Re: hald
On 2/02/13 05:49 , Etienne Robillard wrote: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:09:19 +1000 Peter Hutterer wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 06:05:43PM +, Steven Newbury wrote: On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 09:01 -0800, Etienne Robillard wrote: Thanks. But i didn't use --disable-config-hal... It was set to the default (auto). For that reason I was hoping not to have to mess with hald to make the server running again. I guess i'll have to explicitely attempt to use the "--disable-config-hal" flag next time I want to try a build. I'm pretty sure HAL is disabled by configure if udev support is detected. Input hotplug requires one of the other, udev is preferred. indeed that his the case (on linux). and configure will refuse to enable both, but apparently it doesn't complain if you enabled neither. while a potential use-case in theory, it's quite unlikely and we should warn the user. Heck, even with "--disable-config-hal" and "--enable-config-udev" the server doesn't like it... I have no idea between 1.12 to 1.13.2 to refuse using udev... Is it possible the 1.12 stack use a internal udev library for handling basic input devices (keyboard/mouse) ? nothing much has changed to the udev code since about server 1.8, so this is likely either a build-time failure or some change in your setup. Best to file a bug and attach your Xorg.log and the output of udevadm info --export-db Cheers, Peter erob@nguns:~/ncvs/x11/xserver$ head config.log This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. It was created by xorg-server configure 1.13.2, which was generated by GNU Autoconf 2.69. Invocation command line was $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-ipv6 --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --enable-config-udev --enable-maintainer-mode --disable-config-hal Regards, Etienne ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: hald
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:09:19 +1000 Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 06:05:43PM +, Steven Newbury wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 09:01 -0800, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > > Thanks. But i didn't use --disable-config-hal... It was set to the > > > default (auto). For that > > > reason I was hoping not to have to mess with hald to make the server > > > running > > > again. > > > > > > I guess i'll have to explicitely attempt to use the > > > "--disable-config-hal" flag > > > next time I want to try a build. > > > > > I'm pretty sure HAL is disabled by configure if udev support is > > detected. Input hotplug requires one of the other, udev is preferred. > > indeed that his the case (on linux). and configure will refuse to enable > both, but apparently it doesn't complain if you enabled neither. while a > potential use-case in theory, it's quite unlikely and we should warn the > user. Heck, even with "--disable-config-hal" and "--enable-config-udev" the server doesn't like it... I have no idea between 1.12 to 1.13.2 to refuse using udev... Is it possible the 1.12 stack use a internal udev library for handling basic input devices (keyboard/mouse) ? > Cheers, >Peter > erob@nguns:~/ncvs/x11/xserver$ head config.log This file contains any messages produced by compilers while running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake. It was created by xorg-server configure 1.13.2, which was generated by GNU Autoconf 2.69. Invocation command line was $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-ipv6 --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --enable-config-udev --enable-maintainer-mode --disable-config-hal Regards, Etienne ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: hald
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 06:05:43PM +, Steven Newbury wrote: > On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 09:01 -0800, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Thanks. But i didn't use --disable-config-hal... It was set to the default > > (auto). For that > > reason I was hoping not to have to mess with hald to make the server running > > again. > > > > I guess i'll have to explicitely attempt to use the "--disable-config-hal" > > flag > > next time I want to try a build. > > > I'm pretty sure HAL is disabled by configure if udev support is > detected. Input hotplug requires one of the other, udev is preferred. indeed that his the case (on linux). and configure will refuse to enable both, but apparently it doesn't complain if you enabled neither. while a potential use-case in theory, it's quite unlikely and we should warn the user. Cheers, Peter > > > hal/dbus is such a mess anyway that i'm quite happy to learn its being > > deprecated > > by udev. :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Etienne > > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:51:46 +1000 > > Peter Hutterer wrote: > > > HAL hasn't been required on linux since server 1.8 where we switched to > > > udev. If you disable hal you'll need to install the udev devel package to > > > make sure you have at least one config backend. > > > > > > right now, I suspect that you disable HAL, udev isn't enabled so the > > > server > > > simply doesn't detect your input devices. > > > > > > Cheers, > > >Peter > > > > > ___ > > xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support > > Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg > > Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg > > Your subscription address: st...@snewbury.org.uk > > ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: hald
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:40:30 +0100 Jonas Jelten wrote: > On Thu 31 Jan 2013 06:01:13 PM CET, Etienne Robillard wrote: > > Thanks. But i didn't use --disable-config-hal... It was set to the default > > (auto). For that > > reason I was hoping not to have to mess with hald to make the server running > > again. > > > > I guess i'll have to explicitely attempt to use the "--disable-config-hal" > > flag > > next time I want to try a build. > > > > hal/dbus is such a mess anyway that i'm quite happy to learn its being > > deprecated > > by udev. :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Etienne > > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:51:46 +1000 > > Peter Hutterer wrote: > >> HAL hasn't been required on linux since server 1.8 where we switched to > >> udev. If you disable hal you'll need to install the udev devel package to > >> make sure you have at least one config backend. > >> > >> right now, I suspect that you disable HAL, udev isn't enabled so the server > >> simply doesn't detect your input devices. > >> > >> Cheers, > >>Peter > >> > > ___ > > xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support > > Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg > > Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg > > Your subscription address: jel...@in.tum.de > > mach ich sofort > what language is that ? is that even proper Egyptian ? anyways, i though this was a english speaking list.. :) Regards, Etienne ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: hald
On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 09:01 -0800, Etienne Robillard wrote: > Thanks. But i didn't use --disable-config-hal... It was set to the default > (auto). For that > reason I was hoping not to have to mess with hald to make the server running > again. > > I guess i'll have to explicitely attempt to use the "--disable-config-hal" > flag > next time I want to try a build. > I'm pretty sure HAL is disabled by configure if udev support is detected. Input hotplug requires one of the other, udev is preferred. > hal/dbus is such a mess anyway that i'm quite happy to learn its being > deprecated > by udev. :) > > > Cheers, > > Etienne > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:51:46 +1000 > Peter Hutterer wrote: > > HAL hasn't been required on linux since server 1.8 where we switched to > > udev. If you disable hal you'll need to install the udev devel package to > > make sure you have at least one config backend. > > > > right now, I suspect that you disable HAL, udev isn't enabled so the server > > simply doesn't detect your input devices. > > > > Cheers, > >Peter > > > ___ > xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support > Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg > Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg > Your subscription address: st...@snewbury.org.uk ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: hald
Thanks. But i didn't use --disable-config-hal... It was set to the default (auto). For that reason I was hoping not to have to mess with hald to make the server running again. I guess i'll have to explicitely attempt to use the "--disable-config-hal" flag next time I want to try a build. hal/dbus is such a mess anyway that i'm quite happy to learn its being deprecated by udev. :) Cheers, Etienne On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:51:46 +1000 Peter Hutterer wrote: > HAL hasn't been required on linux since server 1.8 where we switched to > udev. If you disable hal you'll need to install the udev devel package to > make sure you have at least one config backend. > > right now, I suspect that you disable HAL, udev isn't enabled so the server > simply doesn't detect your input devices. > > Cheers, >Peter > ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: hald
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 02:13:27PM -0800, Etienne Robillard wrote: > why is hald required for running xserver? > > i noticed the 1.12.x version isn't requiring hald to run but when upgrading > to 1.13.2, > the mouse and keyboard lock up if hald isn't up.. Is thus > --disable-config-hald advisable > for running Xserver ? HAL hasn't been required on linux since server 1.8 where we switched to udev. If you disable hal you'll need to install the udev devel package to make sure you have at least one config backend. right now, I suspect that you disable HAL, udev isn't enabled so the server simply doesn't detect your input devices. Cheers, Peter ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
hald
why is hald required for running xserver? i noticed the 1.12.x version isn't requiring hald to run but when upgrading to 1.13.2, the mouse and keyboard lock up if hald isn't up.. Is thus --disable-config-hald advisable for running Xserver ? thank you, Etienne ___ xorg@lists.x.org: X.Org support Archives: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg Info: http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg Your subscription address: arch...@mail-archive.com
