Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Luca Boccassi]

https://zeromq.org/our-community/ and wiki have been updated, topics
have been updated too.

On Mon, 2021-05-24 at 09:46 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Seems like at libera.chat they solved the temporary issues they had,
> and registrations are back up. I registered both my nick and #zeromq to
> avoid squatting. If there are no strong objections, I'd propose to
> switch to libera.chat by the weekend.
> 
> On Fri, 2021-05-21 at 09:41 +0200, Arnaud Loonstra wrote:
> > I had lost track of the IRC channel after some move to slack years ago. 
> > Better dig up my IRC client again.
> > 
> > I have no preference so anything that's a preference for anyone.
> > 
> > Rg,
> > 
> > Arnaud
> > 
> > On 21-05-2021 08:55, Jim Melton wrote:
> > > FWIW, I registered my Freenode nick at libra.chat in about 2 minutes. 
> > > Not that hard
> > > --
> > > Jim Melton
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On May 19, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Luca Boccassi  > > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> > > > should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
> > > > 
> > > > https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> > > > to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> > > > right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> > > > hosts all Debian's channels.
> > > > 
> > > > Any preferences between the two?
> > > > 
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Luca Boccassi]

Seems like at libera.chat they solved the temporary issues they had,
and registrations are back up. I registered both my nick and #zeromq to
avoid squatting. If there are no strong objections, I'd propose to
switch to libera.chat by the weekend.

On Fri, 2021-05-21 at 09:41 +0200, Arnaud Loonstra wrote:
> I had lost track of the IRC channel after some move to slack years ago. 
> Better dig up my IRC client again.
> 
> I have no preference so anything that's a preference for anyone.
> 
> Rg,
> 
> Arnaud
> 
> On 21-05-2021 08:55, Jim Melton wrote:
> > FWIW, I registered my Freenode nick at libra.chat in about 2 minutes. 
> > Not that hard
> > --
> > Jim Melton
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On May 19, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Luca Boccassi  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> > > should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
> > > 
> > > https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> > > to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> > > right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> > > hosts all Debian's channels.
> > > 
> > > Any preferences between the two?
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Luca Boccassi
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Arnaud Loonstra]

I had lost track of the IRC channel after some move to slack years ago. 
Better dig up my IRC client again.


I have no preference so anything that's a preference for anyone.

Rg,

Arnaud

On 21-05-2021 08:55, Jim Melton wrote:
FWIW, I registered my Freenode nick at libra.chat in about 2 minutes. 
Not that hard

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On May 19, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Luca Boccassi > wrote:


Hi,

It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.

https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html 



The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
hosts all Debian's channels.

Any preferences between the two?

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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Jim Melton]

FWIW, I registered my Freenode nick at libra.chat in about 2 minutes. Not that 
hard
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> On May 19, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Luca Boccassi  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
> 
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
> 
> The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> hosts all Debian's channels.
> 
> Any preferences between the two?
> 
> -- 
> Kind regards,
> Luca Boccassi
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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[orzodk]

Quoting Luca Boccassi :


Hi,

It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.

https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html

The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
hosts all Debian's channels.

Any preferences between the two?



Freenode has always been rife with drama. My 2 cents would be to go with oftc.

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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Brett Viren]

Hi Luca,

2c from one IRC user:

I'd follow the channel just about anywhere that's not discourse/slack.
IRC is preferred but I would and do visit ZeroMQ matrix channels.

The most important thing in my mind is to maximize cohesiveness of the
FS/OSS IRC community.  I think OFTC would be a safe bet for that.  OTOH,
if libera indeed becomes "freenode, next generation", I'd like to see
the channel going there.  So, maybe some wait and see is best?

-Brett.

Luca Boccassi  writes:

> Hi,
>
> It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
>
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
>
> The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> hosts all Debian's channels.
>
> Any preferences between the two?


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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Benjamin Henrion]

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:14 PM Luca Boccassi  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 18:32 +0200, Benjamin Henrion wrote:
> > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:29 PM Luca Boccassi  
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> > > should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
> > >
> > > https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
> > >
> > > The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> > > to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> > > right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> > > hosts all Debian's channels.
> > >
> > > Any preferences between the two?
> >
> > A chat which is ZMQ based please, dogfooding is the most important
> > concept to learn from!
>
> 99.% of IRC usage is from new users asking questions as they use
> the project for the first time. The main requirement of the channel is
> thus ease of access for them, so being part of an established network
> where other open source projects are located is fundamental.
>
> Testing new clients/servers can be done by developers separately if
> desired, as something like that doesn't exist at all. Also we don't
> have the resources nor the time (nor the intention, from my side) to
> roll our own infrastructure, with all the massive headaches that brings
> in around security and privacy.

That was just trolling :-)

But we could learn from that discussion to setup a ZMQ based chat
server somewhere :-)

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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Luca Boccassi]

On Wed, 2021-05-19 at 18:32 +0200, Benjamin Henrion wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:29 PM Luca Boccassi  wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> > should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
> > 
> > https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
> > 
> > The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> > to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> > right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> > hosts all Debian's channels.
> > 
> > Any preferences between the two?
> 
> A chat which is ZMQ based please, dogfooding is the most important
> concept to learn from!

99.% of IRC usage is from new users asking questions as they use
the project for the first time. The main requirement of the channel is
thus ease of access for them, so being part of an established network
where other open source projects are located is fundamental.

Testing new clients/servers can be done by developers separately if
desired, as something like that doesn't exist at all. Also we don't
have the resources nor the time (nor the intention, from my side) to
roll our own infrastructure, with all the massive headaches that brings
in around security and privacy.

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Luca Boccassi


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Re: [zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Benjamin Henrion]

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 6:29 PM Luca Boccassi  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
> should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.
>
> https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html
>
> The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
> to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
> right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
> hosts all Debian's channels.
>
> Any preferences between the two?

A chat which is ZMQ based please, dogfooding is the most important
concept to learn from!

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[zeromq-dev] Moving IRC channel from freenode

[Luca Boccassi]

Hi,

It looks like Freenode has been subject to an hostile takeover. We
should move away the #zeromq IRC channel from it.

https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html

The former Freenode staff created a new domain, libera.chat - it seems
to be under heavy load and it's not possible to register nickanems
right now. There's also the pre-existing oftc.net, which for example
hosts all Debian's channels.

Any preferences between the two?

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Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi


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