Re: [Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-26 Thread Eugen Kubowsky
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Eugen Kubowsky posted a new comment:
Yes, I also think that this was a good discussion ;)
Maybe we should add something of it to the doc?

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-26 Thread liucheng83
Question #227410 on Yade changed:
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liucheng83 posted a new comment:
yes,me too! But I donnot what's an easy way to do it, an editable doc
that everyone can add things to it maybe great like ubuntu wiki!

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-26 Thread Bruno Chareyre
Question #227410 on Yade changed:
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Bruno Chareyre posted a new comment:
In fact, for the most part, the discussions on friction angle are
irrelevant to yade. They  are questions on modeling, independently of
which code is actually used, and they resurface periodically in this
mailing list.

If something is included somewhere, it would be better to include it in
the documentation than wiki (@liucheng, any part of the documentation is
already an editable text file that anyone can change, e.g. *1). Most
users will not see the wiki and the question will be asked again.

Normally, each functor should document itself and tell how contact
parameters are defined. For FrictPhys IP2 it is the case. The problem is
that the information is spread across the documentation and the reader
doesn't really know where to find it.

It is a good idea to elaborate a piece of documentation about this. The
difficulty is that there is no obvious place for such general
discussion. Feel free to suggest.

*1: https://raw.github.com/yade/trunk/master/doc/sphinx/user.rst

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-25 Thread Jan Stránský
Question #227410 on Yade changed:
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Status: Open = Answered

Jan Stránský proposed the following answer:
Hello,

either you can find this information in the source code, or you can ask
here for the specific Ip2 functor (as you mentioned, each one may implement
its own approach). For the two examples you gave:
Ip2_CpmMat_CpmMat_CpmPhys: avg( tan(frictionAngle) ) is considered
Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_FrictPhys: min( frictAngle ) is considered

see also https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/225776

cheers
Jan



2013/4/25 liucheng83 question227...@answers.launchpad.net

 New question #227410 on Yade:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/227410

 Hello,
 How to determine the internal friction angle between bodies? Like between
 two spheres, or sphere and facet?
 Is it true that interal_fri=min(fri1,fri2) except for
  Ip2_CpmMat_CpmMat_CpmPhys

 Here is 6.2.2 Other parameters in page 126 in yade--0.95.pdf
 -
 Other parameters
 Non-elastic parameters differ for various material models. Usually,
 though, they are averaged from the particles’ material properties, if it
 makes sense. For instance, Ip2_CpmMat_CpmMat_CpmPhys averages most
 quantities, while Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_FrictPhys computes internal
 friction angle as  to avoid friction with bodies that are frictionless.
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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-25 Thread liucheng83
Question #227410 on Yade changed:
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liucheng83 confirmed that the question is solved:
Thanks Jan Stránský, that solved my question.

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Re: [Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-25 Thread liucheng83
Question #227410 on Yade changed:
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Status: Answered = Solved

liucheng83 confirmed that the question is solved:
Thanks, Jan 
Really a good discussion for the problem of interal friciton angel.  
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/225776

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[Yade-users] [Question #227410]: Internal friction angle between bodies?

2013-04-24 Thread liucheng83
New question #227410 on Yade:
https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/227410

Hello,
How to determine the internal friction angle between bodies? Like between two 
spheres, or sphere and facet?
Is it true that interal_fri=min(fri1,fri2) except for  Ip2_CpmMat_CpmMat_CpmPhys

Here is 6.2.2 Other parameters in page 126 in yade--0.95.pdf  
-
Other parameters
Non-elastic parameters differ for various material models. Usually, though, 
they are averaged from the particles’ material properties, if it makes sense. 
For instance, Ip2_CpmMat_CpmMat_CpmPhys averages most quantities, while 
Ip2_FrictMat_FrictMat_FrictPhys computes internal friction angle as  to avoid 
friction with bodies that are frictionless.
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