Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-22 Thread Andreas GrĂ¼ninger
You may have a look in the whitepaper from Torsten Frueauf.
see here http://sun.systemnews.com/articles/137/4/OpenSolaris/22016

This should give you the functionality of a DRBD-Cluster.

Andreas
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-22 Thread tranceash
Hi Richard

What do you mean by A mirror would be simple do you mean to use zfs send and 
receive. Also is the auto-cdp plugin free with nexenstor developer.
Is there a detailed explaination of AVS where they explain all the companents 
involved like what is bitmap for etc. If AVS is there around for some time 
where are books explaining this technolgy, Does anyone use it in production as 
seems to me it has a lot problems in terms of performance.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-22 Thread tranceash
Hi Andreas ,
The paper looks good are any basic examples on AVS or open-ha that explains the 
componets throughly and guides. What books or resource you recommend I get more 
information about this as I cant find any books
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-22 Thread Andreas GrĂ¼ninger
If you read this
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/download/Project+colorado/files/Whitepaper-OpenHAClusterOnOpenSolaris-external.pdf
and especially starting at page 25 you will find a detailed explanation how to 
implement a storage cluster with shared storage based on Comstar and ISCSI.
If you want to install on physical hardware just ignore the installation and 
configuration of VirtualBox.
IMHO simpler than AVS.

Regards

Andreas
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-22 Thread tranceash
Hi Andreas 
I will explain to you what I need . You say IMHO is simpler than AVS thats good 
.
I have setup 2 nexentacore boxes with zfs pools and nfs on the first node. Now 
I need to install the open-ha cluster software with non shared disks. 
I now need to make zfs with nfs HA. I understand the concepts of HA where one 
needs to have heartbeat, disks and failover configs created. 
Is there examples on this setup I can work with. Dont get me wrong comstar is 
good but not fast as nfs.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:32 AM, c.hanover wrote:

 In my earlier investigations of ZFS, I ran across a product called StorageTek 
 Availability Suite that sounds like it might do what you want.  If I recall 
 correctly, it would allow you to define devices that are actually hosted on 
 another server, and you could use ZFS to mirror those devices.  That, 
 unfortunately, is the extent of my knowledge on that product.

Yes.  In NexentaStor, this is the Auto-CDP plugin.  

For OpenSolaris, this was demonstrated by Jim Dunham a few years ago at:
http:blogs.sun.com/AVS

However, that blog seems to be gone. You can google zfs avs for more 
pointers, but be
aware of PSARC/2010/060 EOF of Availability Suite (AVS), which is not a public 
case in
the ARC caselogs
http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/

Finally, products which do block-device-level replication have a tendency to be 
slow
because you are serializing a parallel activity.  Be sure to test with your 
configuration
to ensure your performance goals are achievable. There are some architecture 
choices
which can help somewhat, but Amdahl's Law still applies.
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 On Apr 21, 2010, at 6:16 AM, tranceash wrote:
 
 I have setup 2 servers with zfs pools I want to replicate continously to the 
 second server is there a way I can do it with zfs are there any examples I 
 can follow to build this setup. There are no good books on opensolaris 
 explaining this method. 
 
 Also are there a script repository for zfs stuff.
 
 I dont find a lot of resources dedicated to zfs which I think is an amazing 
 fs system.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-21 Thread tranceash
Hi Richard

I was looking at nexentastor developer edition and I see they have given it a 
nice gui 
but I cant configure auto-cdp plugin can I configure it through the shell.

Also if the performance is problem what other options are there for a high 
availability zfs system across 2 systems.

In linux we have something called DRBD and it works very well unfortunately we 
don't have zfs native only through fuse which is not usable at all.

Also can you recommend me some example configuration or books that I can refer 
to building this as I am from linux background and dont know much about solaris.
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Re: [zfs-discuss] build a zfs continuous data replication in opensolaris

2010-04-21 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:41 PM, tranceash wrote:

 Hi Richard
 
 I was looking at nexentastor developer edition and I see they have given it a 
 nice gui 
 but I cant configure auto-cdp plugin can I configure it through the shell.

The auto-cdp plugin is managed through nmc.  It is simple to manage
and well documented in the NexentaStor User's Guide.

 Also if the performance is problem what other options are there for a high 
 availability zfs system across 2 systems.

It depends on the business requirements.  A mirror would be simple,
but doesn't offer temporal protection. Snapshots offer temporal protection,
but are not continuous.

 In linux we have something called DRBD and it works very well unfortunately 
 we don't have zfs native only through fuse which is not usable at all.

drbd is like AVS or Nexenta's auto-CDP.

 Also can you recommend me some example configuration or books that I can 
 refer to building this as I am from linux background and dont know much about 
 solaris.

The aforementioned ZFS+AVS blog was quite good. Complain to Oracle that
they deleted it.  Fortunately, it looks like the recording still works
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+avs/AVS%2DZFS%2DDemo%2DV1
The AVS project page is http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+avs/
 -- richard

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