Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte
At 20:18 11/26/2002 -0800, St Stace wrote: Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? It's a standard question in the temple recommend interview, if there are any past misdeeds that have not been properly resolved through the priesthood authority. It will have to be dealt with eventually. To answer your original question, if you have to ask the question to begin with, then probably you, personally, should not. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte
Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? Stacy. At 05:45 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: This doesn't violate the charter. All people have the opportunity to repent and change their lives. There are a few sins that are not repented of in this life, primarily murder. Sexual sin is very serious. Alma tells us that it is third in severity, after murder and denying the Holy Ghost. The reality is, not all bishops and stake presidents are well versed in handling such things. Some are extremely stern in the repentance process, while others are so afraid to lose the person, will go to any lengths not to excommunicate. Be aware of that as you consider dating people. You will have to determine from the relationship just how repentant the person really has been. If it is sexual sin, you can generally tell how changed they are by how they act on dates. If they want to neck and kiss a lot, you can have the idea that the person has not restrained himself enough. Necking outside of marriage is, after all, a sin, according to President Kimball. A person who has shown true remorse for sin, will not play on the edge of the cliff, but will stay far from it. The true exsmoker doesn't hold a cigarette in his fingers, unlit or lit. And someone who has repented of sexual sins will not risk being in the wrong places doing the wrong things. Criminals need the chance to repent and change also. You have the right to choose not to date this guy. However, don't forget to be a friend. This will help him to continue on his progress to exaltation. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Stacy: Hi. I hope this issue does not violate the charter. I have an interesting problem. I have decided quickly not to date an individual with a criminal sexual history in the past. However, he is a member in good standing. He has a temple recommend. What is the general policy regarding people who have committed crimes in the past? Is it possible to date those individuals, to assume that they have repented and are in good standing with the church? Do we assume the atonement has covered the sin? Furthermore, what are we to do with the weakness that has been shown? Can we trust such an individual? Stacy. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte
If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this considered gossip? and heresay? Stacy. At 11:22 PM 11/26/2002 -0600, you wrote: Suppose I suspect this individual failed to disclose this information before baptism? If he is now living a good life, does any of this information need to come out? Yes, if the original information was something that should have been referred to the Mission President via the Zone Leaders who interviewed the candidate for baptism in order to make the repentance process complete and applicable. Living a good life is not enough. Full confession and repentance is required. Sooner or later he must pay the piper if he expects to be forgiven regardless of baptism. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.399 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 10/09/2002 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Afte
If I tried to make this public what could happen to me? Is this considered gossip? and heresay? I don't know about your situation but if I was close to someone whom I was pretty sure had committed a serious sin and was not repenting I would probably let the bishop know about it and leave it in his hands for the time being. Keep it a private matter with the priesthood authorities. Depending on the circumstances I might warn the person that the bishop will be tipped off so if there is something to confess they best do it of their own free will and choice and get the matter resolved properly. I don't think it is gossip or what not. Nothing should be said outside the bounds of love and general concern for the welfare of the individual involved. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
