Re: [Zope-dev] Bravery Zope 2.5 Testers
Matthew T. Kromer wrote: OK, I am formulating a hypothesis that if you replace ExtensionClass.h in Zope 2.4 and Zope 2.5 with the following one: http://cvs.zope.org/~checkout~/Zope/lib/Components/ExtensionClass/src/ExtensionClass.h?rev=1.16.140.2content-type=text/plain (Which goes in lib/Components/ExtensionClass/src/ExtensionClass.h btw) and rebuild zope python2.1 wo_pcgi.py and rebuld any other modules you may have which depend on extension class that some of the segfaults could go away. I have one person testing this right now, and am looking for others to prove it. My System is very oft crashing - here is the log --- 2001-12-03T13:54:09 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Mon Dec 3 14:54:09 2001: Aiieee! 24162 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:49:04 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:49:04 2001: Aiieee! 21743 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:50:52 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:50:52 2001: Aiieee! 27028 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:51:15 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:51:15 2001: Aiieee! 27083 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:51:45 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:51:45 2001: Aiieee! 27118 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:53:36 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:53:36 2001: Aiieee! 27154 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:54:23 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:54:23 2001: Aiieee! 27228 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:18:04 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:18:04 2001: Aiieee! 27260 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:38:51 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:38:51 2001: Aiieee! 27775 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:42:09 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:42:09 2001: Aiieee! 28198 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:44:59 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:44:59 2001: Aiieee! 28311 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:45:50 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:45:50 2001: Aiieee! 28421 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:51:43 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:51:43 2001: Aiieee! 28461 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T13:52:36 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 14:52:36 2001: Aiieee! 2215 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T14:07:49 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 15:07:49 2001: Aiieee! 15784 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T07:31:39 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 08:31:39 2001: Aiieee! 20380 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T07:48:50 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 08:48:50 2001: Aiieee! 21874 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T07:56:16 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 08:56:16 2001: Aiieee! 22040 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:02:15 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:02:15 2001: Aiieee! 22131 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:03:26 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:03:26 2001: Aiieee! 22240 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:10:29 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:10:29 2001: Aiieee! 22281 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:11:06 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:11:06 2001: Aiieee! 22417 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:41:42 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:41:42 2001: Aiieee! 22445 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T09:24:19 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 10:24:19 2001: Aiieee! 22886 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T10:18:56 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 11:18:56 2001: Aiieee! 23468 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T11:02:32 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 12:02:32 2001: Aiieee! 24061 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T11:45:35 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 12:45:35 2001: Aiieee! 24940 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T12:48:49 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 13:48:49 2001: Aiieee! 25060 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:16:23 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:16:23 2001: Aiieee! 25837 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:24:00 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:24:00 2001: Aiieee! 28674 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:31:58 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:31:58 2001: Aiieee! 28822 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:40:20 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:40:20 2001: Aiieee! 29166 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T14:48:50 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 15:48:50 2001: Aiieee! 30233 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-06T07:48:48 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Dec 6 08:48:48 2001: Aiieee! 316 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-06T07:52:41 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Dec 6 08:52:41 2001: Aiieee! 552 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-06T08:02:34 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Dec 6 09:02:34 2001: Aiieee! 661 exited with error code: 11
[Zope-dev] Very serious problem with Zope 2.4.x !!
Hi,
I've a very serious problem with Zope 2.4.x and Python 2.1/2.1.1/2.2b2
running on linux.
Zope auto restart when I call a simple python script with this contents:
--start--
province =
[('AG','Agrigento'),('AL','Alessandria'),('AN','Ancona'),('AO','Aosta'),('AR
','Arezzo'),('AP','Ascoli
Piceno'),('AT','Asti'),('AV','Avellino'),('BA','Bari'),('BL','Belluno'),('BN
','Benevento'),('BG','Bergamo'),('BI','Biella'),('BO','Bologna'),('BZ','Bolz
ano'),('BS','Brescia'),('BR','Brindisi'),('CA','Cagliari'),('CL','Caltanisse
tta'),('CB','Campobasso'),('CE','Caserta'),('CT','Catania'),('CZ','Catanzaro
'),('CH','Chieti'),('CO','Como'),('CS','Cosenza'),('CR','Cremona'),('KR','Cr
otone'),('CN','Cuneo'),('EN','Enna'),('FE','Ferrara'),('FI','Firenze'),('FG'
,'Foggia'),('FO','Forlì'),('FR','Frosinone'),('GE','Genova'),('GO','Gorizia'
),('GR','Grosseto'),('IM','Imperia'),('IS','Isernia'),('AQ',L'Aquila),('SP
','La
Spezia'),('LT','Latina'),('LE','Lecce'),('LC','Lecco'),('LI','Livorno'),('LO
','Lodi'),('LU','Lucca'),('MC','Macerata'),('MN','Mantova'),('MS','Massa
Carrara'),('MT','Matera'),('ME','Messina'),('MI','Milano'),('MO','Modena'),(
'NA','Napoli'),('NO','Novara'),('NU','Nuoro'),('OR','Oristano'),('PD','Padov
a'),('PA','Palermo'),('PR','Parma'),('PV','Pavia'),('PG','Perugia'),('PS','P
esaro e
Urbino'),('PE','Pescara'),('PC','Piacenza'),('PI','Pisa'),('PT','Pistoia'),(
'PN','Pordenone'),('PZ','Potenza'),('PO','Prato'),('RG','Ragusa'),('RA','Rav
enna'),('RC','Reggio Calabria'),('RE','Reggio
Emilia'),('RI','Rieti'),('RN','Rimini'),('RM','Roma'),('RO','Rovigo'),('SA',
'Salerno'),('SS','Sassari'),('SV','Savona'),('SI','Siena'),('SR','Siracusa')
,('SO','Sondrio'),('TA','Taranto'),('TE','Teramo'),('TR','Terni'),('TO','Tor
ino'),('TP','Trapani'),('TN','Trento'),('TV','Treviso'),('TS','Trieste'),('U
D','Udine'),('VA','Varese'),('VE','Venezia'),('VB','Verbania'),('VC','Vercel
li'),('VR','Verona'),('VV','Vibo
Valentia'),('VI','Vicenza'),('VT','Viterbo'),('EE','Stato Estero')]
return province
--end---
Zope restart with a DTML Method version of this script too.
It's a very serious problem because Zope restart with a segmentation fault.
I've tested this bug in Zope 2.4.1, 2.4.2, 2.4.3, 2.5.x... the same
result. ; (
I've posted this bug in Zope Collector ( http://collector.zope.org/Zope/76 )
but I've got no reply..
I suppose it's a problem of Restricted Python machinery that PythonScript
and DTML share.
Compiling python with --without-pymalloc option Zope autorestart itself
with a minor frequency.. but it restart.. ; ((
IMPORTANT: I tested it with a NEW Zope instance with simply only one
PythonScript in the root folder with the content I specified.. It restart!!
Solutions?
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56122 Pisa (PI) - Italy
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Re: [Zope-dev] Bravery Zope 2.5 Testers
Harald Koschinski wrote: Matthew T. Kromer wrote: OK, I am formulating a hypothesis that if you replace ExtensionClass.h in Zope 2.4 and Zope 2.5 with the following one: http://cvs.zope.org/~checkout~/Zope/lib/Components/ExtensionClass/src/ExtensionClass.h?rev=1.16.140.2content-type=text/plain (Which goes in lib/Components/ExtensionClass/src/ExtensionClass.h btw) and rebuild zope python2.1 wo_pcgi.py and rebuld any other modules you may have which depend on extension class that some of the segfaults could go away. I have one person testing this right now, and am looking for others to prove it. My System is very oft crashing - here is the log --- 2001-12-03T13:54:09 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Mon Dec 3 14:54:09 2001: Aiieee! 24162 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:49:04 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:49:04 2001: Aiieee! 21743 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:50:52 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:50:52 2001: Aiieee! 27028 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:51:15 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:51:15 2001: Aiieee! 27083 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:51:45 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:51:45 2001: Aiieee! 27118 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:53:36 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:53:36 2001: Aiieee! 27154 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T06:54:23 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 07:54:23 2001: Aiieee! 27228 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:18:04 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:18:04 2001: Aiieee! 27260 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:38:51 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:38:51 2001: Aiieee! 27775 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:42:09 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:42:09 2001: Aiieee! 28198 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:44:59 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:44:59 2001: Aiieee! 28311 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:45:50 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:45:50 2001: Aiieee! 28421 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T07:51:43 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 08:51:43 2001: Aiieee! 28461 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T13:52:36 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 14:52:36 2001: Aiieee! 2215 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-04T14:07:49 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Tue Dec 4 15:07:49 2001: Aiieee! 15784 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T07:31:39 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 08:31:39 2001: Aiieee! 20380 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T07:48:50 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 08:48:50 2001: Aiieee! 21874 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T07:56:16 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 08:56:16 2001: Aiieee! 22040 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:02:15 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:02:15 2001: Aiieee! 22131 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:03:26 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:03:26 2001: Aiieee! 22240 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:10:29 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:10:29 2001: Aiieee! 22281 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:11:06 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:11:06 2001: Aiieee! 22417 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T08:41:42 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 09:41:42 2001: Aiieee! 22445 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T09:24:19 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 10:24:19 2001: Aiieee! 22886 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T10:18:56 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 11:18:56 2001: Aiieee! 23468 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T11:02:32 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 12:02:32 2001: Aiieee! 24061 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T11:45:35 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 12:45:35 2001: Aiieee! 24940 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T12:48:49 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 13:48:49 2001: Aiieee! 25060 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:16:23 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:16:23 2001: Aiieee! 25837 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:24:00 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:24:00 2001: Aiieee! 28674 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:31:58 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:31:58 2001: Aiieee! 28822 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T13:40:20 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 14:40:20 2001: Aiieee! 29166 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-05T14:48:50 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Wed Dec 5 15:48:50 2001: Aiieee! 30233 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-06T07:48:48 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Dec 6 08:48:48 2001: Aiieee! 316 exited with error code: 11 2001-12-06T07:52:41 ERROR(200) zdaemon zdaemon: Thu Dec 6 08:52:41 2001: Aiieee! 552 exited with error code: 11
[Zope-dev] Re: Very serious problem with Zope 2.4.x !!
Thanks so much for the excellent repeatable test case. Hopefully we can
get it fixed soon. There's no workaround for now except for maybe not
creating and returning a list with so many elements.
Stefano Noferi wrote:
Hi,
I've a very serious problem with Zope 2.4.x and Python 2.1/2.1.1/2.2b2
running on linux.
Zope auto restart when I call a simple python script with this contents:
--start--
province =
[('AG','Agrigento'),('AL','Alessandria'),('AN','Ancona'),('AO','Aosta'),('AR
','Arezzo'),('AP','Ascoli
Piceno'),('AT','Asti'),('AV','Avellino'),('BA','Bari'),('BL','Belluno'),('BN
','Benevento'),('BG','Bergamo'),('BI','Biella'),('BO','Bologna'),('BZ','Bolz
ano'),('BS','Brescia'),('BR','Brindisi'),('CA','Cagliari'),('CL','Caltanisse
tta'),('CB','Campobasso'),('CE','Caserta'),('CT','Catania'),('CZ','Catanzaro
'),('CH','Chieti'),('CO','Como'),('CS','Cosenza'),('CR','Cremona'),('KR','Cr
otone'),('CN','Cuneo'),('EN','Enna'),('FE','Ferrara'),('FI','Firenze'),('FG'
,'Foggia'),('FO','Forlì'),('FR','Frosinone'),('GE','Genova'),('GO','Gorizia'
),('GR','Grosseto'),('IM','Imperia'),('IS','Isernia'),('AQ',L'Aquila),('SP
','La
Spezia'),('LT','Latina'),('LE','Lecce'),('LC','Lecco'),('LI','Livorno'),('LO
','Lodi'),('LU','Lucca'),('MC','Macerata'),('MN','Mantova'),('MS','Massa
Carrara'),('MT','Matera'),('ME','Messina'),('MI','Milano'),('MO','Modena'),(
'NA','Napoli'),('NO','Novara'),('NU','Nuoro'),('OR','Oristano'),('PD','Padov
a'),('PA','Palermo'),('PR','Parma'),('PV','Pavia'),('PG','Perugia'),('PS','P
esaro e
Urbino'),('PE','Pescara'),('PC','Piacenza'),('PI','Pisa'),('PT','Pistoia'),(
'PN','Pordenone'),('PZ','Potenza'),('PO','Prato'),('RG','Ragusa'),('RA','Rav
enna'),('RC','Reggio Calabria'),('RE','Reggio
Emilia'),('RI','Rieti'),('RN','Rimini'),('RM','Roma'),('RO','Rovigo'),('SA',
'Salerno'),('SS','Sassari'),('SV','Savona'),('SI','Siena'),('SR','Siracusa')
,('SO','Sondrio'),('TA','Taranto'),('TE','Teramo'),('TR','Terni'),('TO','Tor
ino'),('TP','Trapani'),('TN','Trento'),('TV','Treviso'),('TS','Trieste'),('U
D','Udine'),('VA','Varese'),('VE','Venezia'),('VB','Verbania'),('VC','Vercel
li'),('VR','Verona'),('VV','Vibo
Valentia'),('VI','Vicenza'),('VT','Viterbo'),('EE','Stato Estero')]
return province
--end---
Zope restart with a DTML Method version of this script too.
It's a very serious problem because Zope restart with a segmentation fault.
I've tested this bug in Zope 2.4.1, 2.4.2, 2.4.3, 2.5.x... the same
result. ; (
I've posted this bug in Zope Collector ( http://collector.zope.org/Zope/76 )
but I've got no reply..
I suppose it's a problem of Restricted Python machinery that PythonScript
and DTML share.
Compiling python with --without-pymalloc option Zope autorestart itself
with a minor frequency.. but it restart.. ; ((
IMPORTANT: I tested it with a NEW Zope instance with simply only one
PythonScript in the root folder with the content I specified.. It restart!!
Solutions?
--
Stefano Noferi
n o z e S.r.l.
Soluzioni Open-Source
Via Caduti del Lavoro, 32
56122 Pisa (PI) - Italy
Tel: +39 (0)50 533320
Fax: +39 (0)50 526604
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.noze.it
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no more SIG11 --without-pymallog --without-cycle-gc (was Re:[Zope-dev] Bravery Zope 2.5 Testers)
Hi folks, I also tried the CVS ExtensionClass.h but it didn't help. We kept getting the SIG11's. However, after reading all comments on this problem report on sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailatid=105470aid=471942group_id=5470 pointed out in this list by Joseph Wayne Norton, and the diff -u between the CVS ExtensionClass.h and the one that came with zope 2.4.3, I decided to try recompiling python --without-cycle-gc (in addidtion to --without-pymalloc, which we used before causing an increase in time between restarts from 15 min to 40 min). Now our zope is running for 17 hours 29 min 40 sec (pasted from the Control_Panel) without a single SIG11, YAY!!! I strongly recommend anyone running into these Aiieee! 54321 exited with error code: 11 to recompile their pythons --without-cycle-gc to see if the SIGSEGVs go away. Maybe even for Stefano Noferi's script? Throw in a --without-pymalloc for good measure :-) Now our zope is probably slowly leaking some cycles, but what the heck, I can live with restarting zope once per week. With ZEO it comes back in 2 seconds anyway :-) Cheers, Leo PS: No, I have no intention to check if --with-pymalloc --without-cycle-gc also works :-) On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 19:57, Matthew T. Kromer wrote: OK, I am formulating a hypothesis that if you replace ExtensionClass.h in Zope 2.4 and Zope 2.5 with the following one: http://cvs.zope.org/~checkout~/Zope/lib/Components/ExtensionClass/src/ExtensionClass.h?rev=1.16.140.2content-type=text/plain (Which goes in lib/Components/ExtensionClass/src/ExtensionClass.h btw) and rebuild zope python2.1 wo_pcgi.py and rebuld any other modules you may have which depend on extension class that some of the segfaults could go away. [...] -- Ideas don't stay in some minds very long because they don't like solitary confinement. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Dieter Maurer wrote: Not out of the box. You could place something before ZCatalog (which parses subquerie for search term and expands them into a set of synonyms). But you would need to work quite hard to get true semantic search... A while back when I was working with ZCatalog I thought I saw support for a synonym table in the default Splitter. I don't think there was any management interface to using it, though. --RDM ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Very serious problem with Zope 2.4.x !!
This might be related. http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/archive.pl?id=82start=2001- 12-11end=2001-12-17mid=242328threads=1 Thanks so much for the excellent repeatable test case. Hopefully we can=20 get it fixed soon. There's no workaround for now except for maybe not=20 creating and returning a list with so many elements. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
