[Zope-dev] RE: [Zope] REQUIRING Python 2.1??

2001-04-13 Thread anser

 You may have more than one Python installation on a machine. This in no
 way forces you to move "all of your applications" to 2.1. The binary
 releases in particular make this drop-dead easy; they come with a bundled
 Python, and do not affect any other Python you may have in any way.

right, but by the same token the binary releases won't require special 
warnings to people about upgrading to 2.1.

 And
 note that Zope is a pretty diverse community - just because i18n
 is not very important to _you_ does not mean it is not important.
 There are plenty who consider it hugely significant, and who
 are at least as perturbed that we _haven't_ done this yet.

The question is not whether i18n ought to be done, but whether you ought to 
require upgrading to Py 2.1 to achieve it.

 On the basis of prior performance I do not expect this objection to make
 any difference in what DC does, but I needed to express it anyway.

 You may find that making your objections in a less inflammatory
 way will give them more impact.

I do not know how one would measure "impact" in order to test this 
proposition. If "impact" means changing DC policy or software in any way, 
then I suspect as previously stated that hearts+flowers wouldn't get it 
done either.  If "impact" means that the question would get a response, 
well, this thread's existence may be a counterexample.

What I do know is that requiring an upgrade to a not-yet-gold Py release as 
a prerequisite to the next Zope release is unwise software policy.



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[Zope] Re: low level HTML in Zope

2000-07-10 Thread Anser

"Henny van der Linde" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...Zope forces you often to go to  nitty gritty details of HTML
programming.
 I think that's a good thing (for me). GUI tools tend to make
 you very lazy and often produce horrible HTML (for example Frontpage).

Today's best WYSIWYG editors produce excellent HTML, including Dreamweaver
and Allaire Homesite.  (There should be a rule that nothing is every
usefully compared to the hideous Frontpage.)

Zope's text box interfaces do encourage you to mess with low level HTML, but
there is no help or verification that you actually know what you're doing.
Learning raw HTML is fun and can be useful, but if you program that way, you
should always follow up with a *validator* like CSE HTML Validator or a
recent build of Weblint.  You will find errors!  And errors do matter!


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