Re: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters
Christian, Thanks for the tip. Your help is much appreciated. Further to your reply, I would like to ask what the differences of UTF-8 are compared to Big5 Code. Apparently (from my research on Big5) it is the most commonly used unicode for chinese characters. Kindly advice. Thank you once again. Regards, amoebia. Christian Wittern writes: Hi there, I am using Zope successfully with Chinese (Traditional) on Windows. For forward compatibility, I am storing it as UTF-8, which is one storage format for Unicode/ISO 10646 (aka as UCS). It used to work nice until Zope 2.2, where some of the display got mangled. I submitted a patch to the Collector to fix this problem some weeks ago, so hopefully this will go away in the future. Anothere thing is being able to use ZCatalog: I privately patched the splitter program, which is used to split strings into words. I am not yet satisfied with the solution, that's why I did not go public with it. It's also only tested on my windows box. All the best, Christian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tino Wildenhain Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:18 AM To: Kelvin Cheong Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters Hi Kelvin, Kelvin Cheong wrote: i was wondering how i can use chinese characters with Zpe on Linux. does anyone know how? According to my "mild" research so far, i found out that Big5is a 2-byte code and is a part of ISO-10646/Unicode. It also seems to be the de-facto for traditional chinese characters. There're also Unicode CJK and GB. But GB is for China, which uses simplified chinese characters. And CJK includes both Big5 and GB. classic zope is built on python 1.52 and does not naturally support unicode. But there is a light on the horizont: http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/wstring I have a vision of everything working together for localizing and internationalisation ;-) Regards Tino ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) VCN - The Leader In Corporate Communication Solutions Visit our website at http://www.vcn.com.my. or http://www.vcnlinux.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters
With reference to inputting chinese characters I have similar issues within handling Japanese. My two solutions are either use Internet Explorer (if you have a windows machine) and use their add on extensions (download 5.5 and look at the extra options during download setup) or use emacs with MULE. Obviously there are limitations with the emacs method with what you can and can not edit. Some distributions of Linux will allow you to setup your environment in both Japanese and English and toggle between the. I think the same is true for Chinese. Try Kondara at http://www.kondara.com - I saw a demo of their new version at the Linux Expo which seemed to work well. Apart from playing with a Japanese distribution for fun I haven't done any serious work with these. Note that if you ever want to start storing your characters in external databases you will need to make sure that it can handle your encoding as well. MySQL has to be compiled with a certain config flag and I believe the same is true with Postgres. Otherwise strange things will happen :-) Ian ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
RE: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters
Hi there, I am using Zope successfully with Chinese (Traditional) on Windows. For forward compatibility, I am storing it as UTF-8, which is one storage format for Unicode/ISO 10646 (aka as UCS). It used to work nice until Zope 2.2, where some of the display got mangled. I submitted a patch to the Collector to fix this problem some weeks ago, so hopefully this will go away in the future. Anothere thing is being able to use ZCatalog: I privately patched the splitter program, which is used to split strings into words. I am not yet satisfied with the solution, that's why I did not go public with it. It's also only tested on my windows box. All the best, Christian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tino Wildenhain Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:18 AM To: Kelvin Cheong Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters Hi Kelvin, Kelvin Cheong wrote: i was wondering how i can use chinese characters with Zpe on Linux. does anyone know how? According to my "mild" research so far, i found out that Big5is a 2-byte code and is a part of ISO-10646/Unicode. It also seems to be the de-facto for traditional chinese characters. There're also Unicode CJK and GB. But GB is for China, which uses simplified chinese characters. And CJK includes both Big5 and GB. classic zope is built on python 1.52 and does not naturally support unicode. But there is a light on the horizont: http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/wstring I have a vision of everything working together for localizing and internationalisation ;-) Regards Tino ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Using Chinese Characters
i was wondering how i can use chinese characters with Zpe on Linux. does anyone know how? According to my "mild" research so far, i found out that Big5is a 2-byte code and is a part of ISO-10646/Unicode. It also seems to be the de-facto for traditional chinese characters. There're also Unicode CJK and GB. But GB is for China, which uses simplified chinese characters. And CJK includes both Big5 and GB. The most puzzling thing to me is how all this works. Do i need a special browser, font server, Zope products? And when i can display chinese characters using any one of the standards, how am i going to input it in the first place? And last but not least, how does all this ascii and unicode conversion work together? I've seen a couple of chinese sites running on Zope, and was wondering if I could get some help in here. Anyone have any ideas? VCN - The Leader In Corporate Communication Solutions Visit our website at http://www.vcn.com.my. or http://www.vcnlinux.com ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters
Hi Kelvin, Kelvin Cheong wrote: i was wondering how i can use chinese characters with Zpe on Linux. does anyone know how? According to my "mild" research so far, i found out that Big5is a 2-byte code and is a part of ISO-10646/Unicode. It also seems to be the de-facto for traditional chinese characters. There're also Unicode CJK and GB. But GB is for China, which uses simplified chinese characters. And CJK includes both Big5 and GB. classic zope is built on python 1.52 and does not naturally support unicode. But there is a light on the horizont: http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/wstring I have a vision of everything working together for localizing and internationalisation ;-) Regards Tino ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Using Chinese Characters
At 2000-09-07 21:18 +0200, Tino Wildenhain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelvin, Kelvin Cheong wrote: i was wondering how i can use chinese characters with Zpe on Linux. does anyone know how? According to my "mild" research so far, i found out that Big5is a 2-byte code and is a part of ISO-10646/Unicode. It also seems to be the de-facto for traditional chinese characters. There're also Unicode CJK and GB. But GB is for China, which uses simplified chinese characters. And CJK includes both Big5 and GB. classic zope is built on python 1.52 and does not naturally support unicode. But there is a light on the horizont: http://www.zope.org/Members/htrd/wstring I have a vision of everything working together for localizing and internationalisation ;-) It's good to finally see some Unicode support coming through. I'm a bit surprised that Guido didn't mandate Unicode support from the beginning, given that Python is a relative newcomer to the programming scene. I imagine Python 2 will have full Unicode support, right? Or is it already in Python 1.6? Bad news is that Unicode is not good enough. It allows for about 64k characters, yet Chinese alone (Han ideographs) has over 75,000 (maybe a lot more, but that includes old, rare and uncommon characters). When will we see support for UCS (Universal Character System, ISO 10646) which uses (up to) 32 bit (31 bit?) characters. As far as I know, at present the only UCS characters currently defined are those defined by Unicode (about 40,000 of them), but we should be supporting it now in readiness for the future. Food for thought. Zai jian! (Too bad email is plain ASCII or I could use the proper characters!) David Trudgett ___ Zope maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
