Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD (SLC) for cache...

2009-08-30 Thread Marcelo Leal
Thanks Adam,
 So, if i understand well, the MLC SSD more appropriate for read cache is more 
theory than pratice right now. Right? I mean, SUN is just using SLC SSD's? 
 That would explain the only support for SLC on SUN hardware (x42xx) series.
 Thanks again.

 Leal
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Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD (SLC) for cache...

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Leventhal
My question is about SSD, and the differences between use SLC for  
readzillas instead of MLC.


Sun uses MLCs for Readzillas for their 7000 series. I would think  
that if SLCs (which are generally more expensive) were really  
needed, they would be used.


That's not entirely accurate. In the 7410 and 7310 today (the members  
of the Sun Storage 7000 series that support Readzilla) we use SLC  
SSDs. We're exploring the use of MLC.


Perhaps someone on the Fishworks team could give more details, but  
by going what I've read and seen, MLCs should be sufficient for the  
L2ARC. Save your money.



That's our assessment, but it's highly dependent on the specific  
characteristics of the MLC NAND itself, the SSD controller, and, of  
course, the workload.


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Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD (SLC) for cache...

2009-08-11 Thread David Magda
On Tue, August 11, 2009 09:24, Marcelo Leal wrote:

  Many companies (including SUN), has just hardware with support to SLC...
 as i need both, i just want to hear your experiences about use SLC SSD
 for ZFS cache. One point is cost, but i want to know if the performance
 is much different, because the two are created specifically to provide
 better latency for one or another operation.

The cost of an SLC SSD is a lot cheaper than trying to get the same
performance from purchasing many disks so you have a lot of spindles (you
usually have to purchase 15 krpm). Here is one example of some of the
performance increases that can be had:

http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/slog_screenshots

Of course what you get depends on your actual workload.

 If is not big deal, i will use some hardware (eg.: x4275) using just SLC
 for readzilas and logs.

It would probably be more cost effective to purchase SLC(s) for ZIL logs,
but MLC SSD(s) for readzillas. This is what Sun does in their 7000 series
storage appliances:

http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/l2arc_screenshots

Again, what you personally get would depend on workload.


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Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD (SLC) for cache...

2009-08-11 Thread David Magda

On Aug 11, 2009, at 17:07, Marcelo Leal wrote:

My question is about SSD, and the differences between use SLC for  
readzillas instead of MLC.


Sun uses MLCs for Readzillas for their 7000 series. I would think that  
if SLCs (which are generally more expensive) were really needed, they  
would be used.


Perhaps someone on the Fishworks team could give more details, but by  
going what I've read and seen, MLCs should be sufficient for the  
L2ARC. Save your money.



Of course, SLCs will work just fine, it's just that there's no real  
advantage.


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