Re: [yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
On Wednesday 09 April 2014 16:39:38 Chris Larson wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Rudolf Streif rudolf.str...@linux.comwrote: That is exciting. I just ran with it and started a build with toaster in the background. A couple of observations from the get-go: - South 0.8.4 is also needed in addition to Django. The Toaster Wiki [1] does not say that but the Contribute to Toaster page [2] does. - You need to run 'sudo pip install ...' for Django and South otherwise the installation fails with 'permission denied' for /usr/lib/python2.7 - Clicking on Show me the manual in the Toaster UI directs to [3] which requires a log in - Is it possible to relocate/rename the toaster.sqlite database via configuration setting? If so, could I use the same database for different build environments? Side note: you can use pip install --user ... rather than sudo pip, to install it to your user site-packages directory under ~/.local, which won't impact the rest of the system. I'd like to see this documented using virtualenv [1] to install the additional packages - it's so much cleaner than any other solution. Cheers, Paul [1] For those who aren't familiar with virtualenv: http://simononsoftware.com/virtualenv-tutorial/ -- Paul Eggleton Intel Open Source Technology Centre -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
Re: [yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
On 09/04/2014 21:52, Philip Balister phi...@balister.org wrote: On 04/09/2014 03:43 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote: Hi all, I am looking into collecting feedback on the first version of Toaster https://www.yoctoproject.org/blogs/belenbarrospena/2014/eye-candy which will be out with Yocto Project 1.6. There are 2 things I'd like to do: 1) Dogfooding Once the release is out, it would be great to have people trying Toaster for real work stuff, and telling us how it went. I am of course particularly keen on hearing about what's wrong, so feel free to vent your frustrations with the thing. 2) (More formal) usability testing I am also looking into validating the Toaster interface in more conventional ways, which means usability testing. This is done in 30-minute sessions run remotely using screen sharing software, although we can also do it in person if you are going to ELC or the OEDAM. During those 30 minutes you will be asked to do some stuff with Toaster and to speak your mind a lot. I will also ask for your permission to record the session, which you can of course refuse. Belen, can you add this to the OEDAM wiki page? We should have a good variety of people there to give feedback. Good point. It also gave me the excuse to request an account for the wiki. Will do as soon as I get login details. Thanks! Belén Philip If you would like to volunteer for this (which is useful and important stuff), get in touch with me (I am belen in IRC, or email me). I would normally give out something in return for your time, but things are tight right now, so I'm afraid all you'll get on this occasion is a heartwarming thank you. Cheers Belén -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
Re: [yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
On 10/04/2014 11:14, Paul Eggleton paul.eggle...@linux.intel.com wrote: On Wednesday 09 April 2014 16:39:38 Chris Larson wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Rudolf Streif rudolf.str...@linux.comwrote: That is exciting. I just ran with it and started a build with toaster in the background. A couple of observations from the get-go: - South 0.8.4 is also needed in addition to Django. The Toaster Wiki [1] does not say that but the Contribute to Toaster page [2] does. - You need to run 'sudo pip install ...' for Django and South otherwise the installation fails with 'permission denied' for /usr/lib/python2.7 Thanks for this. We'll make sure to update the wiki. - Clicking on Show me the manual in the Toaster UI directs to [3] which requires a log in Ah, yes: the manual is not ready yet, so its web page is not published. That's why you are being asked to log in. It should be ready by release time. - Is it possible to relocate/rename the toaster.sqlite database via configuration setting? If so, could I use the same database for different build environments? I believe you can, although Alex Damien is the one who can explain the details. The information here: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster#Setting_up_a_Toaster_Instance_on _a_Remote_Host might also answer some questions. Side note: you can use pip install --user ... rather than sudo pip, to install it to your user site-packages directory under ~/.local, which won't impact the rest of the system. I'd like to see this documented using virtualenv [1] to install the additional packages - it's so much cleaner than any other solution. Good point. I'll look into getting that going. Belén Cheers, Paul [1] For those who aren't familiar with virtualenv: http://simononsoftware.com/virtualenv-tutorial/ -- Paul Eggleton Intel Open Source Technology Centre -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
[yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
Hi all, I am looking into collecting feedback on the first version of Toaster https://www.yoctoproject.org/blogs/belenbarrospena/2014/eye-candy which will be out with Yocto Project 1.6. There are 2 things I'd like to do: 1) Dogfooding Once the release is out, it would be great to have people trying Toaster for real work stuff, and telling us how it went. I am of course particularly keen on hearing about what's wrong, so feel free to vent your frustrations with the thing. 2) (More formal) usability testing I am also looking into validating the Toaster interface in more conventional ways, which means usability testing. This is done in 30-minute sessions run remotely using screen sharing software, although we can also do it in person if you are going to ELC or the OEDAM. During those 30 minutes you will be asked to do some stuff with Toaster and to speak your mind a lot. I will also ask for your permission to record the session, which you can of course refuse. If you would like to volunteer for this (which is useful and important stuff), get in touch with me (I am belen in IRC, or email me). I would normally give out something in return for your time, but things are tight right now, so I'm afraid all you'll get on this occasion is a heartwarming thank you. Cheers Belén -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
Re: [yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
On 04/09/2014 03:43 AM, Barros Pena, Belen wrote: Hi all, I am looking into collecting feedback on the first version of Toaster https://www.yoctoproject.org/blogs/belenbarrospena/2014/eye-candy which will be out with Yocto Project 1.6. There are 2 things I'd like to do: 1) Dogfooding Once the release is out, it would be great to have people trying Toaster for real work stuff, and telling us how it went. I am of course particularly keen on hearing about what's wrong, so feel free to vent your frustrations with the thing. 2) (More formal) usability testing I am also looking into validating the Toaster interface in more conventional ways, which means usability testing. This is done in 30-minute sessions run remotely using screen sharing software, although we can also do it in person if you are going to ELC or the OEDAM. During those 30 minutes you will be asked to do some stuff with Toaster and to speak your mind a lot. I will also ask for your permission to record the session, which you can of course refuse. Belen, can you add this to the OEDAM wiki page? We should have a good variety of people there to give feedback. Philip If you would like to volunteer for this (which is useful and important stuff), get in touch with me (I am belen in IRC, or email me). I would normally give out something in return for your time, but things are tight right now, so I'm afraid all you'll get on this occasion is a heartwarming thank you. Cheers Belén -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
Re: [yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
Hi Belen, That is exciting. I just ran with it and started a build with toaster in the background. A couple of observations from the get-go: - South 0.8.4 is also needed in addition to Django. The Toaster Wiki [1] does not say that but the Contribute to Toaster page [2] does. - You need to run 'sudo pip install ...' for Django and South otherwise the installation fails with 'permission denied' for /usr/lib/python2.7 - Clicking on Show me the manual in the Toaster UI directs to [3] which requires a log in - Is it possible to relocate/rename the toaster.sqlite database via configuration setting? If so, could I use the same database for different build environments? Thanks, Rudi [1] https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Toaster#Installation_and_Running [2] https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Contribute_to_Toaster [3] https://www.yoctoproject.org/documentation/toaster-manual -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
Re: [yocto] Dogfooding and usability testing Toaster
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Rudolf Streif rudolf.str...@linux.comwrote: That is exciting. I just ran with it and started a build with toaster in the background. A couple of observations from the get-go: - South 0.8.4 is also needed in addition to Django. The Toaster Wiki [1] does not say that but the Contribute to Toaster page [2] does. - You need to run 'sudo pip install ...' for Django and South otherwise the installation fails with 'permission denied' for /usr/lib/python2.7 - Clicking on Show me the manual in the Toaster UI directs to [3] which requires a log in - Is it possible to relocate/rename the toaster.sqlite database via configuration setting? If so, could I use the same database for different build environments? Side note: you can use pip install --user ... rather than sudo pip, to install it to your user site-packages directory under ~/.local, which won't impact the rest of the system. -- Christopher Larson clarson at kergoth dot com Founder - BitBake, OpenEmbedded, OpenZaurus Maintainer - Tslib Senior Software Engineer, Mentor Graphics -- ___ yocto mailing list yocto@yoctoproject.org https://lists.yoctoproject.org/listinfo/yocto
