Re: [Zim-wiki] Evernote/Footnote-like UI change?
Sorry if this is mostly OT, but I'm excited by Zim's possibilities and would like to introduce myself to the list with a bit of context as to what's brought me here. I have used Evernote as my brain extension for many years now, to the point where I've got over 50,000 nodes in dozens of ENB files, mostly snippets and web-page extracts/annotated bookmarks, but some book-length full-fledged structured references. I've stuck with v2.2 since I don't like my private data out in the cloud, and the v3 upgrade got rid of truly hierarchical organization of tags, including the ability for a given tag to have multiple locations in the tree (directed acyclic graphs for those au fait on such things). Over the past year, I've tried to cut down on adding new content to EN, keeping more and more in plaintext files with a folder hierarchy providing the main organisational categorisation, coupled with full- text search. I've been using txt2tags syntax, but recently have considered moving over to pandoc's extended markdown or reST/Sphinx. The main tools I've been looking at are the Python-based outliner/coding editor Leo, and DokuWiki. The former uses reSt, the latter as you know is proprietary, but both work fine (as I assume Zim would) using whatever markup syntax you like as long as you're happy working with plain-text, only getting pretty formatting with the final converted output in the target formats output by your toolchain. I **highly** recommend the Zim developers consider Evernote's (old- school version) for UI ideas as well as the tagging organization. I would really love to see Zim get the ability to show multiple pages as a result of clicking on a tag, and ideally the ability to do and/or filtering as well. Evernote has the ability to only show the first X lines of each document to handle the issue of longer pages hogging the visual bandwidth of the data stream, but in practice I rarely used it, a few PgDn's or scrollbar clicks usually handles it, and once the container app has these abilities, one usually keeps content in much smaller chunks - finer granularity supporting more accurate tagging. I am however intrigued by the idea of inline tagging where terms apply to individual paragraphs (divs?) rather than only to entire nodes (pages). Just as with DokuWiki, the fact that Zim's markup is not supported by third-party conversion tools to more mainstream documentation formats is a major roadblock for me - if I were rich I'd sponsor bounties - if I were really rich I'd learn to program 8-) Anyway, sorry it took you so long just to get my 2¢, I'll try to be more respectful of list bandwidth in future. . . -- This message was sent from Launchpad by HansBKK (https://launchpad.net/~hansbkk) using the Contact this team link on the Zim team page (https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki). For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Zim-wiki] txt2tags support
According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Txt2tags, but no where else I've found, Zim supports exporting to txt2tags. Was/is this (still/ever) true? If no, could someone please make it so? In either case, I'd suggest correcting the errors/omissions in appropriate locations for greater clarity and consistency. Actually I'd prefer pandocs-extended markdown and/or reST/Sphinx, ideally all three, and rather than just export, native editor/rendering support would be nice if it's not too much trouble. . . Ah so nice to dream 8-) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Evernote/Footnote-like UI change?
That's a great post! Thanks for your input. It's good to know others have similar visions for Zim! On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:12, HansBKK hans...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry if this is mostly OT, but I'm excited by Zim's possibilities and would like to introduce myself to the list with a bit of context as to what's brought me here. I have used Evernote as my brain extension for many years now, to the point where I've got over 50,000 nodes in dozens of ENB files, mostly snippets and web-page extracts/annotated bookmarks, but some book-length full-fledged structured references. I've stuck with v2.2 since I don't like my private data out in the cloud, and the v3 upgrade got rid of truly hierarchical organization of tags, including the ability for a given tag to have multiple locations in the tree (directed acyclic graphs for those au fait on such things). Over the past year, I've tried to cut down on adding new content to EN, keeping more and more in plaintext files with a folder hierarchy providing the main organisational categorisation, coupled with full- text search. I've been using txt2tags syntax, but recently have considered moving over to pandoc's extended markdown or reST/Sphinx. The main tools I've been looking at are the Python-based outliner/coding editor Leo, and DokuWiki. The former uses reSt, the latter as you know is proprietary, but both work fine (as I assume Zim would) using whatever markup syntax you like as long as you're happy working with plain-text, only getting pretty formatting with the final converted output in the target formats output by your toolchain. I **highly** recommend the Zim developers consider Evernote's (old- school version) for UI ideas as well as the tagging organization. I would really love to see Zim get the ability to show multiple pages as a result of clicking on a tag, and ideally the ability to do and/or filtering as well. Evernote has the ability to only show the first X lines of each document to handle the issue of longer pages hogging the visual bandwidth of the data stream, but in practice I rarely used it, a few PgDn's or scrollbar clicks usually handles it, and once the container app has these abilities, one usually keeps content in much smaller chunks - finer granularity supporting more accurate tagging. I am however intrigued by the idea of inline tagging where terms apply to individual paragraphs (divs?) rather than only to entire nodes (pages). Just as with DokuWiki, the fact that Zim's markup is not supported by third-party conversion tools to more mainstream documentation formats is a major roadblock for me - if I were rich I'd sponsor bounties - if I were really rich I'd learn to program 8-) Anyway, sorry it took you so long just to get my 2¢, I'll try to be more respectful of list bandwidth in future. . . -- This message was sent from Launchpad by HansBKK (https://launchpad.net/~hansbkk) using the Contact this team link on the Zim team page (https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki). For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Not detecting changed pages?
I see that I don't understand Zim as well as I thought. :) I did try the plugin, and I emailed a comment to the bug yesterday, but it didn't show up. I just added it on Launchpad. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 04:28, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Adam Porter a...@alphapapa.net wrote: I use Dropbox with Zim. I am, of course, aware that Zim doesn't automatically detect new pages or changes in directory structure, but I have always thought that Zim would automatically load the newer version of a page if it had been saved to disk while Zim was on a different page. Just now, though, I loaded a page on my netbook that had been modified earlier today on my laptop, and it loaded the old version of the page, as if it was still in memory and it didn't check the mtime on the disk. I hit Ctrl+R and it showed the new version right away. Of course, if I had tried to make changes to the page, Zim would have popped up an error saying the page had been changed--but why doesn't it detect that when I view the page? Because zim was originally not intended for usage where a notebook is changed externally while zim was running. This kind of detection is a feature that is still being tested. You may be interested in the test code available in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zim/+bug/792058 Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
