Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
In previous discussions, has Windows been taken into account? From what I could find, even Microsoft software uses stub-program if a specific version of a program should be launched. So it seems safe to assume that there is no good mechanism to make the destinction work in windows. An advantage of a likely non-conflicting file-extension like .zimwiki would be easy cross-platform mime-type handling. Seeing how the mime-type issue seems to make a lot of work, isn't it actually a good point to re-discuss the extension issue? regards, Klaus 2012/12/16 Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com wrote: Isn't it more wise to use a different extension than .txt for the zim markup files? I guess this has been pointed out some times in the past? Use .zxt or .zml or .zimwiki so that .txt is reserved for pure text files and no need to use processing overhead on file headers to decide if it is a zim markup file or a pure text file attachment. .txt has been around longer than zim, and I have always thought it to be a bit 'egoistic' to grab this for a special purpose for one particular application. Yes, this has been discussed more than once on this list before. I personally don't think re-opening the discussion at this time will bring any new ideas to the table. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
On 17 December 2012 12:31, Klaus-Dieter Bauer bauer.klaus.die...@gmail.com wrote: An advantage of a likely non-conflicting file-extension like .zimwiki would be easy cross-platform mime-type handling. Seeing how the mime-type issue seems to make a lot of work, isn't it actually a good point to re-discuss the extension issue? That is the mime-type handling part of the argument to change .txt to something less frequently used. The other argument is that zim could painlessly be put on top of an already existing file hierarchy if it hadn't been for the fact that zim claims posess of all files ending in .txt for its own purpose, with obvious unwanted side effects as .txt has been used for text files of other formats than zim markup language. I searched for .txt in the zim source, and I wonder if it is as simple as changing the .txt posfixes in the stores/files.py and then do a batch file rename of .txt files in all existing zim notebooks? The fact that the file extension is hardcoded to .txt is actually a TODO in the stores/files.py. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com wrote: Isn't it more wise to use a different extension than .txt for the zim markup files? I guess this has been pointed out some times in the past? Use .zxt or .zml or .zimwiki so that .txt is reserved for pure text files and no need to use processing overhead on file headers to decide if it is a zim markup file or a pure text file attachment. .txt has been around longer than zim, and I have always thought it to be a bit 'egoistic' to grab this for a special purpose for one particular application. Yes, this has been discussed more than once on this list before. I personally don't think re-opening the discussion at this time will bring any new ideas to the table. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
Hi Jaap, Turns out that if I specify the rule for *.txt indeed ubuntu / nautilus get it right, but now several other appplications (based on spec 0.16) think all text files are zim pages :( oh, that's bad news :-/ Could you be a bit more specific about which other applications have issues? If it is a Ubuntu vs. other distributions thing, we could keep the change for Ubuntu as a patch in the Ubuntu package at least? Either way, it seems that the only generally applicable solution is to change the file extension... Cheers, Marcel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Turns out that if I specify the rule for *.txt indeed ubuntu / nautilus get it right, but now several other appplications (based on spec 0.16) think all text files are zim pages :( oh, that's bad news :-/ Could you be a bit more specific about which other applications have issues? If it is a Ubuntu vs. other distributions thing, we could keep the change for Ubuntu as a patch in the Ubuntu package at least? Either way, it seems that the only generally applicable solution is to change the file extension... For one the python xdg module implements the old spec - that is how I found out, zim itself can no longer tell text files apart when I define the glob. Then I tested the perl File::MimeInfo library (disclaimer: I wrote this one myself a few years back) and it has the same flaw, so it is not implementation specific, but really depends on how the spec works out for this case :( This will affect all other applications using the same libraries. Arguably these libraries should be fixed. Plus we should test what is implemented in KDE / xfce / ... to test we don't break any mayor desktop environment. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for looking into this. Just read up on the latest version of the spec, and indeed this is now the recommended behavior. Makes sense. In previous versions of the spec this was done with the magic rule priority, but this was ignored by many implementations. Will update rules in zim's mime definition. Had to reverse the update :( Turns out that if I specify the rule for *.txt indeed ubuntu / nautilus get it right, but now several other appplications (based on spec 0.16) think all text files are zim pages :( Will at least need to fix zim's own xdg mime implementation, but afraid I can't turn on this rule without breaking some desktops... Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Marcel Stimberg stimb...@users.sourceforge.net wrote: Hi Bill and Jaap, The Ubuntu Dash allows the input of search terms to select a file. This can be used to identify a specific Zim page - quite a useful feature. However, as Zim pages are stored as *.txt files, the Dash opens them in the default text editor rather than Zim. This cancels out the usefulness :-). yes, I realized the same a while ago -- it quite limits the usefulness of the Zeitgeist integration as well (which makes recently used Zim pages appear in the dash). Actually zim already does this. We install a rule in the mime type information database that matches the header in zim page files. Unfortunately not all other applications respect this rule and give instead preference to the default rule for the .txt extension. Ubuntu file management being one such case where this rule is ignored. I had a look at this issue a while ago and there did not seem to be an easy solution apart from changing the file extension. I was about to draft a bug report to the xdgmime library (which is ultimately used by GNOME when deciding about the filetype) when I realized that there is actually a problem in zim's mimetype specification: It does not define the *.txt extension as a glob pattern. Looking at the GIO source code the logic behind content type determination is: * Get a list of possible mimetypes for the filename from xdgmime * If none or more than one result is returned, look at the content of the file The problem is that for .txt files, only one result is returned in the first step, as only text/plain defines it as a glob pattern: $ rgrep *.txt /usr/share/mime/packages/*.xml /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml:glob pattern=*.txt/ After adding the same line to /usr/share/mime/packages/zim.xml (and updating the mime database), opening zim pages from the dash works like a charm! Thanks Bill for making me look into this again :) Best, Marcel Thanks for looking into this. Just read up on the latest version of the spec, and indeed this is now the recommended behavior. Makes sense. In previous versions of the spec this was done with the magic rule priority, but this was ignored by many implementations. Will update rules in zim's mime definition. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
This request is specific to Ubuntu. I have no idea whether it is relevant to other operating systems. The Ubuntu Dash allows the input of search terms to select a file. This can be used to identify a specific Zim page - quite a useful feature. However, as Zim pages are stored as *.txt files, the Dash opens them in the default text editor rather than Zim. This cancels out the usefulness :-). Is it possible Zim could use a dedicated file type for it's pages and thus automatically load pages in Zim when they are run ?. Or, is there any other way a Zim page can be recognised by the dash ?. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Bill Oldroyd billoldr...@gmail.com wrote: This request is specific to Ubuntu. I have no idea whether it is relevant to other operating systems. The Ubuntu Dash allows the input of search terms to select a file. This can be used to identify a specific Zim page - quite a useful feature. However, as Zim pages are stored as *.txt files, the Dash opens them in the default text editor rather than Zim. This cancels out the usefulness :-). Is it possible Zim could use a dedicated file type for it's pages and thus automatically load pages in Zim when they are run ?. Or, is there any other way a Zim page can be recognised by the dash ?. Actually zim already does this. We install a rule in the mime type information database that matches the header in zim page files. Unfortunately not all other applications respect this rule and give instead preference to the default rule for the .txt extension. Ubuntu file management being one such case where this rule is ignored. There has been a lot of discussion already on changing the file extension for zim, but so far no consensus and no work defined. One work around would be to write a small shell script that distinguishes between zim pages and other text files and set that as the default application to open text files. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Ubuntu Dash and Zim txt files
Hi Bill and Jaap, The Ubuntu Dash allows the input of search terms to select a file. This can be used to identify a specific Zim page - quite a useful feature. However, as Zim pages are stored as *.txt files, the Dash opens them in the default text editor rather than Zim. This cancels out the usefulness :-). yes, I realized the same a while ago -- it quite limits the usefulness of the Zeitgeist integration as well (which makes recently used Zim pages appear in the dash). Actually zim already does this. We install a rule in the mime type information database that matches the header in zim page files. Unfortunately not all other applications respect this rule and give instead preference to the default rule for the .txt extension. Ubuntu file management being one such case where this rule is ignored. I had a look at this issue a while ago and there did not seem to be an easy solution apart from changing the file extension. I was about to draft a bug report to the xdgmime library (which is ultimately used by GNOME when deciding about the filetype) when I realized that there is actually a problem in zim's mimetype specification: It does not define the *.txt extension as a glob pattern. Looking at the GIO source code the logic behind content type determination is: * Get a list of possible mimetypes for the filename from xdgmime * If none or more than one result is returned, look at the content of the file The problem is that for .txt files, only one result is returned in the first step, as only text/plain defines it as a glob pattern: $ rgrep *.txt /usr/share/mime/packages/*.xml /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml:glob pattern=*.txt/ After adding the same line to /usr/share/mime/packages/zim.xml (and updating the mime database), opening zim pages from the dash works like a charm! Thanks Bill for making me look into this again :) Best, Marcel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
