Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Esa HekmatiZadeh]

Any effort, should be in the direction that increase the cost for censoring
and limiting access to resources. Iran government keep trying hard to
defeat TOR network, but I use it everyday. If free software communities
start to migrate from github, no matter where they are going but this
movement can effect the github itself and increase the risk of any
censoring or limitation in future.

On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 17:25 Benjamin Henrion,  wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:40 PM Bernd Petrovitsch
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 28/07/2019 21:58, Benjamin Henrion wrote:
> > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh 
> wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF
> foundation.
> > >
> > > Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
> > >
> > > As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
> >
> > Everyone just follow the geopolitical quarrels of the past months
> > (years?!) in the Persian Gulf/Strait of Hormuz and everything should be
> > pretty clear - if you like it or not ...
> >
> > > I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade sanctions
> > > with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the sense
> > > of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.
> >
> > Well, the US (as such;-) - at least the current administration - tries
> > to force every other country to follow the US' sanctions against Iran
> > (without offering anything in return BTW). Keeping international
> > contracts is since 3 years obviously also not on the to-do list ...
> >
> > > Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
> > > country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business with US
> > > businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those US
> > > sanctions.
> >
> > Basically you need to have servers in a country which is pretty robust
> > against political pressure from US (which limits the list very much[1])
> > and the ISP shouldn't have any assets in the US (and that makes it not
> > easier;-).
> >
> > > What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers don't
> > > have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting there.
> >
> > By definition, there is no place on Earth where no law exists (though it
> > - falsely - feels sometimes that way and though some folks - falsely -
> > claim that over e.g. the Internet).
> > But law folks seem to be clueless (or incompetent?;-) enough on "how to
> > implement" their national law in conjunction with international law/law
> > of nations in - more or less - global "infrastructure" with (quite)
> > heterogeneous national laws[0] - be it the bank/money business, the
> > oil/gas business or the Internet ...
>
> Any law maker can can any harmful legislation, but if this legislation
> cannot be enforced, the law is meaningless.
>
> Law enforcement agencies have already a hard time with TOR (which can
> be defeated with traffic analysis or DDOSes), but you would build a
> Github like system on top of Freenet.
>
> I guess lots of people are looking in this direction, decentralisation
> seems to be the simplest option to start with, but it is ultimately
> technically censorable in some countries and not in others.
>
> --
> Benjamin Henrion (zoobab)
> Email: zoobab at gmail.com
> Mobile: +32-484-566109
> Web: http://www.zoobab.com
> FFII.org Brussels
> "In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software
> patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
> Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
> software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
> court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
> favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
> democratically elected legislators."
>
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Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Benjamin Henrion]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 10:40 PM Bernd Petrovitsch
 wrote:
>
> On 28/07/2019 21:58, Benjamin Henrion wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh  
> > wrote:
> [...]
> >> https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF foundation.
> >
> > Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
> >
> > As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
>
> Everyone just follow the geopolitical quarrels of the past months
> (years?!) in the Persian Gulf/Strait of Hormuz and everything should be
> pretty clear - if you like it or not ...
>
> > I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade sanctions
> > with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the sense
> > of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.
>
> Well, the US (as such;-) - at least the current administration - tries
> to force every other country to follow the US' sanctions against Iran
> (without offering anything in return BTW). Keeping international
> contracts is since 3 years obviously also not on the to-do list ...
>
> > Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
> > country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business with US
> > businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those US
> > sanctions.
>
> Basically you need to have servers in a country which is pretty robust
> against political pressure from US (which limits the list very much[1])
> and the ISP shouldn't have any assets in the US (and that makes it not
> easier;-).
>
> > What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers don't
> > have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting there.
>
> By definition, there is no place on Earth where no law exists (though it
> - falsely - feels sometimes that way and though some folks - falsely -
> claim that over e.g. the Internet).
> But law folks seem to be clueless (or incompetent?;-) enough on "how to
> implement" their national law in conjunction with international law/law
> of nations in - more or less - global "infrastructure" with (quite)
> heterogeneous national laws[0] - be it the bank/money business, the
> oil/gas business or the Internet ...

Any law maker can can any harmful legislation, but if this legislation
cannot be enforced, the law is meaningless.

Law enforcement agencies have already a hard time with TOR (which can
be defeated with traffic analysis or DDOSes), but you would build a
Github like system on top of Freenet.

I guess lots of people are looking in this direction, decentralisation
seems to be the simplest option to start with, but it is ultimately
technically censorable in some countries and not in others.

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Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
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favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
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Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Harald Achitz]

git by its nature is already decentralized
using it with tools like github make it centralized



Am Mo., 29. Juli 2019 um 08:25 Uhr schrieb alex. :

> Alas, "hosting yourself" is a murky concept:
> - Do you run your service on a virtual server? Then who hosts your vServer?
> - Do you run your service on bare metal? Then who hosts your datacenter,
> where the metal is located?
> - Do you run your bare metal on your own internet connection? Then who
> is your provider?
>
> The fact of the matter is is that there is no jurisdiction-free
> cyberspace and moreover the jurisdictions of independent countries do
> slowly catch up to the technology. And such a debate is pointless
> anyway. It's also not the question at hand.
>
> So let's get back to the initial question: a decentralized git. The fact
> of the matter is is that git is a decentralized protocol. The irony of
> the matter is is that a lot of platforms spruced up leveraging git,
> adding incredible features - but being centralized. If C4 requires bug
> tracking and pull requests, then that is a problem for decentralization.
>
> However, it should be possible to make those platforms work in a
> decentralized manner. I.e. multiple entry-points for submitting, polling
> and reviewing. Note though that a decentralized infrastructure always
> comes at increased maintenance costs. Plus the development cost. But
> that's one option.
>
> Another option is we look into free (as in freedom and in beer) hosting
> alternatives outside of the US, e.g. in a EU-based datacenter. While "if
> a foreign company does business with US businesses but also Iranian
> businesses, it is a target of those US sanctions" is true, it's also
> true that the EU plans to reimburse that EU-based company's losses so as
> to nullify these sanctions.
>
> In any case, ZeroMQ is not the only dev project having these problems.
> Communication, concertation and solidarity is key here.
>
> alex.
>
> On 7/29/19 7:26 AM, Esa HekmatiZadeh wrote:
> > I checked gitlab service today and yes, gitlab also prevent Iranian
> access.
> > I'm not familliar with email based patching and development in this
> > style, also I think C4 requires bug tracking and pull request mechanism.
> > Harald is right and if you host gitlab yourself then you are free from
> > rules of hosting services.
> > It's not a matter if this host located in US, until it doesn't have any
> > trade. Like Savanneh service
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 03:02 Harald Achitz,  > > wrote:
> >
> > I think when you run gilab your own, you can run it on whatever
> > server you want in any country, and can allow access to whom ever
> > you want
> > of course, for free hosting you need to follow the rules of the one
> > who does the hosting for you
> >
> > so there are 2 aspects, the git software, which is git,
> > usermanangment, issue tracker, etc...,
> > github gitlab bitbucket gitteaGogs,  the list is rather long
> >
> > and the git software hosting, where some have the same name as their
> > produces, github gitlab bitbucket,
> > so there are companies that provide a hosting service and of you use
> > their services and you have to follow the rules of them
> >
> > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting
> >
> > the problem is, if there is no financial baking, and you are
> > depended on free services , the non US options seem to be limited
> >
> > I heard / read that kernel devs still use mail ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 22:02 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Henrion
> > mailto:zoo...@gmail.com>>:
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh
> > mailto:esa.hek...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Benjamin
> > > Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday
> > GitHub suspended my account because I live in Iran. There are a
> > long list of platforms and even free software websites that are
> > forbidden for countries you have mentioned and I think this is
> > completely against freedom.
> >
> > I just moved myself to Iran for Github software development:
> >
> > https://github.com/zoobab
> >
> > > Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet, also
> > GItlab is GPL licensed and we can host it ourself in a
> > subdomain, for example, gitlab.zeromq.org
> >  but this approach requires extra
> > maintenance and a server to run Gitlab.
> >
> > It seems Gitlab.com is also based in the US.
> >
> > > https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF
> > foundation.
> >
> > Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
> >
> > As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
> >
> > I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade
> > sanctions
> > 

Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[alex.]

Alas, "hosting yourself" is a murky concept:
- Do you run your service on a virtual server? Then who hosts your vServer?
- Do you run your service on bare metal? Then who hosts your datacenter,
where the metal is located?
- Do you run your bare metal on your own internet connection? Then who
is your provider?

The fact of the matter is is that there is no jurisdiction-free
cyberspace and moreover the jurisdictions of independent countries do
slowly catch up to the technology. And such a debate is pointless
anyway. It's also not the question at hand.

So let's get back to the initial question: a decentralized git. The fact
of the matter is is that git is a decentralized protocol. The irony of
the matter is is that a lot of platforms spruced up leveraging git,
adding incredible features - but being centralized. If C4 requires bug
tracking and pull requests, then that is a problem for decentralization.

However, it should be possible to make those platforms work in a
decentralized manner. I.e. multiple entry-points for submitting, polling
and reviewing. Note though that a decentralized infrastructure always
comes at increased maintenance costs. Plus the development cost. But
that's one option.

Another option is we look into free (as in freedom and in beer) hosting
alternatives outside of the US, e.g. in a EU-based datacenter. While "if
a foreign company does business with US businesses but also Iranian
businesses, it is a target of those US sanctions" is true, it's also
true that the EU plans to reimburse that EU-based company's losses so as
to nullify these sanctions.

In any case, ZeroMQ is not the only dev project having these problems.
Communication, concertation and solidarity is key here.

alex.

On 7/29/19 7:26 AM, Esa HekmatiZadeh wrote:
> I checked gitlab service today and yes, gitlab also prevent Iranian access. 
> I'm not familliar with email based patching and development in this
> style, also I think C4 requires bug tracking and pull request mechanism. 
> Harald is right and if you host gitlab yourself then you are free from
> rules of hosting services. 
> It's not a matter if this host located in US, until it doesn't have any
> trade. Like Savanneh service
> 
> 
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 03:02 Harald Achitz,  > wrote:
> 
> I think when you run gilab your own, you can run it on whatever
> server you want in any country, and can allow access to whom ever
> you want
> of course, for free hosting you need to follow the rules of the one
> who does the hosting for you
> 
> so there are 2 aspects, the git software, which is git,
> usermanangment, issue tracker, etc...,
> github gitlab bitbucket gitteaGogs,  the list is rather long
> 
> and the git software hosting, where some have the same name as their
> produces, github gitlab bitbucket,
> so there are companies that provide a hosting service and of you use
> their services and you have to follow the rules of them
> 
> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting
> 
> the problem is, if there is no financial baking, and you are
> depended on free services , the non US options seem to be limited
> 
> I heard / read that kernel devs still use mail ...
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 22:02 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Henrion
> mailto:zoo...@gmail.com>>:
> 
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh
> mailto:esa.hek...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Benjamin
> > Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday
> GitHub suspended my account because I live in Iran. There are a
> long list of platforms and even free software websites that are
> forbidden for countries you have mentioned and I think this is
> completely against freedom.
> 
> I just moved myself to Iran for Github software development:
> 
> https://github.com/zoobab
> 
> > Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet, also
> GItlab is GPL licensed and we can host it ourself in a
> subdomain, for example, gitlab.zeromq.org
>  but this approach requires extra
> maintenance and a server to run Gitlab.
> 
> It seems Gitlab.com is also based in the US.
> 
> > https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF
> foundation.
> 
> Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
> 
> As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
> 
> I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade
> sanctions
> with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the
> sense
> of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.
> 
> Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
> country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business
> with US
> businesses but al

Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Esa HekmatiZadeh]

I checked gitlab service today and yes, gitlab also prevent Iranian access.
I'm not familliar with email based patching and development in this style,
also I think C4 requires bug tracking and pull request mechanism.
Harald is right and if you host gitlab yourself then you are free from
rules of hosting services.
It's not a matter if this host located in US, until it doesn't have any
trade. Like Savanneh service


On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 03:02 Harald Achitz,  wrote:

> I think when you run gilab your own, you can run it on whatever server you
> want in any country, and can allow access to whom ever you want
> of course, for free hosting you need to follow the rules of the one who
> does the hosting for you
>
> so there are 2 aspects, the git software, which is git, usermanangment,
> issue tracker, etc...,
> github gitlab bitbucket gitteaGogs,  the list is rather long
>
> and the git software hosting, where some have the same name as their
> produces, github gitlab bitbucket,
> so there are companies that provide a hosting service and of you use their
> services and you have to follow the rules of them
>
> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting
>
> the problem is, if there is no financial baking, and you are depended on
> free services , the non US options seem to be limited
>
> I heard / read that kernel devs still use mail ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 22:02 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Henrion <
> zoo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Benjamin
>> > Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday GitHub
>> suspended my account because I live in Iran. There are a long list of
>> platforms and even free software websites that are forbidden for countries
>> you have mentioned and I think this is completely against freedom.
>>
>> I just moved myself to Iran for Github software development:
>>
>> https://github.com/zoobab
>>
>> > Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet, also GItlab is GPL
>> licensed and we can host it ourself in a subdomain, for example,
>> gitlab.zeromq.org but this approach requires extra maintenance and a
>> server to run Gitlab.
>>
>> It seems Gitlab.com is also based in the US.
>>
>> > https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF
>> foundation.
>>
>> Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
>>
>> As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
>>
>> I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade sanctions
>> with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the sense
>> of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.
>>
>> Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
>> country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business with US
>> businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those US
>> sanctions.
>>
>> What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers don't
>> have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting there.
>> ZeroMQ might be one of those bricks.
>>
>> --
>> Benjamin Henrion (zoobab)
>> Email: zoobab at gmail.com
>> Mobile: +32-484-566109
>> Web: http://www.zoobab.com
>> FFII.org Brussels
>> "In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software
>> patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
>> Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
>> software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
>> court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
>> favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
>> democratically elected legislators."
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Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Harald Achitz]

I think when you run gilab your own, you can run it on whatever server you
want in any country, and can allow access to whom ever you want
of course, for free hosting you need to follow the rules of the one who
does the hosting for you

so there are 2 aspects, the git software, which is git, usermanangment,
issue tracker, etc...,
github gitlab bitbucket gitteaGogs,  the list is rather long

and the git software hosting, where some have the same name as their
produces, github gitlab bitbucket,
so there are companies that provide a hosting service and of you use their
services and you have to follow the rules of them

https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting

the problem is, if there is no financial baking, and you are depended on
free services , the non US options seem to be limited

I heard / read that kernel devs still use mail ...










Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 22:02 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Henrion <
zoo...@gmail.com>:

> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Benjamin
> > Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday GitHub
> suspended my account because I live in Iran. There are a long list of
> platforms and even free software websites that are forbidden for countries
> you have mentioned and I think this is completely against freedom.
>
> I just moved myself to Iran for Github software development:
>
> https://github.com/zoobab
>
> > Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet, also GItlab is GPL
> licensed and we can host it ourself in a subdomain, for example,
> gitlab.zeromq.org but this approach requires extra maintenance and a
> server to run Gitlab.
>
> It seems Gitlab.com is also based in the US.
>
> > https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF foundation.
>
> Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.
>
> As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.
>
> I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade sanctions
> with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the sense
> of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.
>
> Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
> country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business with US
> businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those US
> sanctions.
>
> What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers don't
> have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting there.
> ZeroMQ might be one of those bricks.
>
> --
> Benjamin Henrion (zoobab)
> Email: zoobab at gmail.com
> Mobile: +32-484-566109
> Web: http://www.zoobab.com
> FFII.org Brussels
> "In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software
> patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
> Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
> software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
> court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
> favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
> democratically elected legislators."
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Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Benjamin Henrion]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh  wrote:
>
> Hi Benjamin
> Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday GitHub suspended my 
> account because I live in Iran. There are a long list of platforms and even 
> free software websites that are forbidden for countries you have mentioned 
> and I think this is completely against freedom.

I just moved myself to Iran for Github software development:

https://github.com/zoobab

> Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet, also GItlab is GPL 
> licensed and we can host it ourself in a subdomain, for example, 
> gitlab.zeromq.org but this approach requires extra maintenance and a server 
> to run Gitlab.

It seems Gitlab.com is also based in the US.

> https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF foundation.

Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States.

As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost.

I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade sanctions
with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the sense
of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran.

Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another
country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business with US
businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those US
sanctions.

What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers don't
have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting there.
ZeroMQ might be one of those bricks.

--
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Email: zoobab at gmail.com
Mobile: +32-484-566109
Web: http://www.zoobab.com
FFII.org Brussels
"In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software
patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
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Re: [zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Esa HekmatiZadeh]

Hi Benjamin
Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday GitHub suspended
my account because I live in Iran. There are a long list of platforms and
even free software websites that are forbidden for countries you have
mentioned and I think this is completely against freedom.
Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet,  also GItlab is GPL
licensed and we can host it ourself in a subdomain, for example,
gitlab.zeromq.org but this approach requires extra maintenance and a server
to run Gitlab.
https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF foundation.

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 1:12 PM Benjamin Henrion  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There is now a growing discussion about decentralizing git (and Github
> following Trump trade sanctions against devs and businesses in Iran,
> Cuba, Syria, Sudan, North Korea, Crimea and al).
>
> The original way to do Git development was through mailing-lists,
> where PRs could be sent and discussed. It basically follows the pubsub
> tolopogy. I am wondering how zeromq could be used in such context.
>
> If you have ideas, feel free to post them here.
>
> There has been discussions in the past to switch Zeromq to Gitlab.com,
> which unfortnately seems to be also bound by US law.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Benjamin Henrion (zoobab)
> Email: zoobab at gmail.com
> Mobile: +32-484-566109
> Web: http://www.zoobab.com
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> patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
> Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
> software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
> court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
> favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
> democratically elected legislators."
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[zeromq-dev] decentralize git with pub/sub

[Benjamin Henrion]

Hi,

There is now a growing discussion about decentralizing git (and Github
following Trump trade sanctions against devs and businesses in Iran,
Cuba, Syria, Sudan, North Korea, Crimea and al).

The original way to do Git development was through mailing-lists,
where PRs could be sent and discussed. It basically follows the pubsub
tolopogy. I am wondering how zeromq could be used in such context.

If you have ideas, feel free to post them here.

There has been discussions in the past to switch Zeromq to Gitlab.com,
which unfortnately seems to be also bound by US law.

Best,

--
Benjamin Henrion (zoobab)
Email: zoobab at gmail.com
Mobile: +32-484-566109
Web: http://www.zoobab.com
FFII.org Brussels
"In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software
patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy.
Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of
software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent
court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their
favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or
democratically elected legislators."
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