Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Baiju M

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this
design for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy.


+1 for Tom's design to be used for all *.zope.org microsites.

Regards,
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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff

It should be:

.columntwo {
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
left: 150px;
right: 0px;
}


On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Sawyers wrote:


All kinds of weird behavior with that under Firefox on my Mac.
Paste me the entire class definition for .columntwo

Andrew


On 10/16/06 2:51 PM, "Darryl Cousins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 15:25 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
I don't see a rightcolumn class in Foundation stuffmaybe  
missing the

obvious though.

A



Hi Andrew,

This works for me (Firefox 1.5.0.4 - haven't tested IE, but should be
ok):

Replace:

.columntwo {
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
left: 150px;
...

With:

.columntwo {
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
right: 0px; /* changed from left */
margin-left: 150px; /* added */
...

Regards,
Darryl




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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Sawyers
All kinds of weird behavior with that under Firefox on my Mac.
Paste me the entire class definition for .columntwo

Andrew


On 10/16/06 2:51 PM, "Darryl Cousins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 15:25 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
>> I don't see a rightcolumn class in Foundation stuffmaybe missing the
>> obvious though.
>> 
>> A
>> 
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> This works for me (Firefox 1.5.0.4 - haven't tested IE, but should be
> ok):
> 
> Replace:
> 
> .columntwo {
> display: block;
> position: absolute;
> top: 0px;
> left: 150px;
> ...
> 
> With:
> 
> .columntwo {
> display: block;
> position: absolute;
> top: 0px;
> right: 0px; /* changed from left */
> margin-left: 150px; /* added */
> ...
> 
> Regards,
> Darryl
> 


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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Darryl Cousins
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 15:25 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote: 
> I don't see a rightcolumn class in Foundation stuffmaybe missing the
> obvious though.
> 
> A
> 

Hi Andrew,

This works for me (Firefox 1.5.0.4 - haven't tested IE, but should be
ok):

Replace:

.columntwo {
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
left: 150px;
...

With:

.columntwo {
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
right: 0px; /* changed from left */
margin-left: 150px; /* added */
...

Regards,
Darryl

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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Sawyers
I don't see a rightcolumn class in Foundation stuffmaybe missing the
obvious though.

A


On 10/16/06 6:47 AM, "Tom Von Lahndorff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> That should do it. For the Foundation website though it should be on
> the .rightcolumn class.
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Teague wrote:
> 
>> I think I figured out an easy fix for the watermark bug. In
>> the .content declaration of the CSS add:
>> 
>> right: 0px;
>> 
>> This should pin the right side of the content box to the edge of
>> the browser window and the watermark lines up :)
>> 
>> I've only tested this on FF and Safari on Mac, but it should work
>> in IE6, that's a pretty stable, bug free browser ...
>> 
>> - Kevin
>> 
>> On Oct 15, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Michael Bernstein wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 11:12 -0700, Michael Bernstein wrote:
 Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width
 of the
 'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is
 causing the
 grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these
 pages,
 instead of lining up with the to header watermark.
>>> 
>>> Typo, sorry: "top header watermark".
>>> 
>>> - Michael Bernstein
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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Darryl Cousins
On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 06:51 -0400, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
> Im noticing that the pages of the Foundation website are pages within  
> pages. Meaning entire pages including the doctype, body and head tags  
> were pasted within the site wrapper. These secondary doctype body and  
> head tags should be removed.

Hi Tom,

Yes, I have sent a fix through to Andrew (who has access to the code on
the server).

Regards,
Darryl

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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Simon Michael
Kevin - whether this is the final design or not - beautiful. :) Thanks for 
doing this.


My 2c - as a consumer of zope docs, I'd be happy to see this very classy 
water-motif top bar used across a bunch of zope foundation & zope.org 
microsites. Also I like very much that you've kept the body font at a 
standard size.


Later,
-Simon

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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Chris Withers

Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this design 
for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy. 


Me too. I'm +sys.maxint on this, we've wasted way too much time already 
wanking around various designs.


Tom has done an amazing amount of work in this area, lets not make him 
do any more than he needs to :-)


Chris

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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:43, Andrew Sawyers wrote:

Besides, if we choose a
different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
matter.


Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for
zope.org, no?
So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites.
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You are right Lennart - I think Jens is a little confused.  :)


I don't think so. The foundation design was based on zope.org design  
mockups, but AFAIK the actual discussion about what design to use for  
zope.org had not ended. We just took the mockup for the foundation  
site because we needed something right away and the foundation site  
design did not elicit as much discussion as the overall zope.org design.


Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this  
design for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy. I'm just  
trying to make sure we have a decision supported by a majority, which  
I did not think existed for zope.org - only for foundation.zope.org.


jens

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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Sawyers
This will not be the case in the official foundation website.  There's
apparently a bug in docutils

Andrew


On 10/16/06 6:51 AM, "Tom Von Lahndorff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Im noticing that the pages of the Foundation website are pages within
> pages. Meaning entire pages including the doctype, body and head tags
> were pasted within the site wrapper. These secondary doctype body and
> head tags should be removed.
> 
> On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/06 2:12 PM, "Michael Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 23:37 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
 See:  foundation.zope.org
 
 This is using Darryl's magic.  It was painful to get such a beast
 of RH 9
 working (with 2 arms tied behind my back) but we did it.  Thanks
 Darryl and
 David from ZC.
 
 I will need to speak with someone about getting the necessary
 pieces from
 Darryl's end into svn so we can have the whole ball of wax in svn.
>>> 
>>> Great work! Very classy looking, and well organized.
>>> 
>>> Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width of
>>> the
>>> 'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is
>>> causing the
>>> grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these
>>> pages,
>>> instead of lining up with the to header watermark.
>>> 
>>> This was observed with Firefox 1.5.
>>> 
>>> - Michael Bernstein
>>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, this happens to me as well.  I'm cc'ing Tom to see if he
>> might have
>> some fixes in mind...
>> 
>> Andrew Sawyers
>> 
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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Sawyers



On 10/16/06 9:35 AM, "Lennart Regebro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
>> don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
>> work for other microsites has been done.
> 
> Yes, good point!
> 
>> Besides, if we choose a
>> different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
>> jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
>> matter.
> 
> Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for
> zope.org, no?
> So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites.
> ___

You are right Lennart - I think Jens is a little confused.  :)

A


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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Sawyers

On 10/16/06 9:32 AM, "Jens Vagelpohl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> 
> On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:26, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> 
>> On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
>>> design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
>>> things.
I thought the exact opposite.  Go figure.

I think the foundation site slurped the new zope.org look and feel because
it was something that needed to be up sooner.

> 
> You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
> don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
> work for other microsites has been done. Besides, if we choose a
> different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
> jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
> matter.
> 
> We should have a quick show of hands throughout today to make sure we
> don't end up in some squabble over this.
> 
> +1 from me - I think the simple foundation design is perfectly fine
> for the wiki microsite.
> 
> jens

Regardless, clarification and finalization would be nice.
I think the work Tom did for the zope.org site should span all the
*.zope.org sites.

Andrew


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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Lennart Regebro

On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we
don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign
work for other microsites has been done.


Yes, good point!


Besides, if we choose a
different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you
jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't
matter.


Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for
zope.org, no?
So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites.
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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:26, Lennart Regebro wrote:


On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
things.


Yes. That said, that design is better than no design, so if the skin
works, I think we could quickly take a decision to use it.


You're definitely right on that, I just wanted to bring it up so we  
don't have a lot of people starting to complain *after* the redesign  
work for other microsites has been done. Besides, if we choose a  
different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you  
jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't  
matter.


We should have a quick show of hands throughout today to make sure we  
don't end up in some squabble over this.


+1 from me - I think the simple foundation design is perfectly fine  
for the wiki microsite.


jens


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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Lennart Regebro

On 10/16/06, Jens Vagelpohl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_
design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different
things.


Yes. That said, that design is better than no design, so if the skin
works, I think we could quickly take a decision to use it.

+ 1 from me.

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Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki

2006-10-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 16 Oct 2006, at 01:53, Kevin Teague wrote:


Hello zope-web,

I'd like to help out with the effort to renew the zope.org web site 
(s). I've started developing a new skin for ZWiki intended for use  
with the new zope 3 wiki. Copying the style from the new Zope  
Foundation site seemed like a good place to start - it would be  
nice if the new microsites have a reasonably consistent look and  
feel. I've put up a development copy of an initial skin here:


Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_  
design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different  
things.


jens


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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff


Also noticed the Committer Member links goes to a broken page.
http://foundation.zope.org/members/committer_members.html


On Oct 16, 2006, at 6:40 AM, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:



Ill look into it.

On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Andrew Sawyers wrote:


On 10/14/06 2:12 PM, "Michael Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 23:37 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:

See:  foundation.zope.org

This is using Darryl's magic.  It was painful to get such a  
beast of RH 9
working (with 2 arms tied behind my back) but we did it.  Thanks  
Darryl and

David from ZC.

I will need to speak with someone about getting the necessary  
pieces from

Darryl's end into svn so we can have the whole ball of wax in svn.


Great work! Very classy looking, and well organized.

Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width  
of the
'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is  
causing the
grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these  
pages,

instead of lining up with the to header watermark.

This was observed with Firefox 1.5.

- Michael Bernstein



Yeah, this happens to me as well.  I'm cc'ing Tom to see if he  
might have

some fixes in mind...

Andrew Sawyers



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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff


Im noticing that the pages of the Foundation website are pages within  
pages. Meaning entire pages including the doctype, body and head tags  
were pasted within the site wrapper. These secondary doctype body and  
head tags should be removed.


On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Andrew Sawyers wrote:


On 10/14/06 2:12 PM, "Michael Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 23:37 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:

See:  foundation.zope.org

This is using Darryl's magic.  It was painful to get such a beast  
of RH 9
working (with 2 arms tied behind my back) but we did it.  Thanks  
Darryl and

David from ZC.

I will need to speak with someone about getting the necessary  
pieces from

Darryl's end into svn so we can have the whole ball of wax in svn.


Great work! Very classy looking, and well organized.

Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width of  
the
'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is  
causing the
grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these  
pages,

instead of lining up with the to header watermark.

This was observed with Firefox 1.5.

- Michael Bernstein



Yeah, this happens to me as well.  I'm cc'ing Tom to see if he  
might have

some fixes in mind...

Andrew Sawyers



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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff


That should do it. For the Foundation website though it should be on  
the .rightcolumn class.



On Oct 16, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Kevin Teague wrote:

I think I figured out an easy fix for the watermark bug. In  
the .content declaration of the CSS add:


right: 0px;

This should pin the right side of the content box to the edge of  
the browser window and the watermark lines up :)


I've only tested this on FF and Safari on Mac, but it should work  
in IE6, that's a pretty stable, bug free browser ...


- Kevin

On Oct 15, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Michael Bernstein wrote:


On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 11:12 -0700, Michael Bernstein wrote:
Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width  
of the
'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is  
causing the
grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these  
pages,

instead of lining up with the to header watermark.


Typo, sorry: "top header watermark".

- Michael Bernstein

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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff


Ill look into it.

On Oct 15, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Andrew Sawyers wrote:


On 10/14/06 2:12 PM, "Michael Bernstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 23:37 -0400, Andrew Sawyers wrote:

See:  foundation.zope.org

This is using Darryl's magic.  It was painful to get such a beast  
of RH 9
working (with 2 arms tied behind my back) but we did it.  Thanks  
Darryl and

David from ZC.

I will need to speak with someone about getting the necessary  
pieces from

Darryl's end into svn so we can have the whole ball of wax in svn.


Great work! Very classy looking, and well organized.

Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width of  
the
'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is  
causing the
grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these  
pages,

instead of lining up with the to header watermark.

This was observed with Firefox 1.5.

- Michael Bernstein



Yeah, this happens to me as well.  I'm cc'ing Tom to see if he  
might have

some fixes in mind...

Andrew Sawyers



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Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site

2006-10-16 Thread Kevin Teague
I think I figured out an easy fix for the watermark bug. In  
the .content declaration of the CSS add:


right: 0px;

This should pin the right side of the content box to the edge of the  
browser window and the watermark lines up :)


I've only tested this on FF and Safari on Mac, but it should work in  
IE6, that's a pretty stable, bug free browser ...


- Kevin

On Oct 15, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Michael Bernstein wrote:


On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 11:12 -0700, Michael Bernstein wrote:
Minor consistency nit: Something seems to be changing the width of  
the
'columntwo' div in all the pages under 'Membership'. This is  
causing the
grey Z-ball watermark to shift left by various amounts for these  
pages,

instead of lining up with the to header watermark.


Typo, sorry: "top header watermark".

- Michael Bernstein

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