[Zope] News article.
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Re: [Zope] user permissions
I just installed 2.2. I read that the superuser account cannot edit or add objects so I set up a user as manager and one as an owner. The user accounts are able to add objects but only the superuser account can see them once they are added. EX: I am logged in as user Mike and add edit a DTML Document. I complete the edit and choose change. When I'm returned to the contents the new document is not visible. If I now log in as the superuser, everything is visible but, of course, cannot be moved, added to, or copied and pasted. So my question is "What have I not done correctly to have created this catch 22 situation.?" - Original Message - From: "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "josh on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] user permissions No, that should do it. You cannot add, copy or move objects as the superuser, but you can add users to a user folder and change permissions. But there should be no permissions that need changing. Make sure that you give the user the 'Manager' role when you add a new user (while logged in as superuser). josh on wrote: I just installed 2.2 on win98. I log on as a superuser, and try and make a new folder an I get: Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: SuperCannotOwn Error Value: Objects cannot be owned by the superuser So I used to do that I thought. I tried to make a new acl user, but couldn't log in with that name password combo. I saw that webmaster asked this a couple of days ago, but I saw no answer. Am I being dumb and missing the obvious? Do I need to go and read some how to about users and permissions? any help would be great. josh on ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] user permissions
Sounds stupido, but I logged on to zope today as the user and can see and do all. I really don't get it. I tried over and over yesterday to get things working to no avail. Today, without having logged in previously I added products.Zcommerce and Session. Restarted Zope. I just recieved your mail so I decided to go through all the motions again from yesterday to tell you exactly what I was doing. I log in and it is working fine. Doh - Original Message - From: "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'J. Michael Mc Kay'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "josh on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: RE: [Zope] user permissions I've never heard of anything like this. What roles does "Mike" have? What *does* show up in the Contents screen for "Mike"? -Original Message- From: J. Michael Mc Kay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:02 AM To: Chris McDonough; josh on Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] user permissions I just installed 2.2. I read that the superuser account cannot edit or add objects so I set up a user as manager and one as an owner. The user accounts are able to add objects but only the superuser account can see them once they are added. EX: I am logged in as user Mike and add edit a DTML Document. I complete the edit and choose change. When I'm returned to the contents the new document is not visible. If I now log in as the superuser, everything is visible but, of course, cannot be moved, added to, or copied and pasted. So my question is "What have I not done correctly to have created this catch 22 situation.?" - Original Message - From: "Chris McDonough" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "josh on" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] user permissions No, that should do it. You cannot add, copy or move objects as the superuser, but you can add users to a user folder and change permissions. But there should be no permissions that need changing. Make sure that you give the user the 'Manager' role when you add a new user (while logged in as superuser). josh on wrote: I just installed 2.2 on win98. I log on as a superuser, and try and make a new folder an I get: Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: SuperCannotOwn Error Value: Objects cannot be owned by the superuser So I used to do that I thought. I tried to make a new acl user, but couldn't log in with that name password combo. I saw that webmaster asked this a couple of days ago, but I saw no answer. Am I being dumb and missing the obvious? Do I need to go and read some how to about users and permissions? any help would be great. josh on ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] 503 Zope temporarily overloaded
I was looking at stats today and saw this 503: Temporarily overloaded Can anyone guess at what this might mean? Thanks ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] [Repeat] Nt server w/ Zope
Trying again for help. If I stop Zope as a service from NT's Service Manager or from the Zope management interface it seems to kick and scream while restarting. In the application log I see repeated errors stating the service could not start. These repeat until the application log is full. Zope appears to be running, but I have not yet learned how long it is cycling to start. The error series is essentially, "Starting Zope Service" , "Could not Start Zope Service" until the log is full. From there I'm not sure. Is this a known issue or am I missing a switch setting for start-up? This does not occur from reboot. Everything is as normal as I know normalcy. Thanks ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Restarting with NT
If I stop Zope as a service from NT's Service Manager or from the Zope management interface it seems to kick and scream while restarting. In the application log I see repeated errors stating the service could not start. These repeat until the application log is full. Zope appears to be running, but I have not yet learned how long it is cycling to start. The error series is essentially, "Starting Zope Service" , "Could not Start Zope Service" until the log is full. From there I'm not sure. Is this a known issue or am I missing a switch setting for start-up? This does not occur from reboot. Everything is as normal as I know normalcy. Thanks ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] How do say wiki?
What would be an acceptible plural form of wiki, wikies wikis what? Thanks ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Importing data
Well, I meant that I have some products w/ data setup in the new .fs. If I copy the old over then I loose what I am currently working on. - Original Message - From: J. Michael Mc Kay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: [Zope] Importing data I have a Data.fs file from a previous instal of Zope. How can import parts of that data base to a current data.fs? I have a product setup in the old .fs that I want to use in the newlike a squishdot for instance.
Re: [Zope] Zope, Apache/NT, Reliability issues
Can I jump in? What is the process involved for pcgi or Zope to pass authentication? I am not running Apache, but good old dependable Website Pro. When I attempt to run Zope via pcgi it works fine unless I want to manage or allow a client to log into a products administration screens. I am returned an error when trying to access, for example, Squishdot admin or Zope manage. On the other hand users can log into and use the portal product. Zope is not accepting the management login info. My understanding is not clear on what Apache does to accept log ins via pcgi. For that matter the same for IIS. I am not sure that IIS is really only accepting NTusers. The reading I have done so far suggests this may be the case. Zope Apache are HTTP1.1 compliant? Website is 1.0 or partially 1.1... can this be part of the problem? I run into some problems with requests and compliancy when using newer utilities against the server. The conversation below suggests that pcgi passes requests to Zope. I am confused about this because I am told this is a Website issue, but when explained in it's simplest terms (below) it appears to be a pcgi or Zope issue. The error I am receiving says that the webserver may not be able to forward cgi requests (? it's been awhile since I looked at it) This doesn't make sense if pcgi is passing the info on. I guess I am asking "Where exactly is authentication breaking down when using pcgior where is it most likely to break down? Website has only 15 percent of the NT market share (it's the price tag I'm sure) and it is hard to find someone to share these experiences with, so thanks for allowing this intrusion.. ___ PCGI passes on requests to Zope, where Zope can handle multiple requests at the same time. Basically, requests are handed over to ZServer ass if the request came in directly. PCGI takes some care of waiting for ZServer to become available if it is congested. So, there is one Zope instance running that can listen to normal HTTP requests, FTP requests and PCGI requests (any combination of that). The PCGI CGI's are fielded on requests coming though Apache and hand back the results to the client. And what about the method of "masquerading" the ZServer through Apache? I have read solutions using the Rewrite module and the Proxy module, but it actually means (roughly speaking) that if there are 10 requests made to Apache then it will make 10 requests to ZServer so, considering only the reliability issue of the server even if Apache can handle millions of requests per second, the ZServer would fall down much faster than that so I cannot see any advantage of using Apache in front of it. Of course I understand the other advantages of Apache as it´s many configuration options, robustness as a web server, etc, but can the ZServer stay up and running in pair with Apache? Maybe there´s any way to configure Apache to cache the pages -- as a Squid would -- so it can "filter" the requests and low the requests level that it will do to ZServer? People generally use Apache for combining Zope with other content. Zope is good at serving dynamic content, Apache at static, so if you serve Zope behind Apache, you can mix and match. Also, when you have existing CGI, PHP or other Apache dependant content that you want to make available from the same base URL, you will need to use Apache in front of Zope. You can, IIRC, use tge ProxyPass trick together with caching as well,but I have no experience with that. There is one big disadvantage to using ProxyPass at the moment, which is that you need to use the SiteAccess product to make it work correctly. The SiteAccess product has some known issues and causes regressions in parts of Zope, like the ZCatalog. These issues _shold_ be solved with the upcoming 2.2 release of Zope. And what about it´s object oriented database? I also have some doubts about it. I worked a lot with relational databases as MS SQL and MySQL but never tried to study an OO approach to DB. How fast it is? How much requests can it handle without hanging, collapsing or corrupting data? I mean, anyone tried to do some study of a database that changes everytime and have queries everytime, I mean, searches in a database where it´s data changes constantly (searching a static database is much different than searching on a mutable one). Row level locking, transaction, consistency, etc, all these concepts apply here? Can it be substituted by a traditional relational database and have it´s contentes interfaced to "looks like" object oriented? The ZODB, Zope's Object Database, is an integral part of Zope. As soon as you look at Zope through the management interface, you are looking at objects stored in the ZODB. Zope is inherently OO, and you generally use object instances to build your site. The ZODB is transactional, is optimized for high reads, low writes, and takes care of access conflicts not by locking, but invalidating all connections
Re: [Zope] What is favicon.ico and why is it an error?
Internet explorer is looking for an favicon.ico or a custom icon file that customizes your bookmark entry into a users book mark list. If you get an icon editor and make a custom icon 16x16, I think, icon then you can put it in your home directory and when someone bookmarks the site they will see your cute little icon in their bookmarks. Now that you have done this, you have to put it in every directory accessible to IE to prevent excessive logging of errors on your server. - Original Message - From: "J. Atwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] What is "favicon.ico" and why is it an error? So even though there are no references to it in the HTML MIE is looking for it? Is there anyway to fool it? Can I just put a blank DTML Document? Why would MIE be checking the server for that file? Add this to the many reasons that I hate MIE! J On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, J. Atwood wrote: As it looks for this "favicon.ico" M$ IE is looking for this file to provide some "niceness" on a page. Search Internet for longer explanations - there are many. Oleg.(All opinions are mine and not of my employer) Oleg Broytmann Foundation for Effective Policies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] V2.2
I see the ownership tab in the new Zope. Where can I find some more info on this. Currently my setup says Zope has no owner. Apparently it needs one - Original Message - From: "Oleg Broytmann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "JÛrgen Skogstad" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 4:37 AM Subject: [Zope] Re: SV: [Zope] Q: Link status/checking Hi! On Sat, 3 Jun 2000, JÛrgen Skogstad wrote: Sure! I just did a quick read through of the url you posted and it looks to me that you've started with what I want. I am very interested in getting this to work within the Zope framework as well.. with Sql support etc. as I am doing a project that would require "robotic" features! ;) Don't we just hate manual labour. ;) Well, the weakiest point in my programs is that these programs operate on the whole tree at once. This isn't a problem for my small database of URLs - there are about 3000 URLs in my bookmarks; but certainly will bring problems for those who would like to have a bigger DB. What I feel is that Zope is not by itself the way to go. It is hard to store the entire URLs tree in Zope and operate via XML-RPC or whatever. I thing much better approach will be to store the tree in separate database (SQL, e.g.) and connect both the robot and Zope to the DB. While we are on subjject - I think about version 4 of the project. I want to define clear APIs for database plugins (including the possibility to operate on a part of DB, down to one URL at at time :) and robots; and remove writers plugins entirely - writers are just storage managers, actually. It is interesting, whow in time Andrew Kuchling announced Oedipus. His announcement came few days after I realized that I need API to operate on a part of DB and started to think about version 4. http://oedipus.sourceforge.net/ We need a DB plugin to connect my robot to Oedipus; and Zope Product... Oleg.(All opinions are mine and not of my employer) Oleg Broytmann Foundation for Effective Policies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] e-tailer Mailhost
I'm have some difficuties with e-tailer and setting up mailhost. Where is the best location for mailhost. I have a directory structure like this: /a_la_cart/mailhost /a_la_cart/e-tailer Mailhost is in the a_la_cart directory with the e-tailer account. In "order management", when I enter the address to recieve orders, submit it, the management area does not update but errs out instead. I am trying to set-up multiple e-tailers and have them all send mail from each e-tailer. thanks. - Original Message - From: "Terry Kerr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Graham Chiu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Zope] E-Commerce solution using Python and Zope. Graham Chiu wrote: these problems were fixed...it was only a problem initially caused by an upgrade. Hi, A couple of other things. On your front page, the non-hilighted 'demo' image is broken. If you go to www.adroit.com there are more broken images. You may not be seeing them if they're in your cache. Also, your shopping cart is still broken. Try this 1. select an image and place into cart. 2. go to check out 3. don't enter any details and click on buy 4. It then asks for credit card details - when it shouldn't really allow you this far 5. Then just keep backing out and the cart empties out :-( I downloaded the latest checkout but haven't had to a chance to see where the bug is. Ok...I found the bug that allows you to buy without entering any details I can fix it. Yes, after you have entered the checkout, you cannot back out. This was just overlooked...it will be fixed. Otherwise it looks quite good, though I would prefer a solution that uses a relational database to save data. ( My own Zope Ecommerce site has about 24,000 items which would be a bit painful to add items using a through the web interface. ) We didn't use a relational database because it is way too is too complex for the intended use of the product. The idea behind e-tailer was to have an ecommerce product which is extremely simple and quick to setup. Setting up a shop is as simple as adding an e-tailer from the manage screen of a folder. It takes less that 5 minutes to have the shop fully setup and ready to go and accepting secure credit information. I don't know of any other ecommerce products that are that easy to setup. Besides, there are no easy ways to manipulate an SQL backend like we do with the e-tailer catalog. Things like adding and remove product properties, and giving properties to categories that all the products within that category will aquire, and having products and categories aquiring template styles, etc. This is all very difficult if not impossible to acheive with a flat relational database. We never intended for e-tailer to hold 24000 items! Although i dont see any problem with this. We have done some tests with over 5 cataloged items in a zodb and searching was fine. I agree that adding 24000 items through a web interface would be painful ;-) We need to create a tool that can upload items from other storages so that this kind of process can be speed up. Having said all that, we are looking at possibly integrating a backend relational database. Any more feedback is greatly appreciated! ;-) terry --- Graham Chiu http://www.compkarori.co.nz/index.php http://www.compkarori.com/dynamo -- The HomeBuilt Dynamo http://www.compkarori.com/dbase -- The dBase Bulletin Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Terry Kerr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adroit Internet Solutions Pty Ltd (www.adroit.net) Phone: (03) 9563 4461 Fax: (03) 9563 3856 Mobile: 0414 938 124 ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Stats
Should most stats generators be able to read zope server logs? - Original Message - From: "Hugo Ramos" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "zope" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Site Powered by Zope Yellow, Are you trying to imply that ZopersORG (www.zopers.org) isn't a large site? :- --- Hugo Ramos - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZopersORG - http://www.zopers.org - Original Message - From: "Andrew Kenneth Milton" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 7:25 AM Subject: [Zope] Site Powered by Zope Hrm I just went to applixware.com to look for updates for Applixware (UNIX Office suite), and they've become VistaSource.com. Down the bottom of their site is the venerable "Powered By Zope" icon. I knew they'd started a new Open Source development plan, but, its still good to see large-ish sites running Zope. ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation
Well, let me see. I would consider giving the summer to working on Zope Documentation in Exchange for Zope School. That's right, I'm as much a newbie to Zope as that egg they are breaking in the Perl2Zope thread. But I live 20 minutes from Zope Headquarters.Fredericksburg, eh? I like working long hours and am probably going to be available through mid august/september. The downside is that I am "really new" to zope and python. The upside is that I'm into it It would be a good backgrounder for that book I've always wanted to write about something... - Original Message - From: "Chris Withers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Jason Cunliffe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation Jason Cunliffe wrote: I reckon there's about 25 man weeks of work to do based on 5 people spending: -1 week to build the tools -1 week to plan the structure of the documentation -3 weeks to get ALL the Zope documentation linked in one place (which is what zdp is supposed to be...) So, has anyone got the cash? ;-) Well I have asked a few times before, before but never a reply.. so I will ask again: How much would it cost? (U$?) Based on the above figures, and assuming £500/day/person, it comes out as: £62,500 (roughly $100,000) Perhaps you have no time but some money.. Personally, I have neither ;-) resources to go round. And money might really help out here... I agree, I would love to do it, and I'm sure my employer wouldn't mind if someone else was footing the bill ;-) It seems like rather a catch-22 [or is that a zope-22] : until the docs are in better shape, it is so much harder for more people to contribute usefully because it is so easy to get lost again.. I agree :-) ZDPLINE.COM ?? $ whois zdpline.com Whois Server Version 1.1 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. No match for "ZDPLINE.COM". Well, the name is there... ;-) cheers, Chris Perhaps someone with better dtml skills than I can make a little mini priceline.com app for zdp.. Everyone/Anyone wishing to contribute something towards documentation logs on and enters the amount: instant tally shows total potential sponsorship with column for person-hours/days at rate. Instead of a well intentioned message thread which will be rapidly drownded in a sea of DTML minutuae, we can have visible target + 'potential' zdp attractor When we hit a 'u$eful 'threshold - $ponsors kick in with their actual contrib. and zdp advances. Perhaps you have a better crazier idea..I hope so:-) Meanwhile, some fascinating and surreal reading: Interview with Jay Walker http://www.strategy-business.com/thoughtleaders/00209/page1.html my $0.25 - Jason ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
