Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun
I believe the SmartArray is an LSI like the Dell PERC isn't it? Best Regards, Jason On 1/23/07, Robert Suh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: People trying to hack together systems might want to look at the HP DL320s http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ss/WF05a/15351-241434-241475-241475 -f79-3232017.html 12 drive bays, Intel Woodcrest, SAS (and SATA) controller. If you snoop around, you might be able to find drive carriers on eBay or elsewhere (*cough* search "HP drive sleds" "HP drive carriers") $3k for the chassis. A mini thumper. Though I'm not sure if Solaris supports the Smart Array controller. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:17 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun I'm dying here - does anyone know when or even if they will support these? I had this whole setup planned out but it requires eSATA + port multipliers. I want to use ZFS, but currently cannot in that fashion. I'd still have to buy some [more expensive, noisier, bulky internal drive] solution for ZFS. Unless anyone has other ideas. I'm looking to run a 5-10 drive system (with easy ability to expand) in my home office; not in a datacenter. Even opening up to iSCSI seems to not get me much - there aren't any SOHO type NAS enclosures that act as iSCSI targets. There are however handfuls of eSATA based 4, 5, and 10 drive enclosures perfect for this... but all require the port multiplier support. On 1/22/07, Frank Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately, Solaris does not support SATA port multipliers (yet) so > I think you're pretty limited in how many esata drives you can connect. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
RE: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun
People trying to hack together systems might want to look at the HP DL320s http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ss/WF05a/15351-241434-241475-241475 -f79-3232017.html 12 drive bays, Intel Woodcrest, SAS (and SATA) controller. If you snoop around, you might be able to find drive carriers on eBay or elsewhere (*cough* search "HP drive sleds" "HP drive carriers") $3k for the chassis. A mini thumper. Though I'm not sure if Solaris supports the Smart Array controller. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:17 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun I'm dying here - does anyone know when or even if they will support these? I had this whole setup planned out but it requires eSATA + port multipliers. I want to use ZFS, but currently cannot in that fashion. I'd still have to buy some [more expensive, noisier, bulky internal drive] solution for ZFS. Unless anyone has other ideas. I'm looking to run a 5-10 drive system (with easy ability to expand) in my home office; not in a datacenter. Even opening up to iSCSI seems to not get me much - there aren't any SOHO type NAS enclosures that act as iSCSI targets. There are however handfuls of eSATA based 4, 5, and 10 drive enclosures perfect for this... but all require the port multiplier support. On 1/22/07, Frank Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately, Solaris does not support SATA port multipliers (yet) so > I think you're pretty limited in how many esata drives you can connect. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun
I'm dying here - does anyone know when or even if they will support these? I had this whole setup planned out but it requires eSATA + port multipliers. I want to use ZFS, but currently cannot in that fashion. I'd still have to buy some [more expensive, noisier, bulky internal drive] solution for ZFS. Unless anyone has other ideas. I'm looking to run a 5-10 drive system (with easy ability to expand) in my home office; not in a datacenter. Even opening up to iSCSI seems to not get me much - there aren't any SOHO type NAS enclosures that act as iSCSI targets. There are however handfuls of eSATA based 4, 5, and 10 drive enclosures perfect for this... but all require the port multiplier support. On 1/22/07, Frank Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Unfortunately, Solaris does not support SATA port multipliers (yet) so I think you're pretty limited in how many esata drives you can connect. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun
On January 22, 2007 12:03:51 PM -0800 "David J. Orman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know it seems ridiculous to HAVE to buy a 3rd party card, but come on it is only $50 or so. Assuming you don't need both pci slots for other uses. I do. Two would have gone to external access for a JBOD (if that ever gets sorted out, haha) - most external adapters seem to support 4 disks. You can't actually use those adapters in the x2100/x2200 or even the x4100/x4200. The slots are "MD2" low profile slots and the 4 port adapters require a full height slot. Even the x4600 only has MD2 slots. So you can only use 2 port adapters. I think there are esata cards that use the infiniband (SAS style) connector, which will fit in an MD2 slot and still access 4 drives, but I'm not aware of any that Solaris supports. Unfortunately, Solaris does not support SATA port multipliers (yet) so I think you're pretty limited in how many esata drives you can connect. External SAS is pretty much a non-starter on Solaris (today) so I think you're left with iscsi or FC if you need more than just a few drives and you want to use Sun servers instead of building your own. -frank ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun
On January 22, 2007 12:03:51 PM -0800 "David J. Orman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd much prefer Sun products, however - I just expect them to support Sun's flagship OS, and be supported fully. I'm going to look into the X4* series assuming they don't have such problems with supported boot disk mirroring/hot plugging/etc. I have had great success with an x4100. It just works. I wish it had OBP or EFI instead of the BIOS, but whatever. -frank ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Re: External drive enclosures + Sun
> I know it seems ridiculous to HAVE to buy a 3rd party > card, but come > on it is only $50 or so. Assuming you don't need > both pci slots for > other uses. I do. Two would have gone to external access for a JBOD (if that ever gets sorted out, haha) - most external adapters seem to support 4 disks. > I personally wouldn't want to deal with "PC" hardware > suppliers directly. Neither would I, hence looking to Sun. :) > Putting together and maintaining those kinds of > systems is a PITA. Well, the Supermicro and Tyan systems generally are not. > The > $50 is worth it. Assuming it will work. Herein lies the problem, more following... > Especially > under the startup > program you're going to have as good or better prices > from Sun, With the program, the prices are still more than I would pay from Supermicro/Tyan, but they are acceptably higher as the integration/support would be much better, of course. Except, this does not seem the case on the X2* series. > and > good support. Here is the big problem. I'd be buying a piece of Sun hardware specifically for this reason, already paying more (even with the startup essentials program) - but do you think Sun is going to support that SAS/SATA controller I bought? If something doesn't work, or later gets broken (for example, the driver disappears/breaks in a later version of Solaris) - what will I do then? Nothing. :) Might as well buy whitebox if I'm going to build the system out in a whitebox-way. ;) I'd much prefer Sun products, however - I just expect them to support Sun's flagship OS, and be supported fully. I'm going to look into the X4* series assuming they don't have such problems with supported boot disk mirroring/hot plugging/etc. Thanks, David This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
