Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 11:52 PM, Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Right - thanks Martijn for spilling the beans prematurely. ;-) I hadn't realized that thing was private, but I don't feel too guilty. The Foundation hasn't been hiding this effort, we just don't want too many cooks involved before it's ready. Anyway, Martin, I'm just recruiting people who want to write content for you and giving you people to add to your list of volunteers to write about Zope 3. I'm hoping you are keeping a list. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Hey,. On Feb 1, 2008 4:09 PM, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] It might be nice for the marketing of zope to give each set of eggs a nice name. Just using familiar mozilla names as an illustration, see how nice zope-thunderbird or zope-firefox look. So do away with the kgs in the name and create a brand where zope 2 doesn't look like the lesser version of zope and zope3 isn't a library. They are only sets of the packages we generally refer to as zope :-) There is this little community project called Grok which among other things aims at better marketing of Zope 3 technologies: http://grok.zope.org We've been at it for over a year. Now with all new website! I realize that Grok isn't to the tastes of everybody in this community. They may wish to market non-Grok Zope 3 better. My suggestion is for them to contribute to the Zope website project: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux (appears down at the moment, but I think that this is the correct URL) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Hi Martijn. I am familiar with grok and the fun and welcoming community you have created. With the perspective I have suggested, releases are only sets with different names giving meaning to each set for developer groups. As a project, grok is currently pinning eggs but can also provide a kgs for the set known as grok. The full story of zope is about the assembly of packages into projects. It need not be only one thing or the other which is the point. It is really up to individual developers to determine their flavor of zope and what it means to their own projects and style of development. My thinking though is that we can create a more cohesive community if the code base were all known as 'zope' and developers are all working from the superset of zope (which is in essence just the code base of packages we all use). Regards, David Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey,. On Feb 1, 2008 4:09 PM, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] It might be nice for the marketing of zope to give each set of eggs a nice name. Just using familiar mozilla names as an illustration, see how nice zope-thunderbird or zope-firefox look. So do away with the kgs in the name and create a brand where zope 2 doesn't look like the lesser version of zope and zope3 isn't a library. They are only sets of the packages we generally refer to as zope :-) There is this little community project called Grok which among other things aims at better marketing of Zope 3 technologies: http://grok.zope.org We've been at it for over a year. Now with all new website! I realize that Grok isn't to the tastes of everybody in this community. They may wish to market non-Grok Zope 3 better. My suggestion is for them to contribute to the Zope website project: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux (appears down at the moment, but I think that this is the correct URL) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:11 PM, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. I don't know how it's been setup, but if you want to join I'm sure Martin Aspeli can help you. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter Web Software Design, Development and Training Google me. Zope Stephan Richter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Stephan Richter a écrit : Not responding to anyone in particular: I see there are plenty people with opinions. I would love not to do the Zope 3 releases anymore! I am tired of the endless discussions. Think I am frustrated? Absolutely! All the suggestions made here require more work, more manpower. But there is nobody doing the work. In fact, I am not even officially the release manager anymore. Remember, other people took over that job, because they wanted to do a release every 6 months? I said back then: Forget it. Nobody believed me and now it has been almost a year since the 3.3.1 release. The only reason I am doing the releases is to tell the world that we are still out there, improving the framework. I believe the reason of your frustration comes from the fact there are probably not so many people who fully understand the whole release process, the kgs, the buildout, how things are scattered into all these eggs, and all the technology surrounding the transition that zope is going through. I'm not here for a long time and I had to spend hours reading docs and searching every single bit of information in the svn. The transition seems now achieved and the most important thing is to have a dedicated web site with clear information, so that there are new users, and new contributors. When someone goes to the zope.org homepage, there is nothing about zope3, just a single link in the left menu. I've heard that some people have started working on a new web site. Who is doing that job, what is the current status, and what can we do to help? Christophe And Tom/SchoolTool is the perfect example why this has to be done. Regards, Stephan ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:04 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The transition seems now achieved and the most important thing is to have a dedicated web site with clear information, so that there are new users, and new contributors. When someone goes to the zope.org homepage, there is nothing about zope3, just a single link in the left menu. I've heard that some people have started working on a new web site. Who is doing that job, what is the current status, and what can we do to help? I agree that updating the website is important. Martin Aspeli is the person to contact on the zope.org effort. I've cc-ed him here. Earlier in this thread I posted a link to the project as it is on the openplans website. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
On Feb 2, 2008 12:09 AM, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:04 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The transition seems now achieved and the most important thing is to have a dedicated web site with clear information, so that there are new users, and new contributors. When someone goes to the zope.org homepage, there is nothing about zope3, just a single link in the left menu. I've heard that some people have started working on a new web site. Who is doing that job, what is the current status, and what can we do to help? I agree that updating the website is important. Martin Aspeli is the person to contact on the zope.org effort. I've cc-ed him here. Earlier in this thread I posted a link to the project as it is on the openplans website. I think the website is one of the huge impediments to joining the Zope community. When you compare zope.org to all the other web framework websites like django, turbogears, and RoR, it is pretty clear why people aren't drawn to Zope 3. Isn't it something of a disgrace that the website for a powerful web application framework is as outdated as zope.org? People don't move to zope for the same reason you wouldn't hire an interior designer who has an ugly house. If things don't really get moving on this front in the near future, it might be a good idea to make zope.org a summer of code project. Would anyone else like to start a new discussion thread on the topic of zope.org? I sure would. Cheers, Paul ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 8:59 PM, Paul Carduner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think the website is one of the huge impediments to joining the Zope community. When you compare zope.org to all the other web framework websites like django, turbogears, and RoR, it is pretty clear why people aren't drawn to Zope 3. Isn't it something of a disgrace that the website for a powerful web application framework is as outdated as zope.org? Oh, I think everybody agrees. We even have a foundation effort to replace the website (the referenced project). We've had several efforts before; some where I myself was involved, but it's a very difficult thing to move forward. We are moving forward however. Note that meanwhile grok.zope.org *does* present a quite welcoming face to Zope 3 technology - last week we had an all-new website going online. Since we just had to worry about grok for that one, we could move more quickly. We definitely designed it so it wouldn't lose out too badly in the comparison with the websites of other web frameworks. People don't move to zope for the same reason you wouldn't hire an interior designer who has an ugly house. If things don't really get moving on this front in the near future, it might be a good idea to make zope.org a summer of code project. Would anyone else like to start a new discussion thread on the topic of zope.org? I sure would. So, as I said above, this is not a new topic. People, including myself, have been pointing this out for years. In public. :) Please do contact Martin Aspeli and join the effort already in progress! Note that we need people who can contribute *content* to the website the most. Those have been the hardest to find in the past. We are beyond technology discussions and the design work is also in good hands. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
