[Zen] Re: Can we have a political party based on the zen principle of awar
William, if you go to my website http://www.I-ThouLiving.com and click on the second link entitled "Wholeness" you can read a summary of David Bohm's ideas. I had read his ideas before listening to the you tube videos and I really liked them, so I was very curious to listen to these videos. But I listened to them early in the day - wouldn't when I was tired at the end of the day - and always when I was doing something else like washing dishes. I, too, would have a hard time just sitting there and listening to them. But I think the basic message is important: thought is a program, automatic, the source of fragmentation. It is the reason for most of our problems. Just as we have a proprioceptive sense and can tell when our arm moves, we need to develop proprioception or awareness of thought - which we get from family, culture etc. - and is largely not our own. Thought also involves more than thought. If you watch it you can see. When you have a thought it often unfolds an action or a feeling. When you have a feeling it often unfolds a thought or an action. When you do something, it often unfolds a thought or a feeling. As with zen - Bohm counsels just watching. To change society he thinks we need dialogue where we watch/become aware together of the assumptions in our thoughts, of what we think is necessary, how our thought arises (from feelings etc.), especially, from the feelings of pleasure or fear. He thinks groups consist of about 20 to 30 people. They should have no agenda (the agenda would be based on assumptions/thought). We should not engage in dialogue to draw conclusions. Real change comes from changing tacit thought (I interpret this as indicating thought involves much more than we think - is at its root physiological/preconceptual/nonverbal). So we don't have to verbalize conclusions after a Bohm-like dialogue because that would be just more thought. Bohm distinguishes thinking which takes place in the present and thought which is about the past or the future. Thinking helps us solve problems, but requires an empty space, empty of thought. Bohm distinguishes between knowledge and insight. Knowledge involves thought. Insight comes when leave an empty space absence of thought. Kristamurti and Bohm also seem to think there is a universal mind/intelligence we all participate in, the source of creativity and insight. Bonnie http://www.I-ThouLiving.com
[Zen] ZEN:MUSIC FOR BALANCE AND RELAXATION
weekend music...enjoy... merle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2yk1lsi9RM&feature=endscreen
[Zen] Anxiety Disorder - Ten Tips for Treatment - YouTube
for william all the best merle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWMD5VFuM8
[Zen] Buddha Nature
"[W]hen you turn within and drop off everything completely, realization occurs. Right at the time of entirely dropping off, deliberation and discussion are one thousand or ten thousand miles away. Still no principle is discernible, so what could there be to point to or explain? People with the bottom of the bucket fallen out immediately find total trust. So we are told simply to realize mutual response and explore mutual response, then turn around and enter the world. Roam and play in samadhi." - Hongzhi, Cultivating the Empty Field (tr. Taigen Dan Leighton and Yi Wu) ...Bill! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Anxiety
great advice bill!...all the best william..merle William, Zen meditation (zazen) is not a panacea for all ills, although I think it is a good choice for psychological ones. The only suggestion I could offer is besides seeking medical help you should try to be as certain as possible that you are sitting 'correctly'. To do that you'd have to seek out a zen teacher and get 1-on-1, face-to-face instruction and support. You can learn the mechanics of zazen, like how to position your body and counting your breaths to get started, but everyone I've ever know runs into difficulties and has questions that are best addressed by a zen teacher. I am certain zazen can help with your anxiety but do not know it that's the only thing you should do to address it - probably not. As has already been said physical activities and hobbies help, but if your anxiety is severe - and by that I mean if it seriously diminishes your ability to enjoy your life - then I'd advise you to at least talk to a medical doctor about it - if you haven't done so already. Good luck and keep posting. I think posting or better yet talking with your friends and family will help also. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, William Rintala wrote: > > I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind > says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I > know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been > meditating > for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and several times > a > day, when I am able. I've been to several psychiatrists who've put me on a > series of medications and they do help but the stronger ones zombiefy me. > I've > been through years of psychotherapy and nothing has really done a thing for > me. > I've written a daily affirmation that says "Today I have an opportunity to > help > someone in need. I have a unique opportunity to do some very real good , to > make a difference in someone's life. Just by being myself, Just by being > here" > And I truly believe that and when I read it I truly feel it but minutes later > the anxiety rages back and I'm overwhelmed. > > > I have a firm belief that meditation is the key to my recovery but the seed, > the > core of this anxiety is resistant to everything that I do. > > > As I write this I am reminded of a dream that I had several years ago. In > the > dream I was a powerful wizard. I was able to destroy and defeat all of my > enemies except for one demon. This demon was in a seperate place, a room. He > was extremely powerful and immune to anything that I was able to bring > against > him. In a deperate last effort I threw my arms around him in a fierce bear > hug. > As I deperately crushed him to myself I began to say "I Love You" "I Love > You" > "I Love You" over and over again. As I repeated this he became weaker and > smaller. Eventually he was so small that my arms were literally wrapped > around > my own shoulders and I was hugging myself and reciting "I Love You". The > dream > ended. > > > Could the demon be my anxiety? Could learning to love myself be the key to > ending it? Is that wishful thinking? Any Zen/Meditation tips or > techniques, > hints or suggestions would be helpful. > > After a medition earlier this week I realized that one thing that I keep > repeating with regards to anxiety provoking situations is the word NO. No > compresses me it causes me to curl up inside like an infant and scream > silently. I decided to start practicing YES when the anxiety hits me. Yes > opens me up helps me to accept the situation and my eyes clear. It accepts > the > situation and allows me to be there. It is all so very painful. > > > Are any of you able to help? >
[Zen] Re: Anxiety
William, Zen meditation (zazen) is not a panacea for all ills, although I think it is a good choice for psychological ones. The only suggestion I could offer is besides seeking medical help you should try to be as certain as possible that you are sitting 'correctly'. To do that you'd have to seek out a zen teacher and get 1-on-1, face-to-face instruction and support. You can learn the mechanics of zazen, like how to position your body and counting your breaths to get started, but everyone I've ever know runs into difficulties and has questions that are best addressed by a zen teacher. I am certain zazen can help with your anxiety but do not know it that's the only thing you should do to address it - probably not. As has already been said physical activities and hobbies help, but if your anxiety is severe - and by that I mean if it seriously diminishes your ability to enjoy your life - then I'd advise you to at least talk to a medical doctor about it - if you haven't done so already. Good luck and keep posting. I think posting or better yet talking with your friends and family will help also. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, William Rintala wrote: > > I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind > says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I > know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been > meditating > for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and several times > a > day, when I am able. I've been to several psychiatrists who've put me on a > series of medications and they do help but the stronger ones zombiefy me. > I've > been through years of psychotherapy and nothing has really done a thing for > me. > I've written a daily affirmation that says "Today I have an opportunity to > help > someone in need. I have a unique opportunity to do some very real good , to > make a difference in someone's life. Just by being myself, Just by being > here" > And I truly believe that and when I read it I truly feel it but minutes later > the anxiety rages back and I'm overwhelmed. > > > I have a firm belief that meditation is the key to my recovery but the seed, > the > core of this anxiety is resistant to everything that I do. > > > As I write this I am reminded of a dream that I had several years ago. In > the > dream I was a powerful wizard. I was able to destroy and defeat all of my > enemies except for one demon. This demon was in a seperate place, a room. He > was extremely powerful and immune to anything that I was able to bring > against > him. In a deperate last effort I threw my arms around him in a fierce bear > hug. > As I deperately crushed him to myself I began to say "I Love You" "I Love > You" > "I Love You" over and over again. As I repeated this he became weaker and > smaller. Eventually he was so small that my arms were literally wrapped > around > my own shoulders and I was hugging myself and reciting "I Love You". The > dream > ended. > > > Could the demon be my anxiety? Could learning to love myself be the key to > ending it? Is that wishful thinking? Any Zen/Meditation tips or > techniques, > hints or suggestions would be helpful. > > After a medition earlier this week I realized that one thing that I keep > repeating with regards to anxiety provoking situations is the word NO. No > compresses me it causes me to curl up inside like an infant and scream > silently. I decided to start practicing YES when the anxiety hits me. Yes > opens me up helps me to accept the situation and my eyes clear. It accepts > the > situation and allows me to be there. It is all so very painful. > > > Are any of you able to help? > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: Dogen's words on a "True Teacher", and Practice
Correcto! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > The "Buddha" in this usage is not the person known as Lord Buddha or > Siddhartha Gautama but the concept of the Buddha. Do not act with the > concept of "person" or "enlightened" or "good" or whatever. Just act. > Especially, don't sit thinking there is some "you" that is cut off from > other stuff that isn't "you". Just sit. > > Thanks, > > --Chris > chris@... > +1-301-270-6524 > > > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:11 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > > > Dear Charles, > > > > You have quoted "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him" - > > > > How do you know person across you is a Buddha? In case you have > > capability to recognise that he is Buddha, who gave you this > > perception? Again it has to be a Buddha? It is like you want to kill > > your own mother, How come you have become so ignorant? Buddha never > > ever wanted to kill even an ant, and you call your self the follower > > or following his path wanted to kill Buddha himself? > > > > Don't say just because someone has said, see your self the truth. > > People are misguided by reading few books. Try to see how you are > > influenced? Many are not even aware that they have been influenced. > > > > A person said to be in Buddha nature do not take any action either in > > mind or in body. It happens, and when it happens it is always of love. > > > > best wishes > > Suresh > > > > > > -- > > Thanks and best regards > > J.Suresh > > New No.3, Old No.7, > > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > > Alwarpet, > > Chennai - 600018 > > Ph: 044 42030947 > > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Anxiety
joe..and william... yes exercise is a good and very important tool... and finding some activity that you can put your whole being into.. my son is doing painting, photography music it's not easy ..i can see he is suffering..some days he seems more stable than other days he feels sad he cannot live a normal life and as his mother it is hard pressed to see such an out come for his life merle William, I don't know if anxiety comes about because of thoughts that arise. Does anxiety come about otherwise, instead?: Is it caused by some physical state that takes hold, even un-preceded by thoughts? If anxiety comes about by thoughts arising, meditation training shows what to do. But if anxiety is a physical state, which then may cause concomitant or subsidiary thoughts to arise (which are not causative, and are perhaps interpretive, as in dreams, or after dreams), then I'm not sure that training in meditation can address it. If anxiety comes about by thoughts arising, we can use the same technology as ever in dealing with thoughts: by starving them out. Self-deportation! (of thoughts)! Thoughts do not have a life of their own. We have to be invested in them to give them a life. Take the situation of the territory of meditation: A thought may arise; we need not know how. As it arises, it falls, unless we support it. In meditation, we have a method of meditation that we are concentrating on. We don't particularly have to shoot-down or take any action against thoughts. All we do in formal meditation is give all our attention to the method of practice. Doing this removes a lot of resources which might otherwise support the life and career of a thought. When we concentrate on, say, the breath, or on the number we're counting, or on watching the sensation of the breath at the tips of the nostrils, thoughts that arise are not being tended to, not being supported, not given the floor or a microphone or a spotlight or an audience. Only the method of practice has our attention and our energy. This works when we are sitting. Or walking. Or making breakfast. Etc. In Zen training, whatever we're doing is "the method": When we sit zazen, the method is zazen. But if we make any activity -- all activities -- a method, then thoughts will be starved out in all our activities. Except when we want to think!, as when we're doing a Crossword, or figuring the amount of paint we need to paint the house. But those thoughts are very "directed" thoughts, and do not have a life of their own either. They live, or last, only as long as we're squeezing them, and should lead to no anxiety during the time we use them. If anxiety comes up as a physical state, as in panic attack manifestations, then I don't know if training from meditation can help. I think only a teacher or counselor or M.D. can advise, there. It doesn't sound as if drugs help, much. Maybe something like exercise can help. Some people avoid certain foods because they find they have a mild allergy to certain proteins in them. All best, --Joe > William Rintala wrote: > > I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind > says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I > know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been > meditating for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and > several times a day, when I am able. [snip]
Re: [Zen] Anxiety
my son, leon 36 has suffered from anxiety since he was in his late teens...he was diagnosed with ocd..obsessive compulsive disorder..the anxiety and the ocd leads to depression..he is struggling daily..he is on a strict diet and does meditation and yoga. he takes medication... i can sympathise with you william i do not have an answer as i do not have any answers for my son thank you for sharing merle I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been meditating for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and several times a day, when I am able. I've been to several psychiatrists who've put me on a series of medications and they do help but the stronger ones zombiefy me. I've been through years of psychotherapy and nothing has really done a thing for me. I've written a daily affirmation that says "Today I have an opportunity to help someone in need. I have a unique opportunity to do some very real good , to make a difference in someone's life. Just by being myself, Just by being here" And I truly believe that and when I read it I truly feel it but minutes later the anxiety rages back and I'm overwhelmed. I have a firm belief that meditation is the key to my recovery but the seed, the core of this anxiety is resistant to everything that I do. As I write this I am reminded of a dream that I had several years ago. In the dream I was a powerful wizard. I was able to destroy and defeat all of my enemies except for one demon. This demon was in a seperate place, a room. He was extremely powerful and immune to anything that I was able to bring against him. In a deperate last effort I threw my arms around him in a fierce bear hug. As I deperately crushed him to myself I began to say "I Love You" "I Love You" "I Love You" over and over again. As I repeated this he became weaker and smaller. Eventually he was so small that my arms were literally wrapped around my own shoulders and I was hugging myself and reciting "I Love You". The dream ended. Could the demon be my anxiety? Could learning to love myself be the key to ending it? Is that wishful thinking? Any Zen/Meditation tips or techniques, hints or suggestions would be helpful. After a medition earlier this week I realized that one thing that I keep repeating with regards to anxiety provoking situations is the word NO. No compresses me it causes me to curl up inside like an infant and scream silently. I decided to start practicing YES when the anxiety hits me. Yes opens me up helps me to accept the situation and my eyes clear. It accepts the situation and allows me to be there. It is all so very painful. Are any of you able to help?
[Zen] Re: Anxiety
William, I don't know if anxiety comes about because of thoughts that arise. Does anxiety come about otherwise, instead?: Is it caused by some physical state that takes hold, even un-preceded by thoughts? If anxiety comes about by thoughts arising, meditation training shows what to do. But if anxiety is a physical state, which then may cause concomitant or subsidiary thoughts to arise (which are not causative, and are perhaps interpretive, as in dreams, or after dreams), then I'm not sure that training in meditation can address it. If anxiety comes about by thoughts arising, we can use the same technology as ever in dealing with thoughts: by starving them out. Self-deportation! (of thoughts)! Thoughts do not have a life of their own. We have to be invested in them to give them a life. Take the situation of the territory of meditation: A thought may arise; we need not know how. As it arises, it falls, unless we support it. In meditation, we have a method of meditation that we are concentrating on. We don't particularly have to shoot-down or take any action against thoughts. All we do in formal meditation is give all our attention to the method of practice. Doing this removes a lot of resources which might otherwise support the life and career of a thought. When we concentrate on, say, the breath, or on the number we're counting, or on watching the sensation of the breath at the tips of the nostrils, thoughts that arise are not being tended to, not being supported, not given the floor or a microphone or a spotlight or an audience. Only the method of practice has our attention and our energy. This works when we are sitting. Or walking. Or making breakfast. Etc. In Zen training, whatever we're doing is "the method": When we sit zazen, the method is zazen. But if we make any activity -- all activities -- a method, then thoughts will be starved out in all our activities. Except when we want to think!, as when we're doing a Crossword, or figuring the amount of paint we need to paint the house. But those thoughts are very "directed" thoughts, and do not have a life of their own either. They live, or last, only as long as we're squeezing them, and should lead to no anxiety during the time we use them. If anxiety comes up as a physical state, as in panic attack manifestations, then I don't know if training from meditation can help. I think only a teacher or counselor or M.D. can advise, there. It doesn't sound as if drugs help, much. Maybe something like exercise can help. Some people avoid certain foods because they find they have a mild allergy to certain proteins in them. All best, --Joe > William Rintala wrote: > > I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind > says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I > know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been > meditating for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and > several times a day, when I am able. [snip] Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Anxiety
William, Thanks for sharing this. Reminds me of a repeating dream I had as a little boy terrified by a black panther. Finally in one dream I accepted my fate and entered his den down into the earth. At that moment I realized he was my friend and protector. He never bothered me again... As for anxiety the key indeed is meditation or more accurately realization of the true nature of anxiety. You do seem to realize intellectually that it's a form of illusory attachment to thoughts of what if. You just need to take the next step and release those thoughts. Anxiety though it does have a neurochemical component it's normally perpetuated by compulsive repeated thoughts and imagery. You need to concentrate on releasing, replacing or transforming those thoughts into positive thoughts which you indicate you've done some of. If I knew more about exactly what those thoughts are and where they originated I might be able to offer more pertinent advice on how to dispel them.. Best, Edgar On May 10, 2013, at 3:29 PM, William Rintala wrote: > > I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind > says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I > know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been > meditating for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and > several times a day, when I am able. I've been to several psychiatrists > who've put me on a series of medications and they do help but the stronger > ones zombiefy me. I've been through years of psychotherapy and nothing has > really done a thing for me. I've written a daily affirmation that says > "Today I have an opportunity to help someone in need. I have a unique > opportunity to do some very real good , to make a difference in someone's > life. Just by being myself, Just by being here" And I truly believe that > and when I read it I truly feel it but minutes later the anxiety rages back > and I'm overwhelmed. > > I have a firm belief that meditation is the key to my recovery but the seed, > the core of this anxiety is resistant to everything that I do. > > As I write this I am reminded of a dream that I had several years ago. In > the dream I was a powerful wizard. I was able to destroy and defeat all of > my enemies except for one demon. This demon was in a seperate place, a room. > He was extremely powerful and immune to anything that I was able to bring > against him. In a deperate last effort I threw my arms around him in a > fierce bear hug. As I deperately crushed him to myself I began to say "I Love > You" "I Love You" "I Love You" over and over again. As I repeated this he > became weaker and smaller. Eventually he was so small that my arms were > literally wrapped around my own shoulders and I was hugging myself and > reciting "I Love You". The dream ended. > > Could the demon be my anxiety? Could learning to love myself be the key to > ending it? Is that wishful thinking? Any Zen/Meditation tips or > techniques, hints or suggestions would be helpful. > > After a medition earlier this week I realized that one thing that I keep > repeating with regards to anxiety provoking situations is the word NO. No > compresses me it causes me to curl up inside like an infant and scream > silently. I decided to start practicing YES when the anxiety hits me. Yes > opens me up helps me to accept the situation and my eyes clear. It accepts > the situation and allows me to be there. It is all so very painful. > > > Are any of you able to help? > > > >
[Zen] Anxiety
I am prone to paralyzing anxiety. "What if?" consumes me. My rational mind says that "there is nothing that could happen that I could not handle" and I know that. Anxiety has pretty much made me home bound. I've been meditating for several years now, daily, for 20 to 30 minutes at a sit and several times a day, when I am able. I've been to several psychiatrists who've put me on a series of medications and they do help but the stronger ones zombiefy me. I've been through years of psychotherapy and nothing has really done a thing for me. I've written a daily affirmation that says "Today I have an opportunity to help someone in need. I have a unique opportunity to do some very real good , to make a difference in someone's life. Just by being myself, Just by being here" And I truly believe that and when I read it I truly feel it but minutes later the anxiety rages back and I'm overwhelmed. I have a firm belief that meditation is the key to my recovery but the seed, the core of this anxiety is resistant to everything that I do. As I write this I am reminded of a dream that I had several years ago. In the dream I was a powerful wizard. I was able to destroy and defeat all of my enemies except for one demon. This demon was in a seperate place, a room. He was extremely powerful and immune to anything that I was able to bring against him. In a deperate last effort I threw my arms around him in a fierce bear hug. As I deperately crushed him to myself I began to say "I Love You" "I Love You" "I Love You" over and over again. As I repeated this he became weaker and smaller. Eventually he was so small that my arms were literally wrapped around my own shoulders and I was hugging myself and reciting "I Love You". The dream ended. Could the demon be my anxiety? Could learning to love myself be the key to ending it? Is that wishful thinking? Any Zen/Meditation tips or techniques, hints or suggestions would be helpful. After a medition earlier this week I realized that one thing that I keep repeating with regards to anxiety provoking situations is the word NO. No compresses me it causes me to curl up inside like an infant and scream silently. I decided to start practicing YES when the anxiety hits me. Yes opens me up helps me to accept the situation and my eyes clear. It accepts the situation and allows me to be there. It is all so very painful. Are any of you able to help?
Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen's words on a "True Teacher", and Practice
The "Buddha" in this usage is not the person known as Lord Buddha or Siddhartha Gautama but the concept of the Buddha. Do not act with the concept of "person" or "enlightened" or "good" or whatever. Just act. Especially, don't sit thinking there is some "you" that is cut off from other stuff that isn't "you". Just sit. Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:11 AM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > Dear Charles, > > You have quoted "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him" - > > How do you know person across you is a Buddha? In case you have > capability to recognise that he is Buddha, who gave you this > perception? Again it has to be a Buddha? It is like you want to kill > your own mother, How come you have become so ignorant? Buddha never > ever wanted to kill even an ant, and you call your self the follower > or following his path wanted to kill Buddha himself? > > Don't say just because someone has said, see your self the truth. > People are misguided by reading few books. Try to see how you are > influenced? Many are not even aware that they have been influenced. > > A person said to be in Buddha nature do not take any action either in > mind or in body. It happens, and when it happens it is always of love. > > best wishes > Suresh > > > -- > Thanks and best regards > J.Suresh > New No.3, Old No.7, > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > Alwarpet, > Chennai - 600018 > Ph: 044 42030947 > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
[Zen] Re: Dogen's words on a "True Teacher", and Practice
Dear Charles, You have quoted "If you come across the Buddha - Kill him" - How do you know person across you is a Buddha? In case you have capability to recognise that he is Buddha, who gave you this perception? Again it has to be a Buddha? It is like you want to kill your own mother, How come you have become so ignorant? Buddha never ever wanted to kill even an ant, and you call your self the follower or following his path wanted to kill Buddha himself? Don't say just because someone has said, see your self the truth. People are misguided by reading few books. Try to see how you are influenced? Many are not even aware that they have been influenced. A person said to be in Buddha nature do not take any action either in mind or in body. It happens, and when it happens it is always of love. best wishes Suresh -- Thanks and best regards J.Suresh New No.3, Old No.7, Chamiers road - 1st Lane, Alwarpet, Chennai - 600018 Ph: 044 42030947 Mobile: 91 9884071738 Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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time to relax..and go sight seeing..merle > >Subject: Full List | 360 Degree Aerial Panorama | 3D Virtual Tours Around the >World | Photos of the Most Interesting Places on the Earth | AirPano.com > > > >http://www.airpano.com/List-Aerial-Panoramas.php > > > > > > > > > > >
