313 related internet radio?

2014-10-12 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Hi guys, Can someone recommend good 313 or 313 related techno/house internet radio station? Thanks --

Re: 313 related internet radio?

2014-10-12 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
like legowelt, DJ TLR and co.  Highly recommended! Peace, Patrick.  — Sent from Mailbox On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Ivan Tomasevic to...@tesla.rcub.bg.ac.rs wrote: Hi guys, Can someone recommend good 313 or 313 related techno/house internet radio station

(313) new Ultradyne

2012-12-18 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
new site is up, and there's some new material in the pipeline to be released in early 2013. http://www.pi-gaomovement.com/store/artists/ultradyne/pgm009 --

(313) Detrechno anyone?

2012-04-14 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
what's going on with Detrechno these days? I was pleasently surprised with Rock The Bells, and was hoping that their releases will be more regular in days to come, but it has been 4 years since the last release. i --

Re: (313) Drexciya re-issue/compilation available now.

2011-12-06 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
no, it was definitely Alden Tyrell. On Tue, 6 Dec 2011, Wibo Lammerts wrote: I thought I read somewhere it was Dexter who did the remastering, but I could be mistaken... 2011/12/6 Patrick Wacher pwac...@gmail.com: Just saw on Clone's site that the Drexciya re-issue CD is now available:

Re: (313) Extensive show about UR/G2G from Melbourne radio RRR

2011-10-16 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
nice show, but I wish their latest releases were filled with pure UR GOLD :( On Fri, 14 Oct 2011, Greg Earle wrote: Grab this quick before they remove download access in a couple of days ... it's filled with pure Mad Mike GOLD!

(313) short Shake interview

2011-10-03 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
http://www.dazeddigital.com/music/article/11314/1/anthony-shake-shakir hopefuly we won't have to wait for that (long overdue) album for long. --

(313) Legowelt - The Teac Life

2011-08-23 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
new album available at www.legowelt.com sounds nice --

(313) Global Communication - Back in the Box

2011-08-22 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i don't think this was mentioned earlier http://hardwax.com/63633/ http://hardwax.com/63632/ mighty fine selection of early 90s techno, electronica, pre-idm and whatnot. unmixed and mixed CD versions and also 3x sampler vinyl. --

(313) record stores in Nottingham?

2011-05-12 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
hi all, i'll be visiting Nottingham in a week or so, so i was wondering if there are good records stores with 313 related music there that i should visit. thanks, ivan --

Re: (313) new Model 500 preview

2010-09-08 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
ships on monday http://interstellarsounds.com/product.php?productid=3970cat=166page=1 the price is cool too On Wed, 8 Sep 2010, Greg Earle wrote: On Sep 8, 2010, at 1:58 PM, I wrote: On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:28 AM, Ivan Tomasevic wrote: sounds nice http://clone.nl/item18548.html You

(313) record stores in Portugal

2010-08-31 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
I'll be visiting Portugal in next couple of days, so I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good record store in Lisbon and Coimbra with 313 related material? thanks! --

(313) test - ignore

2010-08-27 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
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Re: (313) detroit music

2010-07-11 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
last few releases by OO weren't that good IMHO, but since i'm a big fan of their early stuff (i've left little fortune on discogs trying to obtain copies of their music) i'm putting my hopes on this one. On Fri, 9 Jul 2010, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks new email address wrote: New

Re: (313) the face may 1988?

2010-06-14 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
they were known as Yazoo in Europe, and as Yaz in the States. they were distributed in the US as Yaz because the name Yazoo was already in use by a small American band. great band, too. On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, James Hancock wrote: alsion moyet yes but it is yazoo not yaz

Re: (313) what's rockin' my box lately 313 and related wise

2010-04-05 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
I've been enjoying Atlantess, a new EP by Taho for a couple of weeks now. Really nice sort of hi-tech jazz kind of thing. For now only available as digital download, afaik. Hieroglyphic Being's last couple of records are also great. It looks to me like Jamal Moss can't miss really. I

RE: (313) what's up with Ultradyne?

2010-03-19 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
, 2010 12:17 AM To: Ivan Tomasevic Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what's up with Ultradyne? I don't know if Alex is on the list anymore so I'll chime in...Ultradyne is no more, Alex Dennis aren't making music together anymore. I think Alex said he hadn't been working on music for awhile

(313) what's up with Ultradyne?

2010-03-18 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i was just listening to some older vinyls i have and remembered how great Ultradyne's music is, so i was wonderring what's up with them guys these days? Lugo is on the list, right? will there be any new stuff soon? --

(313) Frictionalism

2009-12-08 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
it's out http://rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=52168 cd/web release should follow in about a moth or so. --

Re: (313) anthony 'shake' shakir - frictionalism

2009-11-07 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
hell yeah! i just can't wait! On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Marsel van der Wielen wrote: anthony 'shake' shakir - frictionalism - rush hour - 4xlp http://www.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=52168 anthony 'shake' shakir - frictionalism - rush hour - 3xcd

(313) Alex Cortex on today's techno scene

2009-10-23 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i hope it's not a repost. anyway, nice reading. http://www.testindustries.com/2009/10/alex-cortex-not-so-slight-return.html regards, ivan --

Re: (313) New Shake soon

2009-07-05 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Speaking of Shake, someone mentioned that Rush Hour was planning on releasing some sort of Shake collection, so I was wondering if anyone knows what's up with that. On Sat, 4 Jul 2009, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks wrote: Ivan Tomasevic wrote: FRCT 015, it sounds interesting http

(313) New Shake soon

2009-07-04 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
FRCT 015, it sounds interesting http://www.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=50879 it also looks like Levitate Venice proper release is about to hit the stores very soon. cant wait! --

Re: (313) DJ mix CDs - good ones

2009-05-27 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Claude Young's DJ Kicks and Welcome to Central second CD are quite nice, Dan Bell's Globus Mix vol 4 also. On Wed, 27 May 2009, Michael Elliot-Knight wrote: I know most commercially available DJ mix CDs are crap but I'd like to find some more good ones Flipping through what I have already I

(313) Octave One - Summers on Jupiter

2009-02-08 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
has anyone heard this? what are the opinions? i've downloaded it from Beatport yesterday, and i must say that i think it's mediocre at best. i miss the good old days of 430 west. i hope they'll put their back cataloque on Beatport, or re-release som of the early 430 west stuff. --

(313) 365 Bla(c)k

2009-01-22 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
http://www.ourstage.com/fanclub/nikomarks Looks like 365 Blak album is about to hit the stores soon. Is Raphael Merriweathers still with the group (and is this the same as 365 Black / Unit 2)? --

(313) sons of the dragon?

2008-10-30 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
this morning i came accross this http://www.interstellarsounds.com/product.php?productid=2858cat=0page=1 does anyone know who these guys are? what kind of sound can we expect? regards, ivan --

(313) Creepy Autograph?

2008-06-04 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Does anybody know anything about this guy (guys/girl)? I've came across two of his records recently, and the label says all tracks recorded in Detroit in 1996. Some of the tracks are realy cool electro.

(313) UR - World's toughest tribe

2008-02-24 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
http://www.discogs.com/release/588436 http://www.discoverychannel.co.uk/dangerousjobs/worldstoughesttribes/index.shtml --

Re: (313) Los Hermanos

2008-02-15 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i've picked it up a week ago, and i must say that i've expected more. the album is good, don't get me wrong, but that's all. on another level was better IMHO. i've also downloaded tokem - a story in sound via dancetracksdigital. now that's a good peace of music. regards On Fri, 15 Feb

(313) Niko Marks downloads?

2008-01-16 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
is there a place where I could download (buy) Niko Marks' House Music Celebration and Music For Life? --

(313) AW question

2007-11-30 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i've read Arne Weinberg's interview for 11th hour recently, and it says that there was an album planed to be released for Keynote records, called Gargoyles, so i was wondering what happened with that? also i've stubmbled across a demo called Gargoyles, supposedly by AW, on the SoulSeek and i

(313) kevin saunderson pres. party of the year?

2007-08-12 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
hey everybody! this guy is offering me used Kevin Saunderson presents The Party Of The Year, but the thing is that there's only one CD, and wneh i checked Discogs it said that there should be 2 CDs (released on KMS UK, the second one mixed by KMS), so i was wondering if any other label

(313) speaking of Convextion...

2006-12-21 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i've stumbled across a double CD on Soulseek that is, allegedly, done by Convextion (promo CD with 6 tracks on each CD), so i was wondering if theese are really Convextion tracks or is this some sort of trick. any help? --

Re: (313) mp4 to mp3 converter

2006-09-18 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
try Easy CD-DA Extractor. it has Audio File Format Converter in it. i'm using it, it's very good and easy to use/ regards ivan On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's a monday without an off topic issue? i'm looking for program to batch convert m4a to mp3 anyone? --

Re: (313) Detroit to Russia (was: The joy of ordering from Submerge?!)

2006-09-14 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
there are Detroit lovers in Belgrade, Serbia too :) regards On Wed, 13 Sep 2006, kent williams wrote: I've not really picked thru the subscriber list to see where people are writing from, but there are subscribers from all over the world. At this point Ljubljana is a bigger techno town in

RE: (313) detroit beatdown question

2006-09-13 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Message- From: Ivan Tomasevic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 September 2006 19:47 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) detroit beatdown question is there any diference between tracks on CD and on triple vinyl pack? thanks --

(313) detroit beatdown question

2006-09-12 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
is there any diference between tracks on CD and on triple vinyl pack? thanks --

(313) UR question

2006-09-03 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Wikipedia says that The prominent German Techno label Tresor reissued 12-inches from the early UR catalog and a React label compilation featured exclusive tracks from Banks and other UR artists. has React ever released UR compilation? --

Re: (313) UR question

2006-09-03 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
afaik, the only atrist from UR camp on that compilation is Drexciya, right? On Sun, 3 Sep 2006, vecto000 wrote: True People? - Original Message - From: Ivan Tomasevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: (313) UR question

Re: (313) somwhere in detroit mix series question

2006-08-18 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
in detroit. On 8/17/06, Ivan Tomasevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, i know about the one done by DJ 3000, but are there other volumes of Somewhere In Detroit mix done by B. Calloway an DJ Dex and S2? On Thu, 17 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.submerge.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc

(313) somwhere in detroit mix series question

2006-08-17 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i've stumbled across somwhere in detroit mix series done by b. calloway and dj dex on soulseek, but i can't find more onfo on theese releases, so i was wondering if they really exist or is this some kind of joke. if they exist is it possible to buy them somwhere? --

Re: (313) somwhere in detroit mix series question

2006-08-17 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
-- Original message -- From: Ivan Tomasevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] i've stumbled across somwhere in detroit mix series done by b. calloway and dj dex on soulseek, but i can't find more onfo on theese releases, so i was wondering if they really exist or is this some kind

(313) sade - detroit soul mixes

2006-05-24 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i came across this release on soulseek, and it apperas to be a cd?! i know that there is a vinyl release with this name with moodymann remix on it, but there's no record about this release at all (btw, it was released in 2002, or so it says). anyway, can anyone tell me if that remix that was

(313) spam-need octave one tracklist

2005-07-23 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
a friend gave me The Living Key (To Images From Above) CD-R with tracklist written by hand, but i have reasons that tracklist (or the order of the tracks on CD) is not right, so i was wondering if someone could post me tracklist with running times for each track on this CD. thanx --

(313) Buzz Goree mix

2005-04-08 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i hope this is not a re-post. http://www.submerge.com/bookings/media/buzz2005.mp3 it would be nice if someone could help me with the tracklist. regards ivan --

(313) was Larkins Metaphor ever released by Planet E?

2005-02-12 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
my friend says yes, i say no, so we had a bet. discogs.com says no, but i think it's better to check it out with the experts on the list. thanks --

(313) spam - how to remove clicks and hiss?

2005-01-07 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i'm trying to digitalise my record collection, so i was wondering is there a way efficiently remove clicks and hiss from the recording without sound loss? i've tried Sound Forge and DartPro, but they take off the good sounds too (high freqs and stuff) together with noise. thanks ivan --

Re: FW: (313) Rhythm Sound live sets?

2004-11-29 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
to hear, I've now got hold of two and have high hopes of getting the third. However I'm drawing blanks on #4: Rhythm Sound live which a couple of folks Ivan Tomasevic Toby Frith posted about back in July. Ivan recommended www.4four.org they have 30 something minutes of Scion Tikiman from DEMF. I

Re: (313) Shake mixes onlline?

2004-10-09 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i think www.d-i-r-t-y.com has one. ivan On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know where I can find some mixes of Anthony Shakir online? I'm going to forward the link to some local promoters who haven't heard him yet. thanks MEK --

(313) dj athens' mixes

2004-08-26 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can anyone forward links for his last mixes. i kinda lost them. thanks --

(313) UR Label night @ Limelight NY 92 [Hood + Mills] mix

2004-08-18 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
at the bottom of the page http://www.ump3.de/content/livearchiv.html or direkt link for download http://www.simple-answer.com/DJmix.mp3 it would be nice if someone could compile a tracklist for this mix regards ivan --

Re: Fwd: RE: (313) UR Label night @ Limelight NY 92 [Hood + Mills] mix

2004-08-18 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
. -Original Message- From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:12 AM To: Redmond, Ja'Maul Cc: Ivan Tomasevic; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) UR Label night @ Limelight NY 92 [Hood + Mills] mix This mix is killin it! Im working

Re: (313) Rhythm Sound live sets?

2004-07-01 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
try www.4four.org they have 30 something minutes of Scion Tikiman from DEMF (it's downloadable) cheers ivan On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Toby Frith wrote: I'm salivating over the Tikiman Scion set from Mutek 2003 atm, but it's streaming only. Has anyone got any links to any others? --

(313) spam - test

2004-01-21 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
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2004-01-21 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
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(313) UR unexploitable mix on Betoni

2003-12-21 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
-- http://betoni.aivo.com/betoni53.mp3 regards ivan

(313) wizard mixtapes?

2003-12-16 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can any of the Wizard's mix tapes be found somewhere on the net (besides the one on the deephousepage.com)? regards ivan --

(313) real audio - mp3

2003-12-15 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
what was the name of that aplication that can convert real audio files to mp3. regards ivan --

(313) fast forward shows?

2003-12-08 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Vol. 6A is still missing or something... --

Re: (313) fast forward shows?

2003-12-08 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Nope, it's there allright. My mistake, sorry On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Ivan Tomasevic wrote: Vol. 6A is still missing or something... --

(313) fast forward show?

2003-12-07 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i can't seem to download them from www.alanoldham.com. anyone experiencing same problems? regards ivan --

(313) Geoff White 'Nevertheless' tracklist

2003-08-11 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can someone post me tracklist for Geoff White's Nevertheless CD on Cytrax? thanks regards ivan --

(313) Record stores in Helsinki?

2003-07-24 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
I need recomendations on record stores in Helsinki (addresses and stuff), where i can find 313/313related records/cds. thanks ivan --

(313) vladislav delay intreview?

2003-03-27 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
someone posted URL with Delay's interview but i've deleated it, so can someone post it again? thanks ivan --

(313) can anyone recommend ...

2003-03-06 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
... any good dubby Basic Channel like CDs or records? is Pole OK? thanks ivan --

(313) downloading real audio?

2003-02-07 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i know that this was discussed earlier, but i've deleated all earlier messages so i have to ask again. how can i download real media file from the net? there are too many mixes in real audio and i don't have time to listen to them (btw. check out www.d-i-r-t-y.com . Suburban Knight, DJ Bone,

Re: (313) downloading real audio?

2003-02-07 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
as i see it, this thing records ra file while you listen to it, right? if that's the deal, i can already do that with my sound card, but i need something to download ra files. i've tried StreamBox VCR, but it doesn't seem to work on d-i-r-t-y.com. On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Lester Kenyatta Spence

(313) Theorem mp3?

2002-11-27 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
are Theorem's unreleased mp3s still available on m-nus.com (not the ones on th.m-nus.com). i can't find them since site was updated. regards ivan --

(313) Rhythm Sound: Aground/Aerial

2002-11-11 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i need a review of this record. is it as good as their previous releases ? is it beat driven, or is it more like ambient dub? thanks ivan --

(313) Tek Brothers

2002-11-04 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
any comments on the new Tek Brothers CD. is it full lenght album or single cd? regards ivan --

(313) japanese telecom?

2002-10-11 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
was late mr. Stinson behind Japanese Telecom guise? i was just listening to Virtual Geisha. excelent album! regards ivan --

[313] Kevin Saunderson discog?

2002-09-15 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
whhre can i find complete Kevin Saunderson's discography? thanks ivan -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[313] BC interview?

2002-07-22 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
someone mentioned BC interview several weeks ago, so i was wondering where i can find it on the net? regards ivan -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[313] Basic Channel re-arranged and processed

2002-06-21 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i just saw on TechnoTourist that this CD contains 9 (i think) parts witch contain 2 to 4 BC tracks. so, it's not totaly mixed ? i meen, parts are separated, right? regards ivan -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

[313] DJ Rolando's mix @ Risk Club?

2002-05-21 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i found this mix on Audiogalaxy but i haven't download it yet. has anyone heard this? coments? regards ivan -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[313] legion of green men

2001-11-16 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can someone provide me with informations about this guy (or guys)? thanks ivan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[313] theorem/ectomorph

2001-11-15 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can someone post me Theorem's Nano track list? where can i find complete Ectomorph discog? thanks ivan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[313] Theo Parrish's discog?

2001-10-15 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
wher can i find it ? thanks ivan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[313] moodymann/theo parrish discog

2001-09-10 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can someone post me these discogs (or a place on the net where i can find them) please. thanks regards i. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [313] ultradyne

2001-07-10 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
there is an interview with Ultradyne on www.worldtechnonation.com hope this helps regards i. On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Mailer-Daemon wrote: hi,,, does anybody know anything about ultradyne?? where are they from?? ron ron

[313] Rob Hood's discog?

2001-05-31 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can someone post it to me or point me to the place on the net where i can find it. regards ivan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [313] Hardfloor

2001-05-14 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
there is harthouse UK, but it is not hte same one that was managed by sven vaeth. regards ivan On Mon, 14 May 2001, Benn Glazier wrote: Is Harthouse still operating as a label? r./ -- Benn [Royal] Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net phone:

record stores online?

2001-03-16 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i need URLs of good online record stores. can someone help? thanks! regards ivan

japanese telecom?

2001-02-26 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
who is hiding behind this moniker? regards ivan

Blake Baxter interview?

2001-02-14 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
someone mentioned earlier something about mr. Baxter's interview somewhere on the net. where can i find it? peace ivan

RE: [313] Dream Sequence?

2001-02-10 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i think that Tresor 160 is his latest. or maybe i'm wrong? regards ivan On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Jongsma, K.J. wrote: It's a re-release of an old Blake Baxter album. The original album was released in 1992 or so. This is definitly not Blake's best work. Try his latest work or his earliest.

Dream Sequence?

2001-02-09 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can someone post me a review on Dream Sequence album on Tresor (i think it is Tresor 160) and also some more info on this artist, please? thanks ivan

mp3 mixes

2000-12-28 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
can anyone post me URLs with 313 mixes (besides frequencydetroit.com) if there are any. thanks happy New Year to all!!! ivan

true people

2000-12-26 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
i've just bought my copy of this album, and i'm not familliar with last two artists (one is Little Joe and i can't remember the name of the other) on CD2. can anyone tell me anything abou them. peace ivan

Re: [313] track id

2000-12-20 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
Roy Davis Jr. 'Gabriel' peace ivan On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Nathan wrote: hello again does anyone know the artist, name and label that the following track came out on. it goes a little like: one love(?), was the focus of, the true message, message, message, message i'm sure it's

Hungary question

2000-12-15 Thread Ivan Tomasevic
are there any undergrounr record stores in Segedin in Hungary? respect ivan