Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 04:57:12PM +1300, Ian Collins wrote: On 09/29/11 09:50 AM, Edward Pilatowicz wrote: nfs server is now supported in a zone on s11. smb server is not. OK, thanks Ed. I thought the original ARC case for PRIV_SYS_SHARE would have enabled both? it's not just a matter of enabling privs. there was a lot of work that when into enabling nfs that would also have to be done for smb. ed ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:53 AM, hung-sheng tsao laot...@gmail.com wrote: Why only in s11? You probably have no idea how expensive a backport is. Not only does it require a fair bit of labor by talented engineers, it had an enormous cost of opportunity for the vendor: those engineers' talents are wasted on a project that creates nothing new, which is a disaster in an industry where innovation is prized. Just say no to backports. Nico -- ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 09/30/11 03:01 AM, Edward Pilatowicz wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 04:57:12PM +1300, Ian Collins wrote: On 09/29/11 09:50 AM, Edward Pilatowicz wrote: nfs server is now supported in a zone on s11. smb server is not. OK, thanks Ed. I thought the original ARC case for PRIV_SYS_SHARE would have enabled both? it's not just a matter of enabling privs. there was a lot of work that when into enabling nfs that would also have to be done for smb. Fair enough. Although I was really looking forward to dropping Samba! The general rule is convince product management that there is a business reason to invest the engineer(s) and it will get done. I hope that someday zones can be CIFS servers. In the mean time, the global zone can be a CIFS server. That means you can implement stable, scalable CIFS servers - if you use Solaris! ;-) --JeffV ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jeff Victor jeff.j.vic...@gmail.com wrote: The general rule is convince product management that there is a business reason to invest the engineer(s) and it will get done. IMO, for backports, the bar should be much higher. The vendor should compute the cost of the backport *including* the cost of opportunity, and including the further cost of opportunity involved in encouraging more backports by the mere fact of having done one backport (if the customer believes they can put off upgrading forever then the pressure to backport more and more features will rise). If the value of doing the backport *significantly* exceeds that cost, then, sure, do the backport. The cost of backporting complex features, particularly ones that have wide ramifications, and particularly when the backport is to Solaris 10, with its awful patching mechanisms, is best understood as astronomical. A backport of Zoned NFS server should be considered as in the high 7 $ figure range, if not higher still -- after all, how do you estimate the forgone value of talented engineers working on innovative new features?? Just say no to backports. Pressure the ISVs instead to re-certify their apps. Legacy costs the customer a lot also -- there's enormous, typically unaccounted-for costs in legacy. Nico -- ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On 09/30/11 09:45 AM, Nico Williams wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jeff Victorjeff.j.vic...@gmail.com wrote: The general rule is convince product management that there is a business reason to invest the engineer(s) and it will get done. IMO, for backports, the bar should be much higher. The vendor should compute the cost of the backport *including* the cost of opportunity, and including the further cost of opportunity involved in encouraging more backports by the mere fact of having done one backport (if the customer believes they can put off upgrading forever then the pressure to backport more and more features will rise). If the value of doing the backport *significantly* exceeds that cost, then, sure, do the backport. But adding sbm server support to a zone isn't a backport, it's a new innovative feature! I'm sure we aren't the only site who has consolidated older fileservers into zones and would like to use native services in those zones. -- Ian. ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Nico Williams n...@cryptonector.com wrote: So us S11. s/us/use/ ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: But adding sbm server support to a zone isn't a backport, it's a new innovative feature! It's a backport if you want it in S10. I'm sure we aren't the only site who has consolidated older fileservers into zones and would like to use native services in those zones. So us S11. Nico -- ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
IMHO, since I or i do not know what is the effort for making zone NFS server since many many many user will be using s10 for some time, this is nice feature to have Sinc CIFS/SMB only happen in s11 so porting to s10 will be big job But zone is in S10 since 2005 and ther are always new feature in zone and ZFS in many update:-) my 2c On 9/29/2011 4:45 PM, Nico Williams wrote: On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jeff Victorjeff.j.vic...@gmail.com wrote: The general rule is convince product management that there is a business reason to invest the engineer(s) and it will get done. IMO, for backports, the bar should be much higher. The vendor should compute the cost of the backport *including* the cost of opportunity, and including the further cost of opportunity involved in encouraging more backports by the mere fact of having done one backport (if the customer believes they can put off upgrading forever then the pressure to backport more and more features will rise). If the value of doing the backport *significantly* exceeds that cost, then, sure, do the backport. The cost of backporting complex features, particularly ones that have wide ramifications, and particularly when the backport is to Solaris 10, with its awful patching mechanisms, is best understood as astronomical. A backport of Zoned NFS server should be considered as in the high 7 $ figure range, if not higher still -- after all, how do you estimate the forgone value of talented engineers working on innovative new features?? Just say no to backports. Pressure the ISVs instead to re-certify their apps. Legacy costs the customer a lot also -- there's enormous, typically unaccounted-for costs in legacy. Nico -- ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org attachment: laotsao.vcf___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
nfs server is now supported in a zone on s11. smb server is not. ed On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:19:34PM +1300, Ian Collins wrote: Has the restriction on sharing ZFS filesystems vis nfs or smb from a zone been removed in the Solaris 11 branch yet? If not, will it be? Thanks. -- Ian. ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [zones-discuss] Has the restriction on sharing from a zone been removed yet?
On 09/29/11 09:50 AM, Edward Pilatowicz wrote: nfs server is now supported in a zone on s11. smb server is not. OK, thanks Ed. I thought the original ARC case for PRIV_SYS_SHARE would have enabled both? -- Ian. ___ zones-discuss mailing list zones-discuss@opensolaris.org
