Haha you wound me to the core - I actually read the Guardian from time
to time. You know I honestly don´t care if the Untrue album is
ultimately awesome on some absolute scale of musical awesomeness. It
sounded really good to me when I was wandering around downtown berlin
at 3 AM the other
Hmm. I don't think anyone has actually said it's new!
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From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 November 2007 07:55
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
yeah, i can't belive this album is getting championed as new
music
On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
Hmm. I don't think anyone has actually said it's new!
Not like, the subject line of the thread or anything ;)
...
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From: Matthew Kane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 November 2007 08:24
To: Odeluga, Ken
Cc: fab.; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
Hmm. I don't think anyone has actually said it's new
On 9 Nov 2007, at 07:54, fab. wrote:
sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me.
If the kids around here were listening to anything as cool as Burial
I'd be very happy, it's mostly really bad chart RB.
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From: Emile Facey
To: fab.
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On 9 Nov 2007, at 07:54, fab. wrote:
sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me.
If the kids
To: kent williams
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just as
popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who don't
follow the scene from what I can tell, as Toby pointed out the album
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Sent: 08 November 2007 16:32
To: kent williams
Cc: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just as
popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who don't
follow
It's not my shelf!
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From: pauley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 November 2007 12:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Is it a big shelf you have
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From: Robert Taylor
To: Odeluga, Ken ; Nick Breinich ; list 313
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
I'm not that down with Burial either - it's OK - nothing offensive - I
just don't see what the fuss
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From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 November 2007 15:27
To: Nick Breinich; list 313
Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie record, and Loefah
and mrk1
On 9 Nov 2007, at 12:22, Robert Taylor wrote:
It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the
shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs
Nice drop kick Rob :) We'll it is Friday I guess...
m
On Nov 8, 2007 10:09 AM, Nick Breinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing
for 45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by
the re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use
of an entire idea. i
That's not strictly true but I can't be arsed to map the early days
of Dubstep out again :)
i think youre going to have to do it man, since i was buying the
records in 00-02 when the name was first being used. any timeline that
includes anything outside of 2-step in its lineage is incorrect,
Nice enough, but too garridgy for my taste.
From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:03:47 +
To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED], kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED],
list 313 313@hyperreal.org
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To: Martin Dust; Robert Taylor
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Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Nice enough, but too garridgy for my taste.
From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:03:47 +
On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Martin Dust wrote:
And for my punishment the job was Aly and AJ, from the Disney
Channel - if you wanna hear some dark sh1t, you should try it for
8hrs :)
Free Association Theatre: One night I was driving home from work and
scanning the AM station for random
fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2007 01:54:43 AM:
dnb-ish trip hop that used to come out on
austrian compilations back in the early nineties
hmm, that sounds good actually - any suggestions?
i bet this dubstep thing will be off the radar in 18 months, just like
what
happened to
On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm, that sounds good actually - any suggestions?
Kruder and Dorfmeister - The KD Sessions.
--
matt kane's brain
http://hydrogenproject.com
aim - mkbatwerk
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I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret
sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one
idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me.
but man, comparing the two straight up is just not what its all
about!
I think it's
oh that sort of thing? I thought we were talking about some weirder
pitched down db experiment that lived a short life.
MEK
Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2007
10:11:02 AM:
On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm, that sounds good actually - any
To: Matt Kane's Brain
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; fab.
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
oh that sort of thing? I thought we were talking about some weirder
pitched down db experiment that lived a short life.
MEK
Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2007
10:11:02
On Nov 9, 2007 11:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you want ground breaking? you know it's ground breaking when you struggle
to find another track to follow it and sound as good
ran into that last night while putting together some records
Al Green Full of Fire - just couldn't find another
HOWEVER, broken beats never was a genre - was never intended to be
a genre
broken beats was how you played it -
Y'know that's how I've always viewed detroit when used as a genre
ie. it isn't, it's more an approach/attitude: house, disco, italo,
detroit techno, electro etc etc
Sorry to
I like the sound of the clips, the garagey element to it appeals to
my ears funnily enough.
Some of the vibe and approach reminds me just a little of SAW-era
Aphex Twin. Perfect winter iPod music from what I can tell.
robin...
On 8 Nov 2007, at 09:00, Mann, Ravinder wrote:
I agree with
On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering
then ...?
Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play in the
studio at all, to my ears, it just sounds really old and a step
backwards into a sound that
But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering
then ...?
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From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 November 2007 11:26
To: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
I just can't get down with the garage sound
I just can't get down with the garage sound at all, it means
something complete different in this grey city (on-top night clubs,
shootings, gang fights and chavs on buses playing that bassline on
their phones) but people seem to be digging it - good luck I say :)
m
On 8 Nov 2007, at
November 2007 18:18
To: Mann, Ravinder
Cc: kent williams; list 313
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On 7 Nov 2007, at 16:28, Mann, Ravinder wrote:
Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same
time, in
the same way Black Secret Technology
: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
I never got into the first Burial as much as I am into this. Though
I'll go back and check it again. It just seemed colder without as much
texture and feeling.
On Nov 7, 2007 10:14 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, something 'OT
On Nov 8, 2007 4:00 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with the garagey comment as it carries a beat I never got into,
it took a leap of faith and a few listens. Not too keen on the title
track tho.
man, the title track and raver are *the* jams on this one, IMO!
total killers.
There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to
absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with
Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has
been doing it since '91.
On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:51, Martin Dust wrote:
On 8 Nov 2007, at
On Nov 8, 2007 8:14 AM, Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to
absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with
Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has
been doing it since '91.
but there
On Nov 8, 2007 8:49 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Burial new album stinks to it's very roots of garage Tom, it's
positively dripping with it.
which is why i like it! and why i think its great that suddenly all
those garage records on my shelf are now cool when they werent just
a
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Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote:
But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering
then ...?
Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play
On 8 Nov 2007, at 13:27, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Nov 8, 2007 8:14 AM, Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to
absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with
Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day,
this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing
for 45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by
the re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use
of an entire idea. i was definitely hoping for a little more
progression in his style.
On 8 Nov 2007, at 14:51, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:
On Nov 8, 2007 8:49 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Burial new album stinks to it's very roots of garage Tom, it's
positively dripping with it.
which is why i like it! and why i think its great that suddenly all
those garage
On 7 Nov 2007, at 18:17, kent williams wrote:
Haha. I've heard a lot of garage and while he's obviously inspired by
some garage, it's a lot messier and less dance-floor pandering. I
like the messiness. I also like the fact that he puts stuff together
just with sound forge.
Kent Wrote:
in
the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of
getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as
opposed
to being words to listen too.
I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret
sounds more modern than the stuff on
Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's
points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd
grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been
exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music
differently.
The
-
From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 November 2007 15:58
To: list 313
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's
points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd
grown up
-- something actually new, I think
this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing for
45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by the
re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use of an
entire idea. i was definitely hoping for a little
--- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie
record, and Loefah
and mrk1 stuff
Which Rustie one Ken? The one on Stuff Records for a
couple of months back?
Just asking because I got a couple of new bits of his
from RubaDub today but havnt
I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just
as popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who
don't follow the scene from what I can tell, as Toby pointed out the
album helped Burial cross over.
On 8 Nov 2007, at 15:57, kent williams wrote:
November 2007 16:19
To: list 313
Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
--- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie
record, and Loefah
and mrk1 stuff
Which Rustie one Ken? The one on Stuff Records for a
couple of months back
I make my living selling 78rpm records now. If you guys don't stop
this nonsense about old and new music I'm going to unsubscribe :P
dated vs fresh makes sense...i guess that's what you guys mean?
bah. i'm going to go listen to a hawaiian record from 1931 now. still
sounds fresh!
and strings... Before the complaints
start to roll in.
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From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 November 2007 16:19
To: list 313
Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
--- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dunno what camp I'm
]; list 313
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to absolutely
love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with Martin all the
way here, give me some
Let's all just say no to gratuitous button pushing mmkay
On Nov 7, 2007 12:07 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ahh tom, you're like the bad song i've heard way too many times. your
buttons are so obvious, and so fun to push
On Nov 7, 2007 12:49 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hows your kid doing, tom?
he's already more intelligent than you and kooky put together and he's
not even 6. and he has better taste in music! it must suck to be crap
compared to a child, im sorry you are so trash.
On Nov 7, 2007 12:55 PM, /0
nothing that is on topic for this list
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From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I
hows your kid doing, tom?
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From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On Nov 7, 2007 12:34 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sounded like
williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same time, in
the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of
getting
Indeed, something 'OT' which is quite *on* T and very welcome. I felt
the same about the first Burial but I will check this now. Thanks!
Ken
-Original Message-
From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 November 2007 16:03
To: list 313
Subject: (313) OT -- something actually
I also like the fact that he puts stuff together
just with sound forge.
Yeah, course he does - can't believe you bought that load of old
balls ;)
On 7 Nov 2007, at 16:28, Mann, Ravinder wrote:
Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same
time, in
the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of
getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as
opposed
to being words to listen too.
Well another county heard from. You're entitled to your opinion of
course, but here's a question: What's really rocking you if you can't
feel this CD?
On Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better
reaction than it
I never got into the first Burial as much as I am into this. Though
I'll go back and check it again. It just seemed colder without as
much texture and feeling.
On Nov 7, 2007 10:14 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Indeed, something 'OT' which is quite *on* T and very welcome. I felt
On Nov 7, 2007 12:34 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better
reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree
that C-work gets an A
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
your existence is such a joke, i can barely
Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same time, in
the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of
getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as opposed
to being words to listen too.
Rav.
-Original Message-
From: kent
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Well another county heard from. You're entitled to your opinion of
course, but here's a question: What's really rocking you if you can't
feel this CD?
On Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM, /0 [EMAIL
: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On Nov 7, 2007 12:49 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hows your kid doing, tom?
he's already more intelligent than you and kooky put together and he's
not even 6. and he has better taste in music! it must suck to be crap
compared to a child, im sorry
On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:03 AM, kent williams wrote:
In fact, to bring it back to Detroit, Burial reminds me a bit of
Moodyman and Theo Parrish, in the way he finds little fragmentary
samples and makes something out of them that leaves their original
context behind.
I only heard an album
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