Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
The problem with that is that I'd need to mirror them to guard against failure, 
I'd loose storage capacity, and the peak throughput would be horrible when 
compared to the array.

I'd be sacrificing streaming speed for random write speed, whereas with a PCIe 
nvram card I can have my cake an eat it.

ps.  Yes, I'm greedy :D
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-10 Thread Ross
Yes, but that talks about Flash systems, and the end of the year.  My concern 
is whether Sun will also be releasing flash add-on cards that we can make use 
of elsewhere, including on already purchased Sun kit.
 
Much as I'd love to see Sun add a lightning fast flash boosted server to their 
x64 range, that's not going to help me with ZFS and my existing hardware.  I'd 
really like to know if Sun have any plans for a PCI-X or PCI-E flash card with 
Solaris drivers, and if they don't have any plans along those lines, I'd love 
to see some Solaris drivers for the Fusion-io product.
 
Ross
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-09 Thread Al Hopper
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Gilberto Mautner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Anyway, are there other devices out there that you would recommend to use as
> a slog device, other than this nvram card, that would present similar
> performance gains?

Not that this will get you "similar performance gains" - but don't
overlook putting a couple of small 15k RPM SAS disk drives in the box.
 They work great with ZFS and really help out those poor SATA drives
when ZFS starts beating up on them.And it also helps if you can't
put more RAM in the box.

Conduct your own "experiments" with 15k SAS drives as slog/cache
devices.  Worst case scenario, you'll simply end up using them as ZFS
vdevs.  :)

Regards,

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Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-09 Thread Richard Elling
Ross wrote:
> PS.  I note on the Fusion-io web page that they're working with HP to 
> accelerate their servers.  Would be nice if somebody from Sun could do the 
> same (or let us know if Sun are working on similar technology).
>   

I thought the cat was already out of the bag... :-)
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/not_a_flash_in_the
 -- richard

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Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-09 Thread Ross
PS.  I note on the Fusion-io web page that they're working with HP to 
accelerate their servers.  Would be nice if somebody from Sun could do the same 
(or let us know if Sun are working on similar technology).
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-09 Thread Ross
I'm not personally aware of any.  The ioDrive from Fusion-io looks the most 
promising, but it's a new product from a new company so it's likely to be a 
while (if ever) before Solaris drivers appear.  I've contacted them to ask 
about Solaris drivers, but haven't had a response yet.

I summarised my findings in a long post about 2/3 of the way down this thread:
http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=65074&tstart=30
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] slog device

2008-07-08 Thread Gilberto Mautner
Hi,

Anyway, are there other devices out there that you would recommend to use as
a slog device, other than this nvram card, that would present similar
performance gains?

Thanks

Gilberto


On 7/8/08 9:40 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Ross wrote:
>> Hi Gilberto,
>> 
>> I bought a Micro Memory card too, so I'm very likely going to end up in the
>> same boat. 
>> I saw Neil Perrin's blog about the MM-5425 card, found that Vmetro don't seem
>> to want
>> to sell them, but then then last week spotted five of those cards on e-bay so
>> snapped
>> them up.
>> 
>> I'm still waiting for the hardware for this server, but regarding the
>> drivers, if these
>> cards don't work out of the box I was planning to pester Neil Perrin and see
>> if he still
>> has some drivers for them :)
> 
> Unfortunately, there are a couple of problems:
> 
> 1. It's been a while since I used that board and driver.   I recently tried
> pkgadd-ing on
>the latest Nevada build and it hung. I'm not sure if the latest Nevada is
> somehow
>incompatible. I didn't have time to track down the cause.
> 
> 2. I received the board and driver from another group within Sun.
>It would be better to contact Micro Memory (or whoever took them
>over) directly, as it's not my place to give out 3rd party drivers
>or provide support for them.
> 
> Sorry for the bad news: Neil.

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