Re: [zfs-discuss] what have you been buying for slog and l2arc?

2012-08-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:39:55PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote:

 For the slog, you should look for a SLC technology SSD which saves  
 unwritten data on power failure.  In Intel-speak, this is called  
 Enhanced Power Loss Data Protection.  I am not running across any  
 Intel SSDs which claim to match these requirements.

The 
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-710-series.html
seems to qualify:

Enhanced power-loss data protection. Saves all cached data in the process of 
being 
written before the Intel SSD 710 Series shuts down, which helps minimize 
potential 
data loss in the event of an unexpected system power loss.

 Extreme write IOPS claims in consumer SSDs are normally based on large  
 write caches which can lose even more data if there is a power failure.

Intel 311 with a good UPS would seem to be a reasonable tradeoff.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] what have you been buying for slog and l2arc?

2012-08-04 Thread Hung-Sheng Tsao (LaoTsao) Ph.D
hi

may be check out stec ssd
or  checkout the service manual of sun zfs appliance service manual
to see the read and write ssd in the system
regards


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On Aug 3, 2012, at 22:05, Hung-Sheng Tsao (LaoTsao) Ph.D laot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

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 On Aug 3, 2012, at 21:39, Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us 
 wrote:
 
 On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Karl Rossing wrote:
 
 I'm looking at 
 http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-ssd.html
  wondering what I should get.
 
 Are people getting intel 330's for l2arc and 520's for slog?
 
 For the slog, you should look for a SLC technology SSD which saves unwritten 
 data on power failure.  In Intel-speak, this is called Enhanced Power Loss 
 Data Protection.  I am not running across any Intel SSDs which claim to 
 match these requirements.
 
 Extreme write IOPS claims in consumer SSDs are normally based on large write 
 caches which can lose even more data if there is a power failure.
 
 Bob
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Missing disk space

2012-08-04 Thread Stefan Ring
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Burt Hailey bhai...@triunesystems.com wrote:
 We do hourly snapshots.   Two days ago I deleted 100GB of
 data and did not see a corresponding increase in snapshot sizes.  I’m new to
 zfs and am reading the zfs admin handbook but I wanted to post this to get
 some suggestions on what to look at.

Use

$ zfs get usedbysnapshots file_system,

and you will see where the space went. Listing the snapshots and
looking at the USED column does not give you this information because
it only shows what would be freed if _only_ this snapshot were
destroyed. By destroying all of them, a lot more might become
available.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] what have you been buying for slog and l2arc?

2012-08-04 Thread Bob Friesenhahn

On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Neil Perrin wrote:


For the slog, you should look for a SLC technology SSD which saves 
unwritten data on power failure.  In Intel-speak, this is called Enhanced 
Power Loss Data Protection.  I am not running across any Intel SSDs which 
claim to match these requirements.


- That shouldn't be necessary. ZFS flushes the write cache for any device 
written before returning

from the synchronous request to ensure data stability.


Yes, but the problem is that the write IOPS go way way down (and 
device lifetime suffers) if the device is not able to perform write 
caching.  A consumer-grade device advertizing 70K write IOPS is 
definitely not going to offer anything like that if it actually 
flushes its cache when requested.  A device with a reserve of energy 
sufficient to write its cache to backing FLASH on power fail will be 
able to defer cache flush requests.


Bob
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