmx (xdvipdfmx-0.7.8 from TeXLive 2012), and I'm running into
 one small bug that I can't find a good way to work around.  The xdvipdfmx
 backend seems to be omitting the /ID field in the PDF trailer.

 For spec conformance, if I understand correctly, this should contain an
 array of two MD5 hashes of the body of the document, not including the
 trailer (presumably both containing the same value, given that it is a newly
 created file).  That said, I'm not sure how important the specific value is,
 so long as it is reasonably unique.

First: This is not a TeXLive issue, but is better discussed at the
XeTeX mailing list.

Second: Your understanding is wrong: The /ID just has to be unique.
The spec says: The value of this entry shall be an array of two byte
strings. The first byte string shall be a permanent identifier based
on the contents of the file at the time it was originally created and
shall not change when the file is incrementally updated. The second
byte string shall be a changing identifier based on the file’s
contents at the time it was last updated.

And yes, they SHOULD be computed via MD5 etc., but don't HAVE to.
Using e.g. the time of day is perfectly allowed.

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   Martin (who wrote the code for /ID for pdfTeX, which is still used
   in LuaTeX)



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Re: [XeTeX] horizontal alignment

[Martin Schröder]

2012/11/20 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Absolutely.  All because TeX does not (sadly) have two reference
 points for a box.  For this reason in real life situations I use

That's why LaTeX3 has coffins. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/8 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de:
 Two years ago I would have said this too. But now I doubt it.
 Opentype fonts are much more complicated that some expandafters or
 the latex output routine. Also - more importantly - I see none of
 the needed discussion going on.

That discussion is not helped by discussing *LuaTeX* issues
on a *XeTeX* mailing list.

OTOH the upcoming EuroTeX conference will be an excellent
place for that discussion.

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/6 Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com:
 The fontspec package is already available in lualatex.

It needs luaotfload, which is currently unmaintained.

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/2 Peter Dyballa peter_dyba...@web.de:
 XeTeX has been patched to enable micro-typography in TeX Live 2009. To make 
 use of it you need the microtype package v2.5, beta (microtype-xetex.def). 
 This came with TeX Live 2010.

AFAIK only protusion. I doubt that expansion is possible with XeTeX.

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/1 Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:
 As has been mentioned the source and programming rational behind
 LuaTeX is not documented, at least not publically. Even if one would
 do the programming their is no guarantee that the code will be used or
 allowed.

There have been numerous papers and talks by the team.
Patches are always welcome.

Everybody is free to take the code and fork the project.

EOD: This is not the place for discussions about LuaTeX.

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/1 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 If I /were/ to propose a replacement language, I would strongly
 advocate JavaScript, which has almost universal uptake, adoption
 and acceptance.  From a purely personal perspective, I would also

When LuaTeX started I also toyed with the idea and had a look at
JavaScript interpreters - they where much larger. And JS isn't
designed for embedding (and IMHO Lua is a much cleaner language).

Go ahead, build JSTeX. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/1 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Martin Schröder wrote:
 When LuaTeX started I also toyed with the idea and had a look at
 JavaScript interpreters - they were much larger.

 Large enough to have any significant impact on a modern machine,
 which one might reasonably expect to have 4Gb of RAM ?  Size
 mattered when Don wrote TeX; these days it is far far far less
 of an issue.

Probably not. IIRC the binaries where around 75 KB (Lua) and
750 KB(JS). Compare this with 1 MB for a recent Knuthian TeX
binary (on Linux) and 2 MB for pdfTeX.

JS was simply a behemoth to pull in compared to Lua.

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/8/1 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Well, you could always write your own JavaScript interpreter
 in Lua and get the best of both worlds :-)

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10259842/would-it-make-sense-to-run-javascript-on-the-lua-vm

We are all very eagerly awaiting your contributions.

I seem to remember a Java reimplementation of TeX managed by you...


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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

 For very good reason! \pdfminorversion is not only some monadic number, 
 it's also a guarantee that this document conforms to a particular standard.

Not really. In pdfTeX the version enables certain features (object
streams, png inclusion).
But no guarantee is made for included pdfs: At most you will get a
warning in stderr
(if you include a higher pdf version than the main document).

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Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2012/7/30 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 case.  But differences at the syntactic level are a far greater
 concern : I think one should accept that if one passes an extant
 XeTeX source through LuaTeX, line and page breaks may well differ,
 but if LuaTeX barfs on valid XeTeX source, that is (for me, at
 least) a far greater concern (and a reason against adoption, to
 be honest).

That's why you should use ConTeXt or LaTeX, which will isolate your
document from differences in the engine.

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Re: [XeTeX] xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool

[Martin Schröder]

2012/7/9 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de:
 I just saw that TexLive 2012 contains some instructions to
 upgrade. And while it is obviously not recommended to do it the
 text contains a lot informations about possible sources of
 interference problems:

This procedure is not bullet-proof, or especially recommended;
consider it provided as-is, to be used at your own risk. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool

[Martin Schröder]

2012/7/8 Gareth Hughes garzoh...@gmail.com:
 I just updated to TeX Live 2012 on Ubuntu, but XeLaTeX now fails with
 the message xelatex.fmt doesn't match xetex.pool. I'm sure there's an
 easy way of fixing this. Ang suggestions?

fmtutil --refresh --byengine xetex

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Re: [XeTeX] Help with XeTeX/ConTeXT and CTL

[Martin Schröder]

2012/6/26 Khaled Hosny khaledho...@eglug.org:
 XeTeX is still using the old (and more fragile) Graphite engine,
 LibreOffice switched to the new (and more robust) one AKA graphite2. So
 the segmentation fault is likely from the Graphite engine, so you may
 try reporting it to SIL people (but sadly, that won't help you
 immediately).

JK has long left SIL, so I doubt that SIL can help you there. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] Minimalist TeX?

[Martin Schröder]

2012/5/17 C Y smustude...@yahoo.com:
 From: Joseph Wright joseph.wri...@morningstar2.co.uk

 Oh yes, license and library issues: I forgot :-)

 Does KerTeX have license issues?  (XeTeX being MIT instead of GPL was one of 
 the things that drew me to it, actually...)

XeTeX is not MIT but GPL. It uses a GPL library (poppler), so...
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3304292group_id=194926atid=951385

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Re: [XeTeX] Babel

[Martin Schröder]

2012/5/4 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com:
 No! The problem is that people should start saying that certain parts
 of the old TeX world are irrelevant and so they should not be part
 of any TeX distribution. For example, on a set of recently compiled

You don't understand the idea of TeX/LaTeX: A stable system that can
be used ad eternam.

 The question is: why keeping the tex binary when the pdftex binary can

Because DEK uses his TeX, not Thanh's pdfTeX.

 do the same things? If you throw away the tex binary, then you can
 get rid of most useless binaries that manipulate DVI files.

These are _not_ useless for a certain someone in Stanford.

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Re: [XeTeX] Babel

[Martin Schröder]

2012/5/3 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com:
 Then use them, but please do not ask for updates! People should not
 waste their precious time with outdated tools and packages.

Babel is the LaTeX standard for multilingual texts. Until something
else takes it's place, it must be maintained.

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Re: [XeTeX] Multiple column colors

[Martin Schröder]

2012/2/20 Stephan step...@theched.org:
 For example, this code (http://pastebin.com/U7B4mjic) works well under
 pdfLatex (one column
 turns out blue, the other red), while in XeLaTeX, the colors are mixed

AFAIK pdfparcolumns works only with pdfTeX.

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX does not define the \XeTeX macro.

[Martin Schröder]

2011/12/21 Philip TAYLOR p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 The following code fragment, from plain XeTeX source,
 results in an undefined control sequence : \XeTeX
 message.  Where is \XeTeX canonically defined, please ?

Nowhere.

Even tugboat doesn't do it in plain:
%  the Xe\TeX logo requires Eplain, which is not assumed here, so
%  the definition is omitted.

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   Martin

PS: The LuaTeX logo is also not available automatically in luatex.



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Re: [XeTeX] Suggestion for xelatex.ini (enlarging math families from 16 to 256)

[Martin Schröder]

2011/11/23 Vafa Khalighi vafa...@gmail.com:
 Since XeTeX allows you to have 256 math families instead 16, I was wondering
 if this could be done in xelatex.ini. The required changes are:

IMHO this should be done by LaTeX proper, not as a local modification.

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Re: [XeTeX] Synching PDF paper size with typesetting size

[Martin Schröder]

2011/11/5 Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca:
 Typesets fine... But the output PDF is still letter size--slightly annoying 
 in terms of visual impressions. Is there a way to get tell the system to 
 adjust the PDF output size to match? Either within the TeX source or as an 
 option at typeset time (in this case, done through TeXShop with XeLaTeX)?

\usepackage{geometry}

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Re: [XeTeX] Synching PDF paper size with typesetting size

[Martin Schröder]

2011/11/5 Karljurgen Feuerherm kfeuerh...@wlu.ca:
 I was using that, switched to Memoir. Surely there must be another way?

geometry doesn't work with Memoir?

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Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

[Martin Schröder]

2011/10/21 Chris Travers chris.trav...@gmail.com:
 If TexLive had been around in 2002 and was statically linking to zlib,
 it would have been affected too.

It was and it was and it was. :-(

So it was till we dropped libtiff from pdfTeX and till we dropped xpdf
from XeTeX and LuaTeX (pdfTeX still uses it).

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Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia broken?

[Martin Schröder]

2011/10/2 Alan Munn am...@gmx.com:
 Well I don't think Philipp has commit privileges, and CTAN isn't happy about 
 random (even highly trusted) people uploading new versions of packages that 
 are still officially maintained.

Which seems to boil down to the original problem:
polyglossia seems to need a new maintainer.

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Re: [XeTeX] HELP! ** ERROR ** Page number 65536l too large!

[Martin Schröder]

2011/9/29 Jonathan Kew jfkth...@googlemail.com:
 Clearly Knuth didn't think there was any need for such large numbers
 of pages in a single file.

See TeX error #913:
* 28 December 1990
R913. Avoid range check when there are 65536 or more pages (Eberhard Mattes).

 It's possible (though I haven't tried) that pdftex in PDF output
 mode would be able to generate more pages, as this avoids the DVI
 path altogether.

pdfTeX and luaTeX shouldn't have any problems up to some millions of
pages; PDF is limited to 8m pages (number of indirect objects) with
32 bit readers.

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Re: [XeTeX] Change in Polyglossia?

[Martin Schröder]

2011/9/21 Herbert Schulz he...@wideopenwest.com:
 Oh my… this has come up today so many times on so many lists it's maddening.

:-)

See also https://github.com/fc7/polyglossia/issues/27

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Re: [XeTeX] Dinosaurs

[Martin Schröder]

2011/9/12 Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com:
 Ok, I'll contribute to this one. I learned programming on a IBM clone --a 
 clone of an IBM 1620 at Oregon State University in 1960.
 We wrote a few programs and then were told about a fabulous new tool called 
 SOAP, the symbolic optimum assembly program. No more memorizing the numbers 
 of machine instructions! The optimization part was that not only would it 
 assemble your program but it would put each instruction on the right part of 
 the drum so that it would be under the read head when the previous 
 instruction had executed. Slick!

 All input was on paper tape. The equivalent of the delete key, as I recall, 
 was opaque tape that you could stick on the paper tape.

Miranda beat you all: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20091201 :-)

I'm fascinated by this discussion on _this_ list (Unicode-based TeX
for Mac OS X and other platforms :)

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Re: [XeTeX] Loading fonts from a common server or http URL

[Martin Schröder]

2011/6/22  msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca:
 On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
       2) A program can open any/retrieve any file on a server
            using http. all it needs to do is speak http!

 While we're at it, let's add a spelling checker, SQL database backend, and
 multilingual thesaurus to TeX.  Also a Space Invaders mini-game that you
 can play while you wait for your document to compile.  And let's make all
 these things work identically on all platforms, of course.

I just came across this: http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/ :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

[Martin Schröder]

2011/6/19 Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 What is a kill file ?  Another platform-specific feature, I suppose !

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kill+filel=1



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Re: [XeTeX] tif inclusion

[Martin Schröder]

2011/6/6 Vadim Radionov vadim.radio...@gmail.com:
 Is it possible to include tif images with xelatex and graphics.sty ?  I

No. Convert to png, jpeg or pdf.

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[XeTeX] [fontspec] outline fonts?

[Martin Schröder]

Hi,
is there a way to switch a font to outline rendering with OTF/fontspec?

I know I can hack this in PDF, but a fontspec feature would be nicer. :-)

Thanks in advance
   Martin


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Re: [XeTeX] [luatex] [fontspec] outline fonts?

[Martin Schröder]

2011/5/11 Heiko Oberdiek heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com:
 Without fontspec, see package `pdfrender'.

\pdfrender{TextRenderingMode=Stroke,LineWidth=1pt}

:-)))

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Re: [XeTeX] [texhax] Throughput

[Martin Schröder]

2011/3/3 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 No, but as you have yourself suggested two possible causes,

Please stop jumping to conclusions and switching to other mailing lists.

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Re: [XeTeX] preventing hyphenation

[Martin Schröder]

2011/2/19 Mike Maxwell maxw...@umiacs.umd.edu:
 In a grammar we're writing, the gloss of a word xowunʣāy gets hyphenated
 immediately after the 'x'.  I thought I could prevent this by adding the

You could also set \lefthyphenmin to a value greater than 1 for the language...

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX, fontspec, OTF, and fontdimens

[Martin Schröder]

2011/2/19  msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca:
 it goes.  The problem is that XeTeX also adds stretchability and
 shrinkability to the word space, which is an inappropriate thing to do
 when the font is monospace, and there doesn't seem to be a way to remove
 the stretchability and shrinkability in a way that will survive the LaTeX
 font-size commands.

Methinks the ragged2e package offers a solution.

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX, fontspec, OTF, and fontdimens

[Martin Schröder]

2011/2/19 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 Martin Schröder wrote:
 Methinks the ragged2e package offers a solution.

 And if one wants full justification as well as monospaced spaces
 with a monospaced font ?

untested:
\usepackage{ragged2e}
...
\justifying
foo bar\par
\RaggedRight
foo bar\par

 ** Phil.

Why do you ask anyway? Since when are you using LaTeX?

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Re: [XeTeX] Protecting pdfpages \includepdf against broken PDF

[Martin Schröder]

2011/1/17 Jérôme Etévé jerome.et...@gmail.com:
 @Martin: Tried qpdf, but it suffers from an infinite loop on invalid
 xref tables :( Acrobat et.al is not an option for me at the moment.

Please contact the author of qpdf; it should not go into an infinite loop.

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Re: [XeTeX] fontspec: Unknown feature `' in font `TeX Gyre Heros'.

[Martin Schröder]

2010/12/22 Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au:
 ;;
 causes an empty feature request.

So it's an error in fontspec?

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Re: [XeTeX] fontspec: Unknown feature `' in font `TeX Gyre Heros'.

[Martin Schröder]

2010/12/22 Ross Moore ross.mo...@mq.edu.au:
 Writing a message to warn the user of their sloppiness is quite
 a reasonable action, in my opinion. This is done a lot in TeX

What's wrong with my input?

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Re: [XeTeX] Greek XeLaTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2010/10/12 Alexandros Gotsis got...@science.tuc.gr:
 1. I could replace almost all commands of (Xe)LaTeX, but I can do nothing 
 with the very first one: \documentclass{}! Is there a way to change the name 
 of this command so that the XeLaTeX engine still understands it? I am looking 
 for solutions that will not include any extra (latin) text in the source 
 file, as this would defy the purpose.

Yes and no. You would have to produce a modified LaTeX format, which
must be renamed (see modguide), and so the command using that format
cant't be named XeLaTeX anymore.

   O, that way madness lies; let me shun that;
   No more of that.

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Re: [XeTeX] Greek XeLaTeX

[Martin Schröder]

2010/10/12 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com:
 Well, of course that would be a χελατεχ format  then ...  :)

  It should be ζιλατεχ or even ξιλατεχ...

But that seems to be monotonic. Shouldn't it be polytonic? :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] arabxetex vs. xepersian

[Martin Schröder]

2010/10/3 Paul Isambert zappathus...@free.fr:
 Persian is an English pronunciation, Farsi an Arabic one. Both derive
 from the same word. I can't see why one is fake and not the other. Like
 saying the real name of French is Französich, for some reason having to do
 with German phonetics...

I trust Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_language#Nomenclature

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

[Martin Schröder]

2010/9/26 Axel Kielhorn a.kielh...@web.de:
 Contributions are welcome, but please note that lshort is written in latin1 
 and it will be difficult to show anything outside the latin range.

Then it should be converted into utf8 first. This is 2010, not 1995. :-)

Maybe it would be easier to write an xlshort, which simply assumes to
use utf8 and can compose special characters (including unicode math :).

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

[Martin Schröder]

2010/9/26 Philipp Stephani st_phil...@yahoo.de:
 Am 26.09.2010 um 15:56 schrieb Axel Kielhorn:

 Is the compose feature you mention the same as dead keys?

 No. Compose is a key available only from the X Window System. After hitting 
 Compose (it is not a modifier key), you can enter a known key

KDE and Gnome have input methods for direct input of any unicode character:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input

I haven't found anything like that for xterm yet, though. :-(

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[XeTeX] build-problems on OpenSUSE 11.2

[Martin Schröder]

Hi,
build-xetex.sh in trunk breaks on OpenSUSE 11.2 on amd64:

g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c -I./..
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/texk
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk -DNO_DEBUG
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/..
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/xetexdir
-DU_STATIC_IMPLEMENTATION
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include `cat
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/freetype2/ft-includes`
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/teckit/include
-DXETEX_OTHER -DPDF_PARSER_ONLY
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/xpdf
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/xpdf/goo
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/xpdf/xpdf
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/libpng/include
-DXETEX_GRAPHITE
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/graphite/include
-I/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/zlib/include   -g -O2 -MT
libxetex_a-FontTableCache.o -MD -MP -MF
.deps/libxetex_a-FontTableCache.Tpo -c -o libxetex_a-FontTableCache.o
`test -f 'xetexdir/FontTableCache.cpp' || echo
'/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/'`xetexdir/FontTableCache.cpp
In file included from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/unicode/utypes.h:36,
 from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/layout/LETypes.h:14,
 from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/xetexdir/FontTableCache.cpp:42:
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/unicode/umachine.h:314:
error: ‘char16_t’ does not name a type
In file included from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/unicode/utypes.h:38,
 from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/layout/LETypes.h:14,
 from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/xetexdir/FontTableCache.cpp:42:
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/unicode/uversion.h:167:
error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘UChar’ with no type
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/unicode/uversion.h:167:
error: expected ‘,’ or ‘...’ before ‘*’ token
In file included from
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/texk/web2c/xetexdir/FontTableCache.cpp:42:
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/layout/LETypes.h:223:
error: ‘UChar’ does not name a type
/home/ms/tex/xetex/TRUNK/build-xetex/libs/icu/include/layout/LETypes.h:237:
error: ‘UChar’ does not name a type
make: *** [libxetex_a-FontTableCache.o] Fehler 1

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Re: [XeTeX] XeTeXpdffile media box etc

[Martin Schröder]

2010/9/9 Heiko Oberdiek heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com:
 s/pdfpageattr(s)/pdfpage(s)attr/

Avoid \pdfpagesattr. The PDF specification now recommends setting the
keys on every page.

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Re: [XeTeX] Checking if a font exists

[Martin Schröder]

2010/8/30 Heiko Oberdiek heiko.oberd...@googlemail.com:
 What kind of philosophy? An error as part of normal behaviour? ;-)

If you want to know if XeTeX knows a font you should ask XeTeX and not
fontcache. If that's hard, XeTeX should be improved.

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Re: [XeTeX] embedding fonts

[Martin Schröder]

2010/8/28 Herbert Schulz he...@wideopenwest.com:
 Hmmm... I wonder how many font licenses this requirement violates?

Font licenses don't work.

Customer of us tried to get from a major font vendor a server license
for a font (i.e. license for a server that generates pdf from xml).
Obviously there's only one machine involved, but also rather obviously
it isn't really a single user environment... - the vendor wasn't able
to handle this case and in the end they took the normal license (n
installations on m machines).

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Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] TeXLive Pretest - XeTeX segfaults on LInux 64

[Martin Schröder]

2010/7/12 Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard m...@elzevir.fr:
 so I think his answer is that it is *not* doable to ship 32 bit XeTeX on
 LinUX64, since the user would need a 32-bit version of the dynamically linked
 libraries.

Which is the norm on OpenSUSE. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] experimental new xetex version - with margin-kerning support

[Martin Schröder]

2010/5/3 Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com:
 Now that that has sunk in ;-) can I ask about the other feature of
 PDFTeX, namely the ability to improve line breaking by (to my eye)
 undetectable changes in the font size for a paragraph? Is there any plan
 to port this to XeTeX?

IMHO that will be much harder, since XeTeX is a two-pass machine (.tex
- xdv - pdf) compared to the one-pass approach of pdfTeX which IMHO
is essential for microtypgraphy.

But if certainly would help if there would be funding. :-)

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Re: [XeTeX] building XeTeX fails

[Martin Schröder]

2010/5/2 Jonathan Kew jfkth...@googlemail.com:
 I'm afraid I don't know anything about this; I believe Thanh has been 
 building (from the microtype branch in the xetex repository) on Linux, but I 
 haven't tried this myself yet.

I can confirm that TRUNK builds on 10.3/amd64.
But I also have a working TeX installation, which Mojca's build system
is missing.

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Re: [XeTeX] Word wrapping in Lao

[Martin Schröder]

2010/4/21 Sam Putman atmanis...@gmail.com:
 This document had some interesting contributions to this discussion:

 http://www.unifont.org/textlayout/TheBigPicture.pdf

 In short, there are other people interested in solving this problem to
 provide proper internationalization in the major FLOSS applications.

Thanks for the pointer. It seems to completely ignore the TeX world... :-(

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Re: [XeTeX] Word wrapping in Lao

[Martin Schröder]

2010/4/17 Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk:
 No, sorry Martin : probably not as famous as either
 of them, but fairly popular with Universities and
 such like ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Technology_Limited

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