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JAMES: Would you say that fear is predominant or underlying the other instincts?
That is how I see it but I could be wrong.
# Yes, at root fear is the most basic of
all the instinctual survival passions ... hence fear rules the world of sentient
beings.
Regards,Richard.
RICHARD: And, as I am saying that all
existence is absolute ...
SOMENDRA: This is non-sense. Existence changes all the time. That which changes can
not be absolute. Sorry.
HERMANN: Can there be no movement in the absolute?
RICHARD: A seminal question, which
intrigued me for a number
Somendra: Haven't heard from Richard in a while.
# I have not been doing much writing for some months now (other than posting
to my own mailing list) however I am still subscribed to Listening-l.
Somendra: Hope everything is alright with you.
# Everything is excellent, thank you ... as it would
hi richard any fool knows the things you have written here. she doesnt need your teaching. she is smart enough and already knows these .
Hi none,
You don't want me to talk withAnne? Ok.
Richard
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Richard: I have not been doing much writing for some months now (other than
posting to my own mailing list) however I am still subscribed to
Listening-l.
Somendra: Too bad. Reading your posts was quite a delight. I am not
subscribed to your mailing list. May be you should cc: some of your posts
RICHARD: None of them can actually
care, though because they are not carefree.
ROB: I [take] that to say: because they are caught in the self-absorbed
concerns of an imaginary, psychologically separate self they cannot actually
care. I would appreciate your comments.
# As you have explained
On the contrary, as compassion is born out of sorrow, compassion
perpetuates me (albeit in an aggrandised form).
Regards,
Richard.
hj: That's quite a mouthful, Richard. The
thing that you here call 'compassion' does indeed
exist: The enhaned ego born from sorrow. But the
word
MARILYN: Everything is *now*, inside; outside. It doesnt
matter where you start. Im not talking about some discarnate, bodiless,
incorporeal thing in some no-time-no-space sort of
existence.
GREG: LOL Richard is that you? That is a dualistic interpretation. What is
corporeal is an aspect
Richard: # Everything is excellent, thank you ... as
it would seem to be for you (I have been following your posts with
interest).
Marilyn: It would be interesting to know what sort of interest you
find in following SP's posts.
Sundar: You echoed that very first question that came
RICHARD: ... only a person that can
stand on their own two feet and think for themselves is likely to be free of all
the ills of humankind.
MARILYN: Only outside of thought is there no conditioning. We have lived in and
acted from thought for umpteen million years, and the more we think
RICHARD: Mr. Rabindranath Tagore also
explicitly says my God in other verses: [quote]: In one salutation to thee,
my God, let all my senses spread out and touch this world at thy feet.
(Gitanjali, Song Offerings by
Rabindranath Tagore).
SOMENDRA: The God is the infinitude
to understand.
Regards,Richard.
of relying
upon hallowed (but specious) 'ancient wisdom'?
Marilyn: Aye, indeed it is, Richard. You are a good teacher.
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JJ: There is something I am curious about Richard. You say that you are a
flesh and blood body only which I agree with. I was wondering why you smoke
when you know the facts about the harm that smoking does to the flesh and
blood body?
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Haven't heard from Richard in a while.
Hope everything is alright with you.
Also haven't heard in a very long time from Lee J.
Todd.
Hope everything is fine with you too.
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Richard: # Everything is excellent, thank you ... as
it would seem to be for you (I have been following your posts with
interest).
Marilyn: It would be interesting to know what sort of interest you
find in following SP's posts.
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Observing life expression in oneself is fascinating .
So, there is this living possibility of "consciousness transformation".
Somebody interested in sharing about personal investigations ?
Luke.
Hi Luke,I am interested. What have you found? You sound gay. Are you?Richard
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[mark]: living that way, as robot man, is not really a game,
for this behavior is after all really who he is, having real
consequences on his life and on shaping his world.
Sundar: Right. Well said. And I forgot about his responses to Richard.
hj: Sp and Richard food for smug gossip
On Fri, 10 May 2002, Richard Gere wrote:
Hi Anne, of course I am a real person even if Buddhism doesn't posit the existence
of a self.
Yes, I am an actor too. The fact that you know who Richard Gere is shows that you
are my
kind of gal. What would you like to talk about, sweetheart
(then maybe you
will find yourself responding intelligently without the need for a
resolve).
Regards,Richard.
Marilyn:Indeed.'Resolve' is as worthless
as seeking 'spiritual enlightnment'.
Richard: Everything is excellent, thank you ... as it would seem to be for
you (I have been following your posts with interest).
Marilyn: It would be interesting to know what sort of interest you find in
following SP's posts.
Sundar: You echoed that very first question that came to my mind after
Hi Anne, of course I am a real person even if Buddhism doesn't posit the existence of a self.
Yes, I am an actor too. The fact that you know who Richard Gere is shows that you are my
kind of gal. What would you like to talk about, sweetheart?
Richard
Anne Whitefield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
MARILYN: I think I have hurt Richards feelings ...
# Ha ... only in your dreams and
schemes.
MARILYN: ... (yes, I know he says he doesnt have any, but I dont believe him)
...
# I do not want any one to merely believe
me. I oft-times stress to people how important it is that they see
ANGEL: Whats the problem little Richard, are your disciples getting nervous? Is
there such revolt in your church because neurology denies your statements than
you must come hasty with this pathetic post, trying to inject confusion with
tons of words painted with superficial logic
EDWARD: Why do we teach (and were taught) to want?
RICHARD: So as to change ones lot in
life.
EDWARD: Hum how stupid are you Richard, we have been doing that for 3 million
years, and each change is for the worse, for it is thought invented. The
consciousness that created what is, cannot
the replies into an already formatted duplicate copy in my word
processor anyway.
*
RICHARD: A seminal question, which
intrigued me for a number of years, was what the nature of that movement in
the absolute was.
HERMANN: It must the same as the movement of life.
RICHARD: Yet life is a movement
...never have liked soap operas;
role playing seems contrived...
and drama takes so much energy.
don't buddhists recommend a middle
way, which would tend to free one
from drama?
On Fri, 10 May 2002, Richard Gere wrote:
Hi Anne,
Birth name? Well, as a Buddhist, I don't believe in re
posts to the list
cannot be reviewed. Perhaps it may help if I add what I recall to what
you have said. I do not remember any discussion between Konrad
and Richard where Richard's brain damage during the war was mentioned.
I remember that Konrad claimed that this is what Richard had told him
message, why do you have
difficulty understanding what Richard is saying?
IMO, anyone who understand what K said, will have no
difficulty following what Richard is saying.
This is just an observation and I do not either expect
a reply or wish to get in to a Richard VS. K debate.
Thanks
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To: listening-l [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: What is Intelligence? ( Richard )
JJ: There is something I am curious about Richard. You say that you are a
flesh and blood body only
SP AND Richard:
Richard: Twas a sobering seeing ...
they were as mad and as bad and as sad as the rest of
the globe.
SP: So, India could have been any other country...
say, Australia, and the conclusion that you arrived at
would have been the same. Right?
Then, why single out India for your
MARILYN: You may have some sort of actual freedom, but more than likely, it is a
contrived freedom and not a total freedom.
RICHARD: How can living in an ambrosial
paradise twenty four hours of the day be construed as being a contrived
freedom?
MARILYN: Im not a psychiatrist. Why dont you
RICHARD: ... only a person that can
stand on their own two feet and think for themselves is likely to be free of
all the ills of humankind.
MARILYN: Only outside of thought is there no conditioning. We have
lived in and acted from thought for umpteen million years
Hi Ed,
Actually, what you see is what you get. The five senses are all there are, and enlightenment
has nothing to do with either eastern spirituality or western philosophy;definitely not quantum
physics, modern shamanism.
Yes, the five senses are all there are. No Ed Carp.
Richard.
Ed Carp
mark: I take your view of high school drop outs
to be another foolishly arrogant
and biased comment, which only reflects on your
repeatedly poor ability to think rationally.
It is not Richard, but you who
made the inference that the percentage is too
high. Richard only questioned
RICHARD: ... it is the identity (I as
ego and me as soul) residing parasitically in all human beings who is rotten
to the core ... and it is this entity who stuffs up any lifestyle practice
and/or political system be it hunter-gather, agrarian, industrial or
socialist, communist
In a message dated 2/22/2003 10:41:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pat Buchanan last night: The three people who will be most
disappointed if there isn't a war (led by the US against Iraq)
are: Richard Pearl, Ariel Sharon, and Osama bin Laden.
rob: can someone tell
MARK: I am reminded of Marcel Prousts lines that we are trapped in acting out
last weeks play.
EDWARD: Perfect Mark, and last week you were also trapped in the same place, and
the week before, on and on. :)) Your parents were as well, so were theirs, when
do we end the play.
RICHARD
#('when will we end the play') was not a
sincere question in the first place. The rest is history.
EDWARD: So is the play, Richard, for me.
# You are not dealing with an impressionable tyro
here, Edward, as I lived that/was that
Enlightened/Transformed state, night and day for
eleven
MARILYN: A flower doesnt bloom in a toxic dump unless it is some sort of rare
flower a freak flower. We all know to whom I am referring. Its not Edward;
Richard; Gv; Rv; or SUV.
RICHARD: Do you mean to say that you
still have not comprehended even one basic, fundamental thing after all our
- Original Message -
From:
Richard
To: Listening-L
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:18
AM
Subject: Re: Existence
RICHARD: ... as this flesh and blood
body only (which means sans I as ego and me as soul) I am this universe
experiencing itself
- Original Message -
From:
Richard
To: Listening-L
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:18
AM
Subject: Re: Existence
RICHARD: ... as this flesh and blood
body only (which means sans I as ego and me as soul) I am this universe
experiencing itself
Title:
RICHARD: Mr. Rabindranath Tagore also
explicitly says my God in other verses: [quote]: In one salutation to thee,
my God, let all my senses spread out and touch this world at thy feet.
(Gitanjali, Song Offerings by
Rabindranath Tagore).
SOMENDRA: The God is the infinitude
SOMENDRA: ... that which is omni- time, space, and form can not but be beyond time,
space and form.
RICHARD: If its name be Brahma, yes ...
if its name be universe, no.
SOMENDRA: I asked you to do this simple experiment: take all possible forms and put
them in a container and see what form
JJ: Would you say that fear is predominant or underlying the other
instincts? That is how I see it but I could be wrong.
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Richard: I have not been doing much writing for some months now (other than
posting to my own mailing list) however I am still subscribed to
Listening-l.
Somendra: Too bad. Reading your posts was quite a delight. I am not
subscribed to your mailing list. May be you should cc: some of your posts
Richard: Everything is excellent, thank you ... as it would seem to be for
you (I have been following your posts with interest).
Marilyn: It would be interesting to know what sort of interest you find in
following SP's posts.
Richard: Okay ... this quote will throw some light upon the matter
Richard: I have not been doing much writing for some months now (other than
posting to my own mailing list) however I am still subscribed to
Listening-l.
Somendra: Too bad. Reading your posts was quite a delight. I am not
subscribed to your mailing list. May be you should cc: some of your
Angel Garcia, aka, shit watcher:
The boat is completely full of shit anew. Amen.
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On Fri, 10 May 2002, Luke Simon wrote:
From: Richard Gere [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:Talking about doing
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Observing life expression in oneself is fascinating .So, there is this
living possibility of consciousness
Bob: I was speaking of the attempt by some to discredit the words K spoke
as a way of discrediting the man.
Marilyn: Som was trying to discredit K by saying that K didn't live by the
words he spoke.
Richard was trying to discredit the words that K spoke saying they don't
deliver the goods
MARILYN: I learned that life is relationship, and that is constantly changing, so
you might say that everything is always in question.
RICHARD: Okay ...
let us start here then: are you prepared to question whether life is indeed
relationship?
MARILYN: Sure. Where do we go from here
MARILYN: Som was trying to discredit K by saying that K didnt live
by the words he spoke. Richard was trying to discredit the words that K spoke
saying they dont deliver the goods ...
# Basically I am saying that
spiritual enlightenment does not deliver the goods it (supposedly) promises
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school drop outs
to be another foolishly arrogant
and biased comment, which only reflects on your
repeatedly poor ability to think rationally.
It is not Richard, but you who
made the inference that the percentage is too
high. Richard only questioned the accuracy of
the methodology
Pat Buchanan last night: The three people who will be
most disappointed if there isn't a war (led by the US
against Iraq) are: Richard Pearl, Ariel Sharon, and Osama bin Laden.
rob: can someone tell me who Richard Pearl is?
is he in the Bush
regime
whenever you sincerely want
it to, Edward, for no one is preventing you from bringing it to an end but
yourself.
Your freedom is in your hands and your
hands only.
Regards,Richard.
SP: No offences meant, and just as a curiosity, if you
think you have understood K's message, why do you have
difficulty understanding what Richard is saying?
IMO, anyone who understand what K said, will have no
difficulty following what Richard is saying.
rob: good one.
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Richard: Speaking personally, I found that to
emotionally
accept that which is intellectually unacceptable was to enable
one's native
intelligence to emerge into full view of its own accord.
And thus intelligence was no
longer
crippled.
JJ: Yes, I agree with this. My intelligence is clearly
- Original Message -
From:
Richard
To: Listening-L
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:20
PM
Subject: Re: No Separate Observer
RICHARD: No ... there was no I am or I was or I experienced at
all. There was only love ... and its compassion poured forth
Sundar: If there was no psychological motivation, what
is the need to
ask Richard to ask about india?
SP: See my response to Richard.
Allow me to remind: your call to the list to avod
corresponding with SP is still outstanding.
Well, I guess in a way your spending time on-line is
good
in action amongst its peers.
Regards,Richard.
Now Richard perhaps we can converse,
given you said "currently" that is of importance, not the age old words that
have lead us to "current".
Thanks,
Edward
EDWARD: ... it is given I delete most of the messages not addressed to me, they
are mostly full of comparison and theory, at times I skim the rhetoric and find
a Jewel, however for the most part it is repetition of age old
thought.
RICHARD: Okay ... and just where in
what I write
post:
[Hermann]: K sat out the second world
war and rejected all condemnation of the enemy that was expected of him. He
just said look into your own heart and see if you are free of
that.
Could you provide the full quote ...
preferably referenced?
Regards,Richard.
else.
# Would this anger in X, Y, or Z
be what expressed itself in Mr. Jiddu Krishnamurti, in the real-life litigious
relationship with his erstwhile associate Mr. D. Rajagopal, rather than what two
friends sitting together under a tree would ideally be expressing?
Regards,Richard.
Richard: Tis the universe which is immortal ... not
some god(or ground of being by whatever name).[A]
Richard: I am mortal.[B]
SP: Can mortality ever know that which is immortal?
[A] and [B] are mutually contradictory statements, my
friend.
So, which one is it, [A] or [B
RICHARD: And, as I am saying that all existence is absolute ...
SOMENDRA: This is non-sense. Existence changes all the time. That
which changes can not be absolute. Sorry.
HERMANN: Can there be no movement in the absolute?
# A seminal question, which intrigued me for a number of years
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HERMANN: Richard, I did read your responses, but found them a bit
unmanageable, and so I delayed. As Ive mentioned before, I have
an aversion to long threads. At the same time, I dont want to
withdraw from the discussion. So Ill just select a few
Just curious.
Are you kidding? Somendra worships the prowess that Richard
displays with his encyclopedic knowledge, his master of the English language
and his convoluted 'message' which he passes off as some sort of
illogical logic. You can tell how much Som worships power of any kind
: RICHARD: ... only a person that can stand on their own two feet and
: think for themselves is likely to be free of all the ills of humankind.
What a challenge! One has to be a standing on their own feet type
person. Then one has to know all the ills of humankind and concurrently
discover
, is that I can
be as much addicted to the suffering, which ensues as the eventual result of the
high evaporating, as I am addicted to the high in the first place.
Arguably more so, perhaps, despite how
perverse the notion may sound at first hearing.
Regards,Richard.
Marilyn: I observe what the world is doing; what I am doing.I wonder at
the observation. I wonder if we will ever see theinsanity so completely that
we will stop doing the insane.Do you ever wonder if that is possible?
Richard: If I may point out? You are not observing what theworld
Marilyn: Well, among the people on this earth, there is
nothing but concepts. That is a fact, and it is perceived.
You, like Richard, only want to win a debate through logic.
1. I am not familiar with who Richard is.
2. I will leave you to reflect on your aggressive
Marilyn: Well, among the people on this earth, there is
nothing but concepts. That is a fact, and it is perceived.
You, like Richard, only want to win a debate through logic.
1. I am not familiar with who Richard is.
2. I will leave you to reflect on your
geo Only if we mean the same thing.
Som: Check out the meaning of "meditation" and "meditatively" in a good
dictionary and then we can talk.
geo LOL. Good one.
Reminds me of Richard the freaked-out from canguru-land
Som: You don't need a Richard to see the absurdity of yo
RICHARD: When one walks naked (sans
I as ego and me as soul) in the infinitude of this actual universe there
is the direct experiencing that there is something precious in living
itself.
(snip discussion about writing
style).
RICHARD: One must come to ones
Richard: Everything is excellent, thank you ... as it would seem to be for
you (I have been following your posts with interest).
Marilyn: It would be interesting to know what sort of interest you find in
following SP's posts.
Sundar: You echoed that very first question that came to my mind after
Hi Anne,
Birth name? Well, as a Buddhist, I don't believe in re-incarnation. Re-birth is also
not quite correct. The closest term I can think of is "re-becoming". So, I guess
"Richard Gere" is my re-becoming name.
You are more cinema-savvy than you think. You don't t
have said. I do not remember any discussion between Konrad
and Richard where Richard's brain damage during the war was mentioned.
I remember that Konrad claimed that this is what Richard had told him,
and that this supported his theory as to what accounted for Richard's
behavior.
As I also
RICHARD: On the contrary, as compassion
is born out of sorrow, compassion perpetuates me (albeit in an aggrandised
form).
HERMANN: Thats quite a mouthful, Richard. The thing that you here call
compassion does indeed exist: The enhanced ego born from sorrow. But the word
compassion
RICHARD: ... it is the identity (I as
ego and me as soul) residing parasitically in all human beings who is rotten
to the core ... and it is this entity who stuffs up any lifestyle practice
and/or political system be it hunter-gather, agrarian, industrial or
socialist, communist
RICHARD: I have travelled the country and overseas talking with many and
varied peoples from all walks of life; I have been watching TV, videos, films,
whatever media is available; I have been reading about other peoples
experiences in books, journals, magazines, newspapers (and latterly
conditions which enslave them
[endquote].
RICHARD: But I am in no way enslaved (I
am freed of any enslavement) ... and that which was detrimental to advancement
is gone forever.
MARILYN: You appear to be enslaved by some state of being to which you have given
the name, actual freedom.
RICHARD
RICHARD: Mr. Rabindranath Tagore also
explicitly says my God in other verses: [quote]: In one salutation to thee,
my God, let all my senses spread out and touch this world at thy feet.
(Gitanjali, Song Offerings by
Rabindranath Tagore).
SOMENDRA: The God is the infinitude
Richard wrote:
HERMANN: Let me start with a technical question. I generally like to
delete everything but the text to which I reply. My feeling is that
you have other preferences. So Ive copied the part Im replying to at
the top, without deleting the rest. Let me know your feelings
HERMANN: Richard, I did read your responses, but found them a bit unmanageable,
and so I delayed. As Ive mentioned before, I have an aversion to long threads.
At the same time, I dont want to withdraw from the discussion. So Ill just
select a few items from memory to respond to. It seems
RICHARD: ... for maybe 6.0 billion
peoples the sensate experience (sensation) is primary, the affective experience
(feelings) is secondary and the cerebral experience (thought) is tertiary. The
primary experience is pristine.
MARILYN: I do not doubt that the primary experience is
pristine
RICHARD: ... I was
merely nipping this hypocritical wisdom in the bud before it bloomed into yet
another (unexamined) pithy aphorism tirelessly trotted out by those who cannot
think for themselves. For a hoary example (which I have used before on this
Mailing List): Those who know do
RICHARD: There was only love ... and
its compassion poured forth endlessly, unstoppable.
MERV: Why do you call it love instead of some feeling?
RICHARD: This was the deepest feeling
possible; an enduring, timeless passion quite removed from the norm ... it was
an unsurpassable state
not remember any discussion between Konrad
and Richard where Richards brain damage during the
war was mentioned. I remember that Konrad claimed that this is what Richard
had told him, and that this supported his theory as to
what accounted for Richards behaviour.
SUNDAR: So it seems
- Original Message -
From:
Richard
To: Listening-L
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:54
PM
Subject: Re: What Is The Actual
Issue?
MARILYN: [Richard]: I have taken the liberty of snipping your
disingenuous question [Marilyn: when will we end it?] off
Title: The End Of Ross's Confusion
RICHARD: The end of Rosss confusion:
http://www.kfa.org/thecore.htm
SOMENDRA: I admire your optimism.
RICHARD: Good. Because optimism(*)
is indeed an admirable quality and admiration(**) can oft-times be the first
step towards emulation(***).
SOMENDRA
HERMANN: K, when asked during WWII to condemn the enemy, always advised the
questioners to look into themselves and eradicate anger there. Not many people
listened.
RICHARD: Your words in regards to
eradicating anger have caught my attention ... and I see that you mentioned this
advice
HERMANN: I took Richards first question for some documentation to be
sincere.
RICHARD: Then you took it correctly ...
I would have appreciated the verbatim words as peace-on-earth is my top
priority. Whereas Mr. Jiddu Krishnamurti made it very clear where his peace lay
... the answer
SOMENDRA: To insist that one absolute is different than another (and also better)
is to be caught in the Web of dualistic Maya, wherefrom all sorrow, violence,
domestic and child abuse, etc., emanate.
RICHARD: It is this simple: you are
speaking of a metaphysical absolute and I am speaking
RICHARD: ... I was agreeing with you
that the metaphysical meaning you give to the word intelligence was the same as
I started off with. Vis.: [Hermann]: ... an all pervasive intelligence which
operates outside of thought. (...) Intelligence to me is not a material quality
that can
RICHARD: What if the essential nature
of the absolute is not beyond human comprehension ... do you see how you close
the door on enquiry by saying that it be obvious that it is?
GREG: It is quite evident when you are at the end of the rope of
thought.
RICHARD: Only where thought is tethered
Richard: Everything is excellent, thank you ... as it would seem to be for
you (I have been following your posts with interest).
Marilyn: It would be interesting to know what sort of interest you find in
following SP's posts.
Richard: Okay ... this quote will throw some light upon the matter
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