Re: Find a good config guide
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:09:40 +0100 Holger Sebert said: > On 3/21/22 20:09, Michael Needham wrote: > > Greetings: > > > > I have been using Linux for over 25 years and have used FreeBSD off and on > > in that time. As we speak I am running an Arch based distro and thinking > > of switching my daily driver to FBSD. > > > > My experience with X despite the years using UNIX or UNIX-like operating > > systems, configuring X has always failed for me which is a lack of my > > understanding I believe. If it is already configured by my distro (in this > > case, EndeavourOS) then it works the way it should. I have been trying to > > install vanilla Arch Linux and the DE part never seems to work unless you > > use KDE or Gnome and those DEs seem to use another method for configuring > > the X11 server (may be ignorant here). > > > > Anyhow, I would like to learn how to configure X in a step by step granular > > level tutorial. I learn best visually, but can follow a well written guide > > that would do a lot of hand holding. I think that this hole in my > > knowledge being filled is paramount to my ability to realize my own use > > cases for Linux or BSD. Mainly, my focus in my years was on the server > > environment and recently (last year) it shifted to a desktop environment > > focus. > > > > If someone can help here or point out a good such tutorial, that would > > appreciated! I especially want to experience setting X up with nothing > > configured. Example, how to what info needs to be gathered on my system > > and WHERE that information is put (config files) both on Arch and BSD. > > > > Thank you in advance for help. While not a noob to Linux or UNIX, very > > much one on X11. > > > > Regards, > > Michael Needham > > > > Hi, > > on modern systems, Xorg should start out of the box with no > explicit configuration needed, except maybe setting the > window manager you would like to use. But graphics output > and input devices should be detected on the fly, provided > you are using Kernel Modesetting (KMS). > > E.g. on FreeBSD something like this should do the trick: > > pkg install xorg > pkg install windowmaker # or any other window manager > startx > > For details, consult the excellent FreeBSD Handbook. indeed. i actually haven't configured xorg for probably over a decade. it just comes up and auto-detects whatever gfx chip i have and loads the right xorg-side driver. it detects input devices on the fly. randr allows on the fly monitor re-configuring by clients (wm and other tools). i haven't had a need to configure it in a looong time. -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- Carsten Haitzler - ras...@rasterman.com
Re: Find a good config guide
On 3/21/22 20:09, Michael Needham wrote: Greetings: I have been using Linux for over 25 years and have used FreeBSD off and on in that time. As we speak I am running an Arch based distro and thinking of switching my daily driver to FBSD. My experience with X despite the years using UNIX or UNIX-like operating systems, configuring X has always failed for me which is a lack of my understanding I believe. If it is already configured by my distro (in this case, EndeavourOS) then it works the way it should. I have been trying to install vanilla Arch Linux and the DE part never seems to work unless you use KDE or Gnome and those DEs seem to use another method for configuring the X11 server (may be ignorant here). Anyhow, I would like to learn how to configure X in a step by step granular level tutorial. I learn best visually, but can follow a well written guide that would do a lot of hand holding. I think that this hole in my knowledge being filled is paramount to my ability to realize my own use cases for Linux or BSD. Mainly, my focus in my years was on the server environment and recently (last year) it shifted to a desktop environment focus. If someone can help here or point out a good such tutorial, that would appreciated! I especially want to experience setting X up with nothing configured. Example, how to what info needs to be gathered on my system and WHERE that information is put (config files) both on Arch and BSD. Thank you in advance for help. While not a noob to Linux or UNIX, very much one on X11. Regards, Michael Needham Hi, on modern systems, Xorg should start out of the box with no explicit configuration needed, except maybe setting the window manager you would like to use. But graphics output and input devices should be detected on the fly, provided you are using Kernel Modesetting (KMS). E.g. on FreeBSD something like this should do the trick: pkg install xorg pkg install windowmaker # or any other window manager startx For details, consult the excellent FreeBSD Handbook.
Re: Find a good config guide
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:09:44 -0500 Michael Needham wrote: > Greetings: > > I have been using Linux for over 25 years and have used FreeBSD off > and on in that time. As we speak I am running an Arch based distro > and thinking of switching my daily driver to FBSD. > > My experience with X despite the years using UNIX or UNIX-like > operating systems, configuring X has always failed for me which is a > lack of my understanding I believe. If it is already configured by > my distro (in this case, EndeavourOS) then it works the way it > should. I have been trying to install vanilla Arch Linux and the DE > part never seems to work unless you use KDE or Gnome and those DEs > seem to use another method for configuring the X11 server (may be > ignorant here). > > Anyhow, I would like to learn how to configure X in a step by step > granular level tutorial. I learn best visually, but can follow a > well written guide that would do a lot of hand holding. I think that > this hole in my knowledge being filled is paramount to my ability to > realize my own use cases for Linux or BSD. Mainly, my focus in my > years was on the server environment and recently (last year) it > shifted to a desktop environment focus. > > If someone can help here or point out a good such tutorial, that > would appreciated! I especially want to experience setting X up with > nothing configured. Example, how to what info needs to be gathered > on my system and WHERE that information is put (config files) both on > Arch and BSD. Arch is acknowledged to be pretty good on documentation and a google search for 'arch linux X11 configuration' led me to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/xorg which seems fairly good. A similar search for 'freebsd x11 configuration' led me to https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/x11/ which seems similarly good. I'd suggest starting with those. Cheers, Dave PS I prefer to read rather than watch, so sorry, I didn't look for videos. But you could try restricting the search to video results. > Thank you in advance for help. While not a noob to Linux or UNIX, > very much one on X11. > > Regards, > Michael Needham >
Re: Find a good config guide
Hi. Not sure about a step-by-step guide, but I suggest reading classic old books series "Definitive Guides to the X Window System" (aka "colour books") Especially "X Windows System Administrator's Guide" and "X Windows System User Guide". They are pretty old but really helped me with understand the generic XWindows configuration process (what is server, how client finds it, what is display manager and window manager, what is resource etc) https://www.amazon.com/Windows-System-Administrators-Definitive-Guides/dp/0937175838 https://www.amazon.com/Window-System-Users-Definitive-Guides/dp/0937175145
