RE: [ydn-delicious] subwebs and better link recommendations
Amir Michail wrote: * when entering a bookmark, you supply not only tags but also virtual inlinks and virtual outlinks; for example, when bookmarking TeXmacs, you might supply LyX as a virtual inlink and several TeXmacs resources pages as virtual outlinks. [snip] If simply having pre- and post-link title expansion text is seen as too complex for users, I _know_ this will be. Tim -- Tim Larson West Corporation, Interactive TeleServices Eschew obfuscation! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ydn-delicious] subwebs and better link recommendations
On 10/8/06, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've frequently thought that there should be a way to tightly bind a bunch of items together (i think of them as a project, all researched in one swoop). I'm not sure how this would be different from virtual inlinks/outlinks, or even what the distinction might be... I suppose you mean bind a bunch of items more tightly than through commonly used tags. Virtual inlinks/outlinks are more fine-grained than commonly used tags for grouping and there is no need to invent new tags (and remember what they mean). Incidentally, a potential problem with virtual inlinks/outlinks is that many users may not know when to use an inlink and when to use an outlink. So maybe supplying related links might be good enough. But I think the potential of virtual links to improve personalized recommendations in a way that leverages the collective intelligence of users (rather than by using more sophisticated collaborative filtering algorithms) is interesting. Also, I have doubts about personalization methods that depend on similarities among users (e.g., collaborative filtering, social networks, etc.). The method I proposed does not assume that other people share your interests along multiple dimensions. It's more fine-grained. Amir _ From: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amir Michail Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 9:02 PM To: ydn-delicious@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ydn-delicious] subwebs and better link recommendations Hi, What do you think of the following? * when entering a bookmark, you supply not only tags but also virtual inlinks and virtual outlinks; for example, when bookmarking TeXmacs, you might supply LyX as a virtual inlink and several TeXmacs resources pages as virtual outlinks. * these virtual inlinks and outlinks allow you to create your own subweb that you can use to browse your bookmarks; for example, when browsing the LyX bookmark in your subweb, you will see TeXmacs as a virtual outlink * moreover, the combined virtual inlinks and outlinks of all users provide an alternative view of the web, perhaps with more interesting linking * when browsing links, you can click more like this or fewer like this; the system keeps track of both of your liked and disliked links * virtual inlinks and outlinks along with liked/disliked links can be used to enhance personalized recommendations * for example, to compute the personalization score for some link Y with respect to some user P's liked links U_1, ..., U_m and disliked links V_1, ..., V_n, we could do the following: compute scores for Y's virtual inlinks from all users: say S_i for X_i = Y (the stronger the implication, the higher the score) compute scores for Y's virtual outlinks from all users: say S'_i for Y=X_i (the stronger the implication, the higher the score) compute the personalization score for Y with respect to user P as follows: sum S_i over U_i - sum S'_j over V_j Amir [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ydn-delicious] subwebs and better link recommendations
On 10/8/06, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * when entering a bookmark, you supply not only tags but also virtual inlinks and virtual outlinks; for example, when bookmarking TeXmacs, you might supply LyX as a virtual inlink and several TeXmacs resources pages as virtual outlinks. certainly interesting, but few would use it because of the complexity :-/ I'm pretty much tech-savvy and a del.icio.us power user, but what you described would take too much time even for me... posting should never be more than it is now: title, summary, tags. I left Ma.gnolia just because of the extra 1 click everywhere [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ydn-delicious] subwebs and better link recommendations
On 10/8/06, Mislav Marohnić [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/8/06, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * when entering a bookmark, you supply not only tags but also virtual inlinks and virtual outlinks; for example, when bookmarking TeXmacs, you might supply LyX as a virtual inlink and several TeXmacs resources pages as virtual outlinks. certainly interesting, but few would use it because of the complexity :-/ It's different, but I don't think it's complex. As with tags, you invest some effort at bookmarking time to help you find stuff later. I'm pretty much tech-savvy and a del.icio.us power user, but what you described would take too much time even for me... posting should never be more than it is now: title, summary, tags. I left Ma.gnolia just because of the extra 1 click everywhere This is optional anyway and the system could suggest some virtual links for you to use (much as it now suggests tags for you to use). Amir [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ydn-delicious] subwebs and better link recommendations
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:01:54 +1000, Amir Michail [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, What do you think of the following? Aside from tag-related links and user-related links, this would be a way for a user to provide *explicit* user-related links, things that a user thinks *should* be related to this link. This is conceptually very close or identical to the kinds of collections enabled by Rollyo, Wink, Squidoo, Kaboodle and others (Yahoo MyWeb ? ). So, adding a lightweight, easy-to-add explicit user-defined clustering on a bookmark might be a good idea. If the system showed clusters that other users have created around this bookmark, that might help as well. It appears different enough from other notions of related ( http://tinyurl.com/e854x ) to be interesting if added in a lightweight way to del.icio.us. You could possibly jigger the existing delicious tag system and fake this by creating large sets of special case tags to keep all this glued together with private semantic tags, but that seems to suggest this should really have intrinsic system support. Nitin Borwankar, Tag Schemer http://tagschema.com * when entering a bookmark, you supply not only tags but also virtual inlinks and virtual outlinks; for example, when bookmarking TeXmacs, you might supply LyX as a virtual inlink and several TeXmacs resources pages as virtual outlinks. * these virtual inlinks and outlinks allow you to create your own subweb that you can use to browse your bookmarks; for example, when browsing the LyX bookmark in your subweb, you will see TeXmacs as a virtual outlink * moreover, the combined virtual inlinks and outlinks of all users provide an alternative view of the web, perhaps with more interesting linking * when browsing links, you can click more like this or fewer like this; the system keeps track of both of your liked and disliked links * virtual inlinks and outlinks along with liked/disliked links can be used to enhance personalized recommendations * for example, to compute the personalization score for some link Y with respect to some user P's liked links U_1, ..., U_m and disliked links V_1, ..., V_n, we could do the following: compute scores for Y's virtual inlinks from all users: say S_i for X_i = Y (the stronger the implication, the higher the score) compute scores for Y's virtual outlinks from all users: say S'_i for Y=X_i (the stronger the implication, the higher the score) compute the personalization score for Y with respect to user P as follows: sum S_i over U_i - sum S'_j over V_j Amir Yahoo! Groups Links -- Nitin Borwankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ydn-delicious/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
