-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 21 April 2004 11:53, Andre Meyer is believed to have said: > Well, Maik has more than a bad day. In fact, he is rather right about > the points he raises! > > I have been developing for Zope for about half a year now and it took > considerable effort to get anything going. I have experience with > filesystem-based Zope 2 products, Plone and Archteypes and a bit of Zope > 3. While Z3 looks promising it is not likely to just take over Z2. It is > too much different. The biggest problem, however is the lack of (any > useful) documentation and sample code. Without the help of the mailing > lists you cannot get far with Zope. >
I don't agree. I am new to zope. So I tried zope2 first, because plone had a lot of appeal. I got discouraged very quickly, because zope2 is so very grown over a time it's hard to join later. Zope3 seemed quite well documented and I had no problems going on on my own. ( There is a tutorial, a cookbook, and an online apidoc ) I can say nothing however to migrating apps from zope2 to zope3. > With respect to CMS, Plone archetypes are too simplistic for complex > data/document types and customisation takes too much effort. > > Do not get me wrong! I decided to use Zope because it fits my bill and I > am willing to invest more time in Python/Zope/Plone, because I like it a > lot (*). But be aware of J2EE/.Net, especially after the Sun/M$ > agreement. I have been a Java developer for years and I know that there > are a lot of (commercial) parties to develop whatever anyone needs, if > you pay them. The same must be true of .Net. > Right, I am developing Java applications for a living as well. I have been focused on consultancy work recently ( writing tech-specifications and projectmanaging for a really big publishing company ) and I think Zope / python has a good potential for use in commercial apps/systems. I have had to work with some premium CMSes and some of them really suck. I'd swap it gladly. > A good IDE for Python/Zope with support for application patterns, UML, > etc. would be a good thing. Real application development is a serious > business and good tools are essential, just like deadlines and > milestones for new releases and up-to-date documentation. I am currently > using Eclipse with PyDev, but it has a long way to go until it offers > the wealth of support that Eclipse offers for Java. Boa Constructor is a > good try, too. > I tried Eclipse, but its so slow. > This is meant to encourage everybody, I am an optimist ;-) Beware of the > pragmatic commercial developers. > As to be pragmatic: It is easier and faster to write a functionality in python than in java and thus cheaper. I say : beware of the Marketing. We had to migrate a banking system from a corba/c++ system to J2EE during the last phase of the project, because the customer had heard of 'this J thing everyone is using'. > > (*) fyi http://zope.org/Members/drapmeyer/spyse > > Chris Withers wrote: > > Martin Kretschmar wrote: > >> Maik Jablonski of the german speaking Zope Users Group > >> DZUG issued a pretty bleak outlook for the future of > >> Zope. What are your oppinions? > > > > Maik's having a bad day, he'll get over it ;-) > > > > Chris - -- Eckart Hertzler Senior Consultant G+J Electronic Media Services GmbH 20457 Hamburg Tel. : +49 40 3703 7591 Fax : +49 40 3703 - 5792 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAhlKLxvP4sHhhP/gRAne0AKCXehtMYeMzx1s0N0o+1ph11As/4gCg2Y62 MigAPYapLhAii0HGbEdz84A= =E63J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )