Update: Quick Ship Stats
Happy New year! Just a quick update on the Free Quick Ship Discs being shipped by On-Disk.com. Thus far we have shipped 439 Xubuntu 9.10 CDs (not bad for just over 2 months). Of these 261 were within the US, while 181 were shipped internationally. Happy New Year Everyone, Todd -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Hello, Sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been thinking quite a bit about this and have been waiting for the appropriate time to jump in. *General gist*: I think a council *could* be good for Xubuntu. However, its membership should be limited to 3 people due to the small size of our community (if we can't find consensus now, putting us all on a council isn't going to give us consensus either); it can grow later as necessary. Ultimately, this change should be mostly a transparent one and not a harbinger of great change or divergence from the Ubuntu community and processes. In fact, I feel this change should instead aim to bring greater consistency, stability, and most importantly longevity to our project. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Jim Campbell wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Now, where did this discussion go? It appears as though it went on vacation. It has to come back to work eventually, though! People seemed to like the council-type approach; what's next? I think it would be a good idea to revisit the document that Cody put together and see how it would need to be modified to suit a council-type approach. I can give this a try. I'll let the group know if I have questions as I put things together. Yeah, this sounds good. Maybe we should also briefly revise the general direction stuff and make any modifications to those as well if we feel they need to be changed. Agreed. The document is indeed in need of an update. Anybody has obejctions? Should we first propose this to the Community Council (or some place else) or just take the new governance into use? Once that is done, I think we should have a meeting to approve it. We could at least have that as an agenda item for our meeting (which we need to have anyway). I think that there is a general consensus around this for now, but we should formalize it. I share this feeling of consensus. Whats left to do is to determine if we're truly ready for this step and to what degree. Once we formalize our intent as a community to move in this direction, we will need to go before the community council to have our updated strategy document ratified. Cody, can you be our link to the other councils or whatever, as you seem to know them best? If we all approve of the change as a group, I think we could forward it on to the council so that they know what we're doing, but I am not so sure it would require their seal of approval. As long as we are comfortable with what we're doing, I think the community council would be ok with it. Ultimately, I don't think it will make a huge difference in how we operate as long as things get done. I could think so as well, but you never know... :) We are a Ubuntu project and to be fully recognized as a council with delegated authority from the community council we will require the community council's approval. However, thats the easy part. Coming up with a structure that will ultimately provide healthy leadership and have any sort of longevity will require careful planning and discussion between key stakeholders first. What's the situation with the technical team leadership? Cody, Lionel? I think we still need to address this. Definitely! The intention of the community leadership page was to give recognizability to the individuals who have organically grown into different leadership roles within the Xubuntu community. Its the person and not the title that permits these individuals to influence the project in the ways that they do. If anything, Lionel has only been increasingly more and more involved with the technical direction and operations of Xubuntu and so IMHO is the tech lead for Xubuntu regardless if we says so or not :-). If Lionel wishes to continue in this capacity, he is more than welcome to recognized as such IMHO. What's the situation with Michael? Can we remove Joszef's name from the leaders list - he's still not appeared from the mist. I don't know what the situation is with Michael. As for Joszef, I am of the opinion that we could remove his name from the leaders list. If he wanted to come back and contribute more, he would be welcome to do so. Okay. Let's do this parallel to the next meeting. Maybe we should also remove Michael from the leaders list or at least put his name on parenthesis if he doesn't show up in the meeting or before it? Joszef has made his intentions clear that he has left Xubuntu for other endeavors. Michael should be contacted to gauge his interest. To make Lucid be as good and stable as possible, I think we also should have a developer meeting soonish. If we can get the governance things sorted before or while the meeting, GREAT! I agree! I've put together a doodle poll to check everyone's availability for a team meeting. Please record what times will work for you using the link below. Hopefully the
Whaaw Media Player
Hi team, I had never heard of this app before the other night, most likely due to it not being the repositories, but it seems to be an excellent fit for the XFce/Xubuntu desktop as a replacement for Totem. It's simple, light and uses gstreamer without any GNOME ties. Any comments? - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: Hello, Sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been thinking quite a bit about this and have been waiting for the appropriate time to jump in. *General gist*: I think a council *could* be good for Xubuntu. However, its membership should be limited to 3 people due to the small size of our community (if we can't find consensus now, putting us all on a council isn't going to give us consensus either); it can grow later as necessary. Ultimately, this change should be mostly a transparent one and not a harbinger of great change or divergence from the Ubuntu community and processes. In fact, I feel this change should instead aim to bring greater consistency, stability, and most importantly longevity to our project. I must disagree with this, although I see the point of only having 3 members. From our experiences from the two last releases, my feeling is that the problem hasn't been finding consensus. The problem has been, as I see it (and I hate to bring this up again), that the one-leader approach has given problems on (mostly artwork) issues when you and I have disagreed. We have fortunately always found a compromise, but I really feel that I should have had the power to decide (against you), especially the rest of the developer community agreed with me. Just as I think Lionel should make any decisions on technical side or Jim on the documentation team, even if the leader or a single developer disagreed. The advantage with a bigger council, I think, is that it really involves people more. If we only choose three members to the council, the rest are unheard and the council can just overrule their thoughts. If they participate in the council, they have a better chance to be heard. I understand that a complete consensus (and pleasing everyone) might not be something we can achieve with 3+ members (either), but it really gives me a more community-based feeling. And in the end, I'm only proposing 4 members, and there's not really a decent way of determining which team (leader) should not be in the council. If you have an idea which team/who should NOT be in the council, please point your finger on the team. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi mailto:o...@knome.fi wrote: Jim Campbell wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi mailto:o...@knome.fi wrote: Now, where did this discussion go? It appears as though it went on vacation. It has to come back to work eventually, though! People seemed to like the council-type approach; what's next? I think it would be a good idea to revisit the document that Cody put together and see how it would need to be modified to suit a council-type approach. I can give this a try. I'll let the group know if I have questions as I put things together. Yeah, this sounds good. Maybe we should also briefly revise the general direction stuff and make any modifications to those as well if we feel they need to be changed. Agreed. The document is indeed in need of an update. Anybody has obejctions? Should we first propose this to the Community Council (or some place else) or just take the new governance into use? Once that is done, I think we should have a meeting to approve it. We could at least have that as an agenda item for our meeting (which we need to have anyway). I think that there is a general consensus around this for now, but we should formalize it. I share this feeling of consensus. Whats left to do is to determine if we're truly ready for this step and to what degree. Once we formalize our intent as a community to move in this direction, we will need to go before the community council to have our updated strategy document ratified. Cody, can you be our link to the other councils or whatever, as you seem to know them best? If we all approve of the change as a group, I think we could forward it on to the council so that they know what we're doing, but I am not so sure it would require their seal of approval. As long as we are comfortable with what we're doing, I think the community council would be ok with it. Ultimately, I don't think it will make a huge difference in how we operate as long as things get done. I could think so as well, but you never know... :) We are a Ubuntu project and to be fully recognized as a council with delegated authority from the community council we will require the community council's approval. However, thats the easy part. Coming up with a structure that will ultimately provide healthy leadership and have any sort of longevity will require careful planning and discussion between key stakeholders first. I'm not completely sure what/who you mean with key stakeholders, but during the change to a
Re: Whaaw Media Player
J. Anthony Limon wrote: Hi team, I had never heard of this app before the other night, most likely due to it not being the repositories, but it seems to be an excellent fit for the XFce/Xubuntu desktop as a replacement for Totem. It's simple, light and uses gstreamer without any GNOME ties. Any comments? - J I realized I forgot to supply a URL for the app, sorry guys. http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Whaaw Media Player
J. Anthony Limon wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: Hi team, I had never heard of this app before the other night, most likely due to it not being the repositories, but it seems to be an excellent fit for the XFce/Xubuntu desktop as a replacement for Totem. It's simple, light and uses gstreamer without any GNOME ties. Any comments? The fact that it's not in the repositories probably means it's not going to be default at least in Lucid. I realized I forgot to supply a URL for the app, sorry guys. http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ - J It looks nice and easy to use, though. Then again, there is Parole (http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole), which is also a new project, and might also be considered to use in Lucid+1. -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Whaaw Media Player
Pasi Lallinaho wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: Hi team, I had never heard of this app before the other night, most likely due to it not being the repositories, but it seems to be an excellent fit for the XFce/Xubuntu desktop as a replacement for Totem. It's simple, light and uses gstreamer without any GNOME ties. Any comments? The fact that it's not in the repositories probably means it's not going to be default at least in Lucid. I realized I forgot to supply a URL for the app, sorry guys. http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ - J It looks nice and easy to use, though. Then again, there is Parole (http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole), which is also a new project, and might also be considered to use in Lucid+1. -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode Oh yeah, I wouldn't even recommend it being default in Lucid. Just curious as to what others thought of it in general, maybe expose it to others who may be interested in the project. Parole does seem interesting, I'll have to look into it more. On a pretty non-important note, I severely dislike their icon/logo.. - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Whaaw Media Player
Whaaw's GUI does not look great to me. It looks extremely minimalistic. If the point is only to remove a few dependencies then I'm not sure it's such a great idea. Besides, Parole is being developed quite fast, and already has a decent set of features. There are a few things that I dislikein Parole's GUI (don't have them in mind though), but I think a discussion about these with Parole's author could get them sorted out. He is a nice developer and very attentive to comments from downstream users. 2010/1/1 J. Anthony Limon j...@flippo.net Pasi Lallinaho wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: Hi team, I had never heard of this app before the other night, most likely due to it not being the repositories, but it seems to be an excellent fit for the XFce/Xubuntu desktop as a replacement for Totem. It's simple, light and uses gstreamer without any GNOME ties. Any comments? The fact that it's not in the repositories probably means it's not going to be default at least in Lucid. I realized I forgot to supply a URL for the app, sorry guys. http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ - J It looks nice and easy to use, though. Then again, there is Parole (http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole), which is also a new project, and might also be considered to use in Lucid+1. -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode Oh yeah, I wouldn't even recommend it being default in Lucid. Just curious as to what others thought of it in general, maybe expose it to others who may be interested in the project. Parole does seem interesting, I'll have to look into it more. On a pretty non-important note, I severely dislike their icon/logo.. - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- Steve Dodier Student at École Nationale Supérieure d'Ingénieurs de Bourges Free Software Developer OpenPGP : 1B6B1670 -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Whaaw Media Player
Steve Dodier wrote: Whaaw's GUI does not look great to me. It looks extremely minimalistic. If the point is only to remove a few dependencies then I'm not sure it's such a great idea. Besides, Parole is being developed quite fast, and already has a decent set of features. There are a few things that I dislikein Parole's GUI (don't have them in mind though), but I think a discussion about these with Parole's author could get them sorted out. He is a nice developer and very attentive to comments from downstream users. 2010/1/1 J. Anthony Limon j...@flippo.net mailto:j...@flippo.net Pasi Lallinaho wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: J. Anthony Limon wrote: Hi team, I had never heard of this app before the other night, most likely due to it not being the repositories, but it seems to be an excellent fit for the XFce/Xubuntu desktop as a replacement for Totem. It's simple, light and uses gstreamer without any GNOME ties. Any comments? The fact that it's not in the repositories probably means it's not going to be default at least in Lucid. I realized I forgot to supply a URL for the app, sorry guys. http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ - J It looks nice and easy to use, though. Then again, there is Parole (http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole), which is also a new project, and might also be considered to use in Lucid+1. -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode Oh yeah, I wouldn't even recommend it being default in Lucid. Just curious as to what others thought of it in general, maybe expose it to others who may be interested in the project. Parole does seem interesting, I'll have to look into it more. On a pretty non-important note, I severely dislike their icon/logo.. - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- Steve Dodier Student at École Nationale Supérieure d'Ingénieurs de Bourges Free Software Developer OpenPGP : 1B6B1670 Dear Steve, do not top-post :P -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Whaaw Media Player
Why include a media player? Xubuntu or its website could provide a list of media players and an easy method to install whatever user prefers. A guide to make customized images would be nice, too. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Whaaw Media Player
Jarno Suni wrote: Why include a media player? Xubuntu or its website could provide a list of media players and an easy method to install whatever user prefers. A guide to make customized images would be nice, too. But to what end? Xubuntu is a complete operating system experience complete with tools for most day to day tasks out of the box. If it were to ship with just a core system + xfce it wouldn't be much in line with the rest of the Ubuntu based systems. With that said.. I've removed half the default apps and have switched to alternatives in almost every care, but apt-get --purge autoremove foo does a good job so I hardly notice.. - J -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
