Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
Alex Deucher wrote: >On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Robert Swindells wrote: >> >> Michael Dänzer wrote: >>>On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, >>> >>>I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let >>>alone working. >>> can anyone give me a reason not too, >>> >>>Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care >>>of UMS vs. ongoing development. >> >> If people were interested in working on UMS to use on non-linux systems >> how would they get the documentation on recent chips ? > >The easiest method would be to use the KMS code as a reference. The main reason I was considering trying to work on UMS was the length of time it is taking me to get anywhere with porting the radeon KMS code and the feeling that even when I do get it all to compile I won't be able to debug it. I think the best plan for me is to get an older R600 card off eBay. Robert Swindells ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Robert Swindells wrote: > > Michael Dänzer wrote: >>On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: >>> I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, >> >>I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let >>alone working. >> >>> can anyone give me a reason not too, >> >>Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care >>of UMS vs. ongoing development. > > If people were interested in working on UMS to use on non-linux systems > how would they get the documentation on recent chips ? The easiest method would be to use the KMS code as a reference. Alex > > Robert Swindells > > ___ > xorg-driver-ati mailing list > xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org > http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati > ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
Michael Dänzer wrote: >On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: >> I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, > >I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let >alone working. > >> can anyone give me a reason not too, > >Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care >of UMS vs. ongoing development. If people were interested in working on UMS to use on non-linux systems how would they get the documentation on recent chips ? Robert Swindells ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 04:04:05PM +0100, Robert Swindells wrote: > > Michael D?nzer wrote: > >On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > >> I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, > > > >I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let > >alone working. > > > >> can anyone give me a reason not too, > > > >Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care > >of UMS vs. ongoing development. > > If people were interested in working on UMS to use on non-linux systems > how would they get the documentation on recent chips ? > > Robert Swindells The only answer would be: read the kernel source. Here are the docs that are available: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/Pages/default.aspx#open_gpu Afaict, there is no register documentation being made available by ATI anymore. All you get is the shader instruction sets from AMDs GPGPU people. The deal with AMD at the time was that all basic hw and display information would be made public (these days, our proposal can be read at http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_radeonhd_four&num=1), and that we at SuSE would not get any documentation that was not meant to be made public, but that we would get it already while it was in the process of being cleared legally. While the documents that we did get initially (soon 5 years ago) were cleared during the time the SuSE/AMD contract was in place, are made public today, the documents that we got later on, like some ATI R7xx registers docs and R7xx AtomBIOS documentation (we never saw AtomBIOS documentation for R5xx or any R6xx type chip), were not cleared in that timeframe and were subsequently not released, despite Mr Bridgmans initial assurance that these docs would go out. So all you have is the kernel source and Matthias Hopfs excellent AtomBIOS disassembler (in as far as the latter is still useful on recent AtomBIOSes). The disassembler is a real life saver when trying to figure out how the AtomBIOS interface changes, or with spotting bugs in the BIOS, but i have no idea how useful that becomes without any register information. Luc Verhaegen. ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
Michael Dänzer wrote: >On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: >> I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, > >I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let >alone working. > >> can anyone give me a reason not too, > >Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care >of UMS vs. ongoing development. If people were interested in working on UMS to use on non-linux systems how would they get the documentation on recent chips ? Robert Swindells ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Roland Scheidegger wrote: > Am 14.06.2012 21:19, schrieb Dave Airlie: >> I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, can >> anyone give me a reason not too, >> >> we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. > > Aren't there still some OS using this driver but not supporting kms? > Though I guess it doesn't actually matter for them if they need to use > the ums branch instead... > Otherwise sounds good to me. There hasn't been anything new in UMS world really in 2-3 years, I'd rather split it off and let those who care about it deal with it, a lot of changes have broken UMS recently. So far its also 61k loc less to worry about, along with reducing the complexity of the macros and spaghetti useEXA, XAA code. Dave. ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
Am 14.06.2012 21:19, schrieb Dave Airlie: > I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, can > anyone give me a reason not too, > > we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. Aren't there still some OS using this driver but not supporting kms? Though I guess it doesn't actually matter for them if they need to use the ums branch instead... Otherwise sounds good to me. Roland ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 08:19:32PM +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, can > anyone give me a reason not too, Well, for the time being this would break my oddball OS (NetBSD) that doesn't yet have KMS. Not that anything newer than about R700 is even very useful without TTM for me. > we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. Well, that's better than nothing, at least assuming Someone maintains it. Jonathan Kollasch ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Michel Dänzer wrote: > On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: >> I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, > > I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let > alone working. > >> can anyone give me a reason not too, > > Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care > of UMS vs. ongoing development. > >> we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. > > Sounds good. Might even allow cleaning up the UMS code as well for > someone so inclined. Okay I've pushed a branch kms-only to the master repo I've only build tested it, now for the fun bit. Dave. ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Don, 2012-06-14 at 20:19 +0100, Dave Airlie wrote: > I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, I'm not opposed, it's becoming rather painful to keep UMS building, let alone working. > can anyone give me a reason not too, Not sure a reason is enough, someone would need to step up and take care of UMS vs. ongoing development. > we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. Sounds good. Might even allow cleaning up the UMS code as well for someone so inclined. -- Earthling Michel Dänzer | http://www.amd.com Libre software enthusiast | Debian, X and DRI developer ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
Re: dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Dave Airlie wrote: > I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, can > anyone give me a reason not too, > > we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. +1 Alex > > Dave. > ___ > xorg-driver-ati mailing list > xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org > http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
dropping UMS - xf86-video-ati-7.0.0
I'm seriously thinking of resurrecting the kms killing branch, can anyone give me a reason not too, we'd fork the current master into a UMS branch and move on. Dave. ___ xorg-driver-ati mailing list xorg-driver-ati@lists.x.org http://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-driver-ati
