Re: [XFree86] Keyboard configuration for Alt chars
On Thursday 11 September 2003 12:18, Ph Legay wrote:
Frank Murphy wrote:
On Friday 05 September 2003 12:56, Ph Legay wrote:
Well, the modifier that it sees is Alt_L. You want it to see Mode_shift.
You can cause this to happen by putting this into your .Xmodmap file:
keysym Alt_L = Mode_switch
Then run `xmodmap .Xmodmap` and the left alt key should generate
Mode_switch and you can get your characters.
OK, Thanks. You have rights. Everty thing is perfect.
Great! Glad to hear that it works.
Just to be a little less dummy, Is there a way to say to X keyboard
that Alt_L = Mode_switch in the configuration file. In other words
where are the modifiers defined ? in one file or in several files ?
I assume that you mean in the system Xkb configuration files. On Debian,
they're in /etc/X11/xkb/, but I think the default is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb.
Under symbols, there are the files that define how X maps keycodes to
keysyms. In these files, you'll see lines like this:
key RALT {[ Mode_switch, Multi_key ] };
They define how to get Mode_switch.
Frank
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Re: [XFree86] Keyboard configuration for Alt chars
Frank Murphy wrote: On Friday 05 September 2003 12:56, Ph Legay wrote: Well, the modifier that it sees is Alt_L. You want it to see Mode_shift. You can cause this to happen by putting this into your .Xmodmap file: keysym Alt_L = Mode_switch Then run `xmodmap .Xmodmap` and the left alt key should generate Mode_switch and you can get your characters. OK, Thanks. You have rights. Everty thing is perfect. Just to be a little less dummy, Is there a way to say to X keyboard that Alt_L = Mode_switch in the configuration file. In other words where are the modifiers defined ? in one file or in several files ? Thanks, PHL ___ XFree86 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/xfree86
Re: [XFree86] Keyboard configuration for Alt chars
Frank Murphy wrote:
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 2:52, Ph Legay wrote:
I have installed the mandrake 9.1 on my Macintosh (Of course this
distribtion has a XFREE 4.3 environment).
But I have no # { [ | \ with my keyboard. In a tty console (CTL+ALT+F1),
I succeed to modify my keyboard configuration, But nothing with the X
Keyboard.
The keyboard maps for the different consoles (ctrl+alt+F1, +F2, etc) are
different from the keyboard maps for X. I don't know about Mandrake, but for
Debian, the console keymaps are stored in /usr/share/keymaps and the
configured keymap is stored in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz.
I agree, I discovered that
For X, there are two ways to configure keymaps, Xkb and the legacy core Xlib.
XFree86 4.3 defaults to Xkb, so I'll assume that's what you are trying to
configure.
The Xkb files are kept in either /etc/X11/xkb or /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb.
However, xmodmap does things with a different syntax to Xkb.
I agree, I discovered that
I try a lot of things (create my own rule, so no keyboard, CTL+ALT does
not work, ...), but it seems to difficult for me, without any tutorial.
I can access to the Xkeyboard protocol PDF file.
So today I have a keyboard, I can modify the mapping of the key 5 : ( +
5 to a + 5, but no braceleft char.
I assume by this that your keyboard has a key that is engraved with a '5', a
'+', a '(', and a ':' -- is this true? It seems from what you say below that
the key has a '5', a '(', a '[', and a '{'.
Not exactly. The orignal mapping of the ( + 5 engraved key is ( or
5 (when shift is pressed). I modify (for test) the ( + 5 engraved
key to a or 5.
Questions
-
a) Is there a tutorial to understand the rule file ?
The best place to understand all the Xkb files is normally at
www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/html/ but it seems to be down a lot recently.
I agree, it is down
b) Is there a tutorial to build a keyboard mapping ?
No. Do you want to build an Xkb key symbol file, or an .Xmodmap file?
The one I anderstand and that works?
c) In my symbol file, there is key = ( 5 braceleft braketleft. Why
can not obtain the braceleft char ? I kown (I see by typping) that the
first column is for normal char, the second column is for the shift
char. What for are the third and the fourth column ? In other word,
whare is the modifier order ?
What file do you see this line? For Xkb, I would expect to see:
key AE05 { [ 5, parenleft, braceleft, bracketleft ] };
It is in the /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/macinstosh/macintosh
xkb_symbols extended {
name[Group1]= FR-1;
// Alphanumeric section
// PATCH !!
//key AE05 {[ parenleft,5 ],
// [ braceleft,bracketleft ] };
key AE05 { [ a,5 ],
[ braceleft,bracketleft ] };
In this case, '5' is a simple press, '(' is Shift+5, '{' is
ISO_Level3_Shift+5, and '[' is Shift+ISO_Level3_Shift+5.
Where is ISO_Level3_Shift defined ? Or is the key sequence ?
However, in Xfree86 4.2 (and similar to xmodmap) the following happens:
key AE05 { [ 5, parenleft ], [ braceleft, bracketleft ] };
In this case, 5' is a simple press, '(' is Shift+5, '{' is
Mode_level+5, and '[' is Shift+Mode_level+5.
Confused? It's confusing. What has probably happened is that your AltGr key
(which often gets the third char) is configured to Mode_shift, but XFree86
4.3 expects ISO_Level3_Shift to be used.
Perhaps, how to check this ? how to try our suggestion ?
When I solve my keyboard tty problem, I read a document that explain
each column. The keyboard mapping is an array the first char is for
normal char, the second for shift char, ... and if you want a char in
the last column, you can introduce voidsymbol for the useless column.
When it's back online, the above Xkb doc explains these.
d) how to active the third and the fourth column for each char ?
See above explaination.
e) Can I create new modifers ? (I try an xkbcomp does not like)
You can't invent a new Legays_special_modifier symbol. You can use the Super
and Hyper symbols to do what you want.
I have treid this, wihtout suceed.
f) Is the order of modifiers fixed ?
Sometimes. In order to get the 3rd engraved symbol, yes, you can use only the
proper one. Otherwise, I'm not sure I understand.
g) My distribution has no xev ? Where can I found it ? (I want to check
if the modifiers are generated)
I imagine mandrake has it in a package on the CD. Ask at one of the Mandrake
forums.
It is in the X86-contrib RPM.
h) I read that there is some graphical interface for xmodmap ? Do you
know it ? Where can I find it ?
What you're probably talking about is xkeycaps. You can get source here:
http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/
I'm sure Mandrake has a package.
i) Is there a tutorial of xmodmap ?
Only `man xmodmap`.
j) Where are the x-doc.org files ? where is http://www.tsu.ru/~pascal/en/ ?
I don't understand what you
[XFree86] Keyboard configuration for Alt chars
Hello,
I have installed the mandrake 9.1 on my Macintosh (Of course this
distribtion has a XFREE 4.3 environment).
But I have no # { [ | \ with my keyboard. In a tty console (CTL+ALT+F1),
I succeed to modify my keyboard configuration, But nothing with the X
Keyboard.
I try a lot of things (create my own rule, so no keyboard, CTL+ALT does
not work, ...), but it seems to difficult for me, without any tutorial.
I can access to the Xkeyboard protocol PDF file.
So today I have a keyboard, I can modify the mapping of the key 5 : ( +
5 to a + 5, but no braceleft char.
Questions
-
a) Is there a tutorial to understand the rule file ?
b) Is there a tutorial to build a keyboard mapping ?
c) In my symbol file, there is key = ( 5 braceleft braketleft. Why
can not obtain the braceleft char ? I kown (I see by typping) that the
first column is for normal char, the second column is for the shift
char. What for are the third and the fourth column ? In other word,
whare is the modifier order ?
When I solve my keyboard tty problem, I read a document that explain
each column. The keyboard mapping is an array the first char is for
normal char, the second for shift char, ... and if you want a char in
the last column, you can introduce voidsymbol for the useless column.
d) how to active the third and the fourth column for each char ?
e) Can I create new modifers ? (I try an xkbcomp does not like)
f) Is the order of modifiers fixed ?
g) My distribution has no xev ? Where can I found it ? (I want to check
if the modifiers are generated)
h) I read that there is some graphical interface for xmodmap ? Do you
know it ? Where can I find it ?
i) Is there a tutorial of xmodmap ?
j) Where are the x-doc.org files ? where is http://www.tsu.ru/~pascal/en/ ?
Notice :
Macintosh mouse is a single button, so F11 and F12 keys are used to
emulated a 3 button mouse. Perhaps this mechanism brakes the alt
modifier of my keyboard ? How can I chack this idea ?
Thanks
PHL.
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Re: [XFree86] Keyboard configuration for Alt chars
On Tuesday 02 September 2003 2:52, Ph Legay wrote:
I have installed the mandrake 9.1 on my Macintosh (Of course this
distribtion has a XFREE 4.3 environment).
But I have no # { [ | \ with my keyboard. In a tty console (CTL+ALT+F1),
I succeed to modify my keyboard configuration, But nothing with the X
Keyboard.
The keyboard maps for the different consoles (ctrl+alt+F1, +F2, etc) are
different from the keyboard maps for X. I don't know about Mandrake, but for
Debian, the console keymaps are stored in /usr/share/keymaps and the
configured keymap is stored in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz.
For X, there are two ways to configure keymaps, Xkb and the legacy core Xlib.
XFree86 4.3 defaults to Xkb, so I'll assume that's what you are trying to
configure.
The Xkb files are kept in either /etc/X11/xkb or /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb.
However, xmodmap does things with a different syntax to Xkb.
I try a lot of things (create my own rule, so no keyboard, CTL+ALT does
not work, ...), but it seems to difficult for me, without any tutorial.
I can access to the Xkeyboard protocol PDF file.
So today I have a keyboard, I can modify the mapping of the key 5 : ( +
5 to a + 5, but no braceleft char.
I assume by this that your keyboard has a key that is engraved with a '5', a
'+', a '(', and a ':' -- is this true? It seems from what you say below that
the key has a '5', a '(', a '[', and a '{'.
Questions
-
a) Is there a tutorial to understand the rule file ?
The best place to understand all the Xkb files is normally at
www.charvolant.org/~doug/xkb/html/ but it seems to be down a lot recently.
b) Is there a tutorial to build a keyboard mapping ?
No. Do you want to build an Xkb key symbol file, or an .Xmodmap file?
c) In my symbol file, there is key = ( 5 braceleft braketleft. Why
can not obtain the braceleft char ? I kown (I see by typping) that the
first column is for normal char, the second column is for the shift
char. What for are the third and the fourth column ? In other word,
whare is the modifier order ?
What file do you see this line? For Xkb, I would expect to see:
key AE05 { [ 5, parenleft, braceleft, bracketleft ] };
In this case, '5' is a simple press, '(' is Shift+5, '{' is
ISO_Level3_Shift+5, and '[' is Shift+ISO_Level3_Shift+5.
However, in Xfree86 4.2 (and similar to xmodmap) the following happens:
key AE05 { [ 5, parenleft ], [ braceleft, bracketleft ] };
In this case, 5' is a simple press, '(' is Shift+5, '{' is
Mode_level+5, and '[' is Shift+Mode_level+5.
Confused? It's confusing. What has probably happened is that your AltGr key
(which often gets the third char) is configured to Mode_shift, but XFree86
4.3 expects ISO_Level3_Shift to be used.
When I solve my keyboard tty problem, I read a document that explain
each column. The keyboard mapping is an array the first char is for
normal char, the second for shift char, ... and if you want a char in
the last column, you can introduce voidsymbol for the useless column.
When it's back online, the above Xkb doc explains these.
d) how to active the third and the fourth column for each char ?
See above explaination.
e) Can I create new modifers ? (I try an xkbcomp does not like)
You can't invent a new Legays_special_modifier symbol. You can use the Super
and Hyper symbols to do what you want.
f) Is the order of modifiers fixed ?
Sometimes. In order to get the 3rd engraved symbol, yes, you can use only the
proper one. Otherwise, I'm not sure I understand.
g) My distribution has no xev ? Where can I found it ? (I want to check
if the modifiers are generated)
I imagine mandrake has it in a package on the CD. Ask at one of the Mandrake
forums.
h) I read that there is some graphical interface for xmodmap ? Do you
know it ? Where can I find it ?
What you're probably talking about is xkeycaps. You can get source here:
http://www.jwz.org/xkeycaps/
I'm sure Mandrake has a package.
i) Is there a tutorial of xmodmap ?
Only `man xmodmap`.
j) Where are the x-doc.org files ? where is http://www.tsu.ru/~pascal/en/ ?
I don't understand what you mean here.
Notice :
Macintosh mouse is a single button, so F11 and F12 keys are used to
emulated a 3 button mouse. Perhaps this mechanism brakes the alt
modifier of my keyboard ? How can I chack this idea ?
I really doubt that this is the problem, but I'm not sure how to check this
idea.
Frank
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