Re: Xubuntu team direction

2009-12-08 Thread J. Anthony Limon
Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
 Lionel Le Folgoc wrote:
 Hi there,

 On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 01:20:07PM -0600, Jim Campbell wrote:
   
 It seems like most people are open to a council-type approach in terms of
 governance (if that's the right word).  It also seems like we would still
 need someone who can manage the seeds alongside Lionel, and perhaps do some
 development, too.  I'm not sure what all is involved in what Cody has done,
 to be honest, but we will need to find a person or (perhaps more likely) a
 couple people who can contribute in a technical manner similar to how has
 been able to contribute. I wouldn't expect anyone to perform those kind of
 duties right away, but . . .  eventually . . .  they could grow into those
 kind of responsibilities.

 I know what I'm proposing above isn't terribly formal, but I'm on visiting
 the neighbouring city of Milwaukee this weekend, and wanted to provide some
 input on this matter for now.  :)

   

 I'm all in favor of a council-type approach, thanks for thinking about
 this. ;)

 No problem about the people proposed either (although Micheal hasn't
 contributed at all to Xubuntu for more than six months, nor spoken on
 our ml or irc chan, so I'm not sure he's still interested).
   
 I understand Michael has a lot to do, so I'm not blaming him for this. 
 Maybe someone should contact him if he doesn't reply soonish. I can do 
 that.

 Cody and Lionel, what do you think about the technical team leader(s)? 
 Also Cody, do you think several leaders per team would make sense?
   
 Cody and Lionel, what areas do you think you could use the most support?  Is
 it in bug triage?  Is it in development, packaging and patching?  Is it in
 managing the seeds?  There may be Xubuntu users or MOTU folks who we could
 recruit based on a specific need.

 I know that recruiting new contributors is difficult (particularly skilled
 ones) but identifying particular areas where we need the most development
 help would at least give us a chance.

 

 The biggest issue isn't packaging imho. Now, most of our packages are
 synced as-is from Debian, and for the remaining ones, the delta with
 Debian is well identified (xubuntu-specific changes such as notify-osd
 support, etc.). Yet, some help would be appreciated on the
 StableReleaseUpdates (SRU) front, as currently we fix ~0 bug after a
 release, and users have to live with some annoying bugs during six
 months.

 An important problem for karmic was testing (especially gnome components
 - xfce interactions) and reporting bugs about that.  It's rather
 difficult to have the desktop team change something in their packages,
 and when we detect that a few days before/after the release, it's
 impossible. =]

 Charlie might probably need some help on bug triaging also…

 (I only focused on 'technical' stuff, but people may need help on
 documentation and artwork too ;)
   
 At least for Lucid, no big help with artwork is needed as we'll mostly 
 polish the Albatross theme with the Shimmer team. I could use some 
 help on renewing the website though, if somebody is interested.

 Documentation absolutely needs lots of help and love.
 Cheers,
 Lionel

   


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 Xubuntu Marketing Lead
 Web-designer, graphic artist
 IRC: knome @ freenode
   
What language and/or CMS is xubuntu.com?

- J

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Re: Xubuntu team direction

2009-12-08 Thread Pasi Lallinaho
J. Anthony Limon wrote:
 Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
   
 Lionel Le Folgoc wrote:
 
 Hi there,

 On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 01:20:07PM -0600, Jim Campbell wrote:
   
   
 It seems like most people are open to a council-type approach in terms of
 governance (if that's the right word).  It also seems like we would still
 need someone who can manage the seeds alongside Lionel, and perhaps do 
 some
 development, too.  I'm not sure what all is involved in what Cody has 
 done,
 to be honest, but we will need to find a person or (perhaps more likely) a
 couple people who can contribute in a technical manner similar to how has
 been able to contribute. I wouldn't expect anyone to perform those kind of
 duties right away, but . . .  eventually . . .  they could grow into those
 kind of responsibilities.

 I know what I'm proposing above isn't terribly formal, but I'm on visiting
 the neighbouring city of Milwaukee this weekend, and wanted to provide 
 some
 input on this matter for now.  :)

   
   
 I'm all in favor of a council-type approach, thanks for thinking about
 this. ;)

 No problem about the people proposed either (although Micheal hasn't
 contributed at all to Xubuntu for more than six months, nor spoken on
 our ml or irc chan, so I'm not sure he's still interested).
   
   
 I understand Michael has a lot to do, so I'm not blaming him for this. 
 Maybe someone should contact him if he doesn't reply soonish. I can do 
 that.

 Cody and Lionel, what do you think about the technical team leader(s)? 
 Also Cody, do you think several leaders per team would make sense?
 
   
   
 Cody and Lionel, what areas do you think you could use the most support?  
 Is
 it in bug triage?  Is it in development, packaging and patching?  Is it in
 managing the seeds?  There may be Xubuntu users or MOTU folks who we could
 recruit based on a specific need.

 I know that recruiting new contributors is difficult (particularly skilled
 ones) but identifying particular areas where we need the most development
 help would at least give us a chance.

 
 
 The biggest issue isn't packaging imho. Now, most of our packages are
 synced as-is from Debian, and for the remaining ones, the delta with
 Debian is well identified (xubuntu-specific changes such as notify-osd
 support, etc.). Yet, some help would be appreciated on the
 StableReleaseUpdates (SRU) front, as currently we fix ~0 bug after a
 release, and users have to live with some annoying bugs during six
 months.

 An important problem for karmic was testing (especially gnome components
 - xfce interactions) and reporting bugs about that.  It's rather
 difficult to have the desktop team change something in their packages,
 and when we detect that a few days before/after the release, it's
 impossible. =]

 Charlie might probably need some help on bug triaging also…

 (I only focused on 'technical' stuff, but people may need help on
 documentation and artwork too ;)
   
   
 At least for Lucid, no big help with artwork is needed as we'll mostly 
 polish the Albatross theme with the Shimmer team. I could use some 
 help on renewing the website though, if somebody is interested.

 Documentation absolutely needs lots of help and love.
 
 Cheers,
 Lionel

   
   
 -- 
 Pasi Lallinaho
 Xubuntu Marketing Lead
 Web-designer, graphic artist
 IRC: knome @ freenode
   
 
 What language and/or CMS is xubuntu.com?

 - J

   
Currently Drupal, but the with redesign we are migrating to WordPress.

-- 
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Xubuntu Marketing Lead
Web-designer, graphic artist
IRC: knome @ freenode

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