Re: Respository vandalism by r...@...fd.o
Hi, Dave, thanks for the Cc. I've Cc-ed this to freedesktop@, since it's really a bit more of a project-wide discussion than just xorg, but feel free to keep both in Cc. ]] Frans de Boer | Also, if it turns out to be a validated claim Adam made, accept it as | is and continue. Hopefully Adam has learned his lesson. But also | Freedesktop.org should have it's act together. Do check the access | rights and allow only trusted persons root access. Hopefully Adam was | NOT one of them they trusted explicitly and he has only access due to | historical reasons. People are people and sometimes do stupid things and things the reret. What Adam did was stupid and wrong, but it was also out of character for him. There was no reason whatsoever not to let him have root access before. ]] Dave Airlie | Yes, and not sure about the rest. Freedesktop isn't some sort of paid | organisation here, you have a group of volunteers running some | machines tied together with a lot of bailing twine. It only recently | through the good graces of Collabora that fd.o got some paid | administration time directed at it at all (Tollef). Like we could | migrate all the stuff to machines that X.org control but we'd end up | with the same problems + another set of problems. The main problem fdo is facing on the admin side those days is a lack of resources more than anything, and we don't want to trust completely random people to have root. Those we trust enough to have root are usually quite busy already. That said, I'm hoping to make the admin burden slightly lighter by doing two things. Please note that these are my ideas, they're not set in stone and while I think I have the consensus of the rest of the active fdo admins, nothing has formally been decided yet. - Kick out inactive admins and bring new ones on board. I'm not going to take away root from anybody who uses it and needs it, but for people who just have root for historical reasons and haven't done anything with it for months or years, I'd like to remove it. - Split account administration and root. We already use ud-ldap and we do have one account admin that's not root, so this is already feasible, and if some of the existing root users basically only do account management, I'd like to move those people off root and just get them account management rights. Over time, I'm slightly hoping we can split this even further out so trusted people can do git repository management for their own project without having to involve an admin for the easy regular tasks. If anybody wants to be involved in this (and over time, more involved in fdo admin work), I'd love to get help, particularly with moving towards some of the ideas in http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2010-03-27-15-55_why_you_should_publish_your_infrastructure | Adam still does a lot of a/c maintenance for X.org and other projects, | these will now be have to be done by part-time admin which means even | longer delays on new a/cs. There is a major fd.o overhaul in the works | and maybe Tollef can provide some insight into it when he has time. Some of the items are listed above, in addition we're in the middle of acquiring new machines which should allow things like better spam filtering and generally better performance. Regards, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: matts...@gmail.com None
]] "Justin P. Mattock" | I'm getting something from sourceforge (not sure if this is a bounce | test or not) Yup, they were the responsible party and have been unsubscribed. You probably just responded while my subject-rewriting modification was in use. Now, can we please kill this discussion? :-) -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
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]] Scott Sibley | I'm not sure why I'm spamming the list. Know how I can fix this? I | checked Gmail's settings; nothing's being forwarded through Gmail. You are/were not, even if your address appears in the Subject field, see below for the longer explanation. | What do you mean by "ticketing system?" This makes me nervous... My | mail's been going somewhere else? No. Let me explain what happened: Somebody managed to subscribe xorg@ to a «resell our service» system. How they did that, I'm not sure. This system would send emails to everybody emailing xorg@ saying «Thanks for your email, we'll get back to you». As they did not include enough identifying information in the «we'll get back to you» emails, I had to change the list software we use on freedesktop.org slightly. What it did include was the Subject field from the original mail. I made the mailing list software put the address of each recipient into the Subject field as it was sending out mails, and when I got the «we'll get back to you» email, it had the offending address in the subject field. The offender has been removed and all is now good, please go back to your regularly scheduled discussions. :-) Regards, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
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]] Scott Sibley | I'm not sure why I'm spamming the list. Know how I can fix this? I | checked Gmail's settings; nothing's being forwarded through Gmail. You are/were not, even if your address appears in the Subject field, see below for the longer explanation. | What do you mean by "ticketing system?" This makes me nervous... My | mail's been going somewhere else? No. Let me explain what happened: Somebody managed to subscribe xorg@ to a «resell our service» system. How they did that, I'm not sure. This system would send emails to everybody emailing xorg@ saying «Thanks for your email, we'll get back to you». As they did not include enough identifying information in the «we'll get back to you» emails, I had to change the list software we use on freedesktop.org slightly. What it did include was the Subject field from the original mail. I made the mailing list software put the address of each recipient into the Subject field as it was sending out mails, and when I got the «we'll get back to you» email, it had the offending address in the subject field and I could unsubscribe them. The offender has been removed and all is now good, please go back to your regularly scheduled discussions. :-) Regards, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Bounce test – please ignore
]] Tollef Fog Heen | Ok, I did a silly error in that patch to mailman, hopefully the second | try should work. Again, sorry for the noise. I just found the address and unsubscribed it, so you should no longer see mails from a ticketing system when you mail x...@. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
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]] Tollef Fog Heen | somebody on this list appears to forward their mail to a ticketing | system which spams everybody who mails the list. Earlier attempts at | working out who the responsible part is has failed, so I have modified | mailman a little bit to prepend the recipient to the subject field. | Hopefully this should allow us to work out who the responsible part is | and unsubscribe that address. Ok, I did a silly error in that patch to mailman, hopefully the second try should work. Again, sorry for the noise. Regards, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Bounce test – please ignore
Hi, somebody on this list appears to forward their mail to a ticketing system which spams everybody who mails the list. Earlier attempts at working out who the responsible part is has failed, so I have modified mailman a little bit to prepend the recipient to the subject field. Hopefully this should allow us to work out who the responsible part is and unsubscribe that address. Sorry for the noise. Regards, -- Tollef Fog Heen, fd.o sitewrangler UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are ___ xorg@lists.freedesktop.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com