Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
At 07:11 PM 11/10/2003, JWR wrote: 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast Just what is the mark of the beast? Is it an actual physical bio-chip, as most fundamental Baptists or Christian fundamentalists believe? Or does it mean something else. Below are my thoughts, in an essay I once wrote upon the subject: 666: OF MEN, MARKS, BEASTS AND THE SEALING POWER! By: Steven Montgomery One of the overarching themes of the Book of Revelation deals with the victory that Jesus Christ and the righteous have over Satan, Babylon and mankind's twin nemesis, both Spiritual and Physical Death. The righteous, we are informed by Revelation 15:2 are those who gain victory over the Beast and thus qualify to live on this earth in its Celestial Glory. It's interesting to note that those who accept Christ and overcome Satan are sealed up unto eternal life by having Christ's name written on their foreheads (see Rev. 7:3 and 22:4). Under the law of Moses the Israelites were commanded to wear phylacteries on their hands or frontlets upon their foreheads which were little boxes that contained certain scriptures written inside them as a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth or in other words that the righteous were to treasure up the words of Christ in their heart and soul and to physically bind these items on their hands or foreheads as a sign of this fact (see Exodus 13:9,16; Deut. 6:8; 11:18). Satan, as the great counterfeiter, also seals his followers with a mark in their hand or forehead. But what is this mark and what does it represent? Is it an actual physical mark or merely symbolic? What characterizes those who have the mark? As a result of the fall of Adam and without the atonement of Jesus Christ, man is carnal sensual and devilish. Thus Satan causes ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive his mark in their right hand or in their forehead. Since this is a mark which affects all mankind it clearly cannot be an actual physical one. It is symbolic. Thus It represents man in his mortal state and without the atonement of Jesus Christ, who truly cannot buy or sell without the mark of Satan (see Rev. 13:16-18; 14:1, 9-11; 17:5). It is also significant to note in Rev. 14:9-11, that those who thus follow Satan and receive his mark on their forehead or hand, suffer the wrath of God, are tormented with fire and brimstone, and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever--quite a punishment just for accepting a mark for food, as the christian fundamentalists believe, especially if one did so without knowledge or innocently! Reading these scriptures in context just doesn't bear this viewpoint up. It should be obvious that the punishment mentioned here is the hell that all of Satan's followers receive after the last judgment. Also of note is the mention in Rev. 17:5 that spiritual Babylon will have the words MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH written on her forehead. Do the Christian fundamentalists really believe that there will be a great Babylon arise up with these literal words on her forehead? Well, what about the number of the beasts name, 666? Consistent with Moses 6:63, which states that all things are created and made to bear record of Christ, or in some manner testifying of the gospel plan, the number 6 to the Jews represented Man under sin. For example man was created on the 6th day. Cain's descendants are listed to the 6th generation. There are 66 generations listed from King David to Joseph. The Man of Sin or Satan is represented by the number 666. The 6th letter of the Hebrew Alphabet is the letter vav which is the sign of the nail. Symbolically, the numeral 6 when written or printed, appears to signify a coiled snake--ready to strike. The number 7, on the other hand, represented God's seal, often called the perfect number by the ancients. For example, god sanctified the 7th day and blessed it. The week has 7 days. The 7th day was the Old Testament Holy Day or Sabbath. Joshua ordered his people to march around Jericho 7 days with 7 priests, and 7 times on the 7th day. 7 is also significant in the natural creation. The musical scale has 7 full notes. Pure light is broken into 7 colors by a prism or rainbow. Jesus Christ received 7 wounds on his body. Furthermore, in connection with the number 666, It's interesting to consider that the jewish cabalistic magic square (those square mathematical puzzles which when added up either horizontally or vertically add up to the same number) of the sun (or Son!) when totaled adds up to 666. Additionally when the 12 (symbolic of the twelve disciples) diagonal squares (the letter x or sign of Christ) are added they each total 111 which when both are added to 666 become 888, the gematria value of Jesus. In addition a circle can fit in the
Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
Very convincing. I'm sure that if there was a physical mark everyone would be able to see it and try to stay clear of it. But it is interesting that men have given up on the cause for food. What about Esau and others like him? Stacy. At 07:36 AM 11/11/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 07:11 PM 11/10/2003, JWR wrote: 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast Just what is the mark of the beast? Is it an actual physical bio-chip, as most fundamental Baptists or Christian fundamentalists believe? Or does it mean something else. Below are my thoughts, in an essay I once wrote upon the subject: 666: OF MEN, MARKS, BEASTS AND THE SEALING POWER! By: Steven Montgomery One of the overarching themes of the Book of Revelation deals with the victory that Jesus Christ and the righteous have over Satan, Babylon and mankind's twin nemesis, both Spiritual and Physical Death. The righteous, we are informed by Revelation 15:2 are those who gain victory over the Beast and thus qualify to live on this earth in its Celestial Glory. It's interesting to note that those who accept Christ and overcome Satan are sealed up unto eternal life by having Christ's name written on their foreheads (see Rev. 7:3 and 22:4). Under the law of Moses the Israelites were commanded to wear phylacteries on their hands or frontlets upon their foreheads which were little boxes that contained certain scriptures written inside them as a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth or in other words that the righteous were to treasure up the words of Christ in their heart and soul and to physically bind these items on their hands or foreheads as a sign of this fact (see Exodus 13:9,16; Deut. 6:8; 11:18). Satan, as the great counterfeiter, also seals his followers with a mark in their hand or forehead. But what is this mark and what does it represent? Is it an actual physical mark or merely symbolic? What characterizes those who have the mark? As a result of the fall of Adam and without the atonement of Jesus Christ, man is carnal sensual and devilish. Thus Satan causes ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive his mark in their right hand or in their forehead. Since this is a mark which affects all mankind it clearly cannot be an actual physical one. It is symbolic. Thus It represents man in his mortal state and without the atonement of Jesus Christ, who truly cannot buy or sell without the mark of Satan (see Rev. 13:16-18; 14:1, 9-11; 17:5). It is also significant to note in Rev. 14:9-11, that those who thus follow Satan and receive his mark on their forehead or hand, suffer the wrath of God, are tormented with fire and brimstone, and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever--quite a punishment just for accepting a mark for food, as the christian fundamentalists believe, especially if one did so without knowledge or innocently! Reading these scriptures in context just doesn't bear this viewpoint up. It should be obvious that the punishment mentioned here is the hell that all of Satan's followers receive after the last judgment. Also of note is the mention in Rev. 17:5 that spiritual Babylon will have the words MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH written on her forehead. Do the Christian fundamentalists really believe that there will be a great Babylon arise up with these literal words on her forehead? Well, what about the number of the beasts name, 666? Consistent with Moses 6:63, which states that all things are created and made to bear record of Christ, or in some manner testifying of the gospel plan, the number 6 to the Jews represented Man under sin. For example man was created on the 6th day. Cain's descendants are listed to the 6th generation. There are 66 generations listed from King David to Joseph. The Man of Sin or Satan is represented by the number 666. The 6th letter of the Hebrew Alphabet is the letter vav which is the sign of the nail. Symbolically, the numeral 6 when written or printed, appears to signify a coiled snake--ready to strike. The number 7, on the other hand, represented God's seal, often called the perfect number by the ancients. For example, god sanctified the 7th day and blessed it. The week has 7 days. The 7th day was the Old Testament Holy Day or Sabbath. Joshua ordered his people to march around Jericho 7 days with 7 priests, and 7 times on the 7th day. 7 is also significant in the natural creation. The musical scale has 7 full notes. Pure light is broken into 7 colors by a prism or rainbow. Jesus Christ received 7 wounds on his body. Furthermore, in connection with the number 666, It's interesting to consider that the jewish cabalistic magic square (those square mathematical puzzles which when added up either horizontally or vertically add up to the same number) of the sun (or Son!)
[ZION] Signs Yet to Come
Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Islamic and communist countries receive gospel 10. Jews begin to believe in Jesus as Messiah 11. Return of Lost Tribes from the north 12. Return of Enoch's Zion 13. Coming forth of the rest of the Book of Mormon 14. Temple built in Jerusalem 15. Temple built in Jackson County 16. All nations go up to war against Jerusalem 17. Constitution saved when it hangs by a thread 18. Anti-christ rises up before all nations 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast 20. Renewed persecution of the saints What else? What have I missed? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
I had heard that two apostles will be killed in Jerusalem and be brought back to life 3 1/2 years before the return of Christ, but have no scriptural reference for this. Jon - Original Message - From: John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Islamic and communist countries receive gospel 10. Jews begin to believe in Jesus as Messiah 11. Return of Lost Tribes from the north 12. Return of Enoch's Zion 13. Coming forth of the rest of the Book of Mormon 14. Temple built in Jerusalem 15. Temple built in Jackson County 16. All nations go up to war against Jerusalem 17. Constitution saved when it hangs by a thread 18. Anti-christ rises up before all nations 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast 20. Renewed persecution of the saints What else? What have I missed? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
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Here is a brief, incomplete list of the signs of the times that have not yet been fulfilled: 1. Global hailstorm 2. No rainbow 3. Global earthquake 4. Sun turn dark 5. Moon turn to blood 6. Stars fall from heaven 7. Burning mountain cast into the sea 8. Priesthood meeting at Adam-ondi-ahman 9. Islamic and communist countries receive gospel 10. Jews begin to believe in Jesus as Messiah 11. Return of Lost Tribes from the north 12. Return of Enoch's Zion 13. Coming forth of the rest of the Book of Mormon 14. Temple built in Jerusalem 15. Temple built in Jackson County 16. All nations go up to war against Jerusalem 17. Constitution saved when it hangs by a thread 18. Anti-christ rises up before all nations 19. No man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast 20. Renewed persecution of the saints What else? What have I missed? 144,000 High Priests chosen (Rev 7:1-8) Christ appears at the new Jerusalem Temple (Dan 7:13-14) sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds (D C 88:89-91) Christ appears on Mount of Olives (D C 45:51-52) an highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep (D C 133:27) -- Lew -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Signs Yet to Come
At 07:45 PM 11/10/2003, you wrote: I had heard that two apostles will be killed in Jerusalem and be brought back to life 3 1/2 years before the return of Christ, but have no scriptural reference for this. Jon 7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. 11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. (New Testament | Revelation 11:7 - 14) I'm not sure if the 3 1/2 here is what you are talking about but it is days and not years. The two witnesses shall lie in the street for 3 1/2 days and then they shall ascended to heaven -- Lew -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
