Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech
please ignore me if the point has already been made, but they did register their email addresses before posting, right? one can't simply post to 4d_tech@lists.4d.com without first joining the list. 2018/07/17 10:34、Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread John Baughman via 4D_Tech
Looking back at your post am I correct that the post that did not make it was Hello World? If so I am not surprised at all. Perhaps they have an automated filter and Hello World is flagged. Why not try sending something useful like introducing one’s self as a list newbie. If that still

Re: How to protect JS Source Code?

2018-07-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
This is a huge benefit for 4D—isn’t it nearly impossible to reverse-engineer a compiled 4D structure? I’m not a hacker but that’s been my assumption all these years. It’s boiled down to machine code and nearly impossible to figure out the source from the compiled app—yes? Thanks, Robert >

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Julio, same here, the very first I’m hearing of it too! If you look at my original post, I simply say that “I take it [based on the circumstances] that the list is… censored” this was a surprise to me too. Yes, perhaps I used a few words that were too strong but sometimes that’s helpful to

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Okay… let’s all take a deep breath. WOW! “Never able to post” means no post was ever visible on the NUG…. Yes, they tried more than once. No one from 4D declared anything, nor was that expected—those that censor typically do not inform those being restricted. Yes, assistance was requested. Yes,

v17 ready for prime time?

2018-07-16 Thread steve simpson via 4D_Tech
I see that a lot of you are using v17, doing active development with it, testing it out with current projects, etc. I don't normally move production projects into a new version until the xx.2 or xx.3 iterations, but am wondering if some of you who are actually using v17 in production could chime

Re: Web Service Properties?

2018-07-16 Thread Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech
maybe they mean, use HTTP authentication not SOAP authentication if BASIC or DIGEST is good enough. http://doc.4d.com/4Dv15/4D/15.6/WEB-SERVICE-AUTHENTICATE.301-3817472.en.html authentication via SOAP header (not HTTP header) is an extended SOAP feature. http://kb.4d.com/assetid=34276

RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech
Tim, Yes, your suggestion is good, if people would take the effort to do that. Our users do not, and hence cause all kinds of problems, which then we have to correct. Education is great, if people would simply listen. I have a couple of signs in my office: 1. I can explain it to you,

RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech
The issue as I understand it is this; Windows Server allows you to have multiple sessions for users concurrently logged in. This can be confusing when multiple people connect expecting to administer the same desktop, but instead of seeing a shared desktop they get their own desktop in their own

RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech
Tim, I don't believe on the latest version you can connect to the console anymore, which is why we are having issues with RD. Steve -Original Message- From: Timothy Penner [mailto:tpen...@4d.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:21 PM To: s.o...@the-aquila-group.com; 4D iNug Technical

RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech
Quote: > Just don't use RD in an environment you don't control because it does not > launch to the console, it creates a new session. If you have multiple people > accessing the same system, they all have their own sessions and it creates > all kinds of problems. You need to make sure the

RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech
Just don't use RD in an environment you don't control because it does not launch to the console, it creates a new session. If you have multiple people accessing the same system, they all have their own sessions and it creates all kinds of problems. Steve -Original Message- From:

Re: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech
I like this as well Regards Chuck On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:14 PM, steve simpson via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:01 PM, > ​ > John Baughma wrote: > > > I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded > for > > free from Microsoft.

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech
Like so many dead apps, the website is gone, too. It’s not a big deal, as we have data exported. One thing I was able to do, which also gives me that dev’s schema to compare to similar apps. It wasn’t a bad app for nature watching. Just not a significant Mac market. The question is if I try to

​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread steve simpson via 4D_Tech
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:01 PM, ​ John Baughma wrote: > I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded for > free from Microsoft. They regularly update it. Clipboards are shared and > you can designate one or more folders on your Mac as network drives which >

RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Lo via 4D_Tech
Hi Kirk Lots of options. And lots of cost options, of course! I support customers in far flung places (From the UK) and have done so for some time. Half way around the world, and often with very limited bandwidth. Various products over the years, but TeamViewer for the last many. Yes, it

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech
As long as you have source for the app, you can upgrade. If you do not have source it is a little more problematic but can be done. You can contact me off list if you wish cjmillerinformed-solutions.com Regards Chuck On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:41 AM, Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech <

RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech
Kirk, Connectwise (ScreenConnect) is the best replacement for LogMeIn. Cheaper, more features. But if you share your account, only 1 user can use it at a time. LogMeIn allowed me to share subsets of computer access without paying more. David Ringsmuth From: Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech Sent:

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
> My goal was to see if an older nature app (Wingz) in 4D might be > salvageable. At least the data. Not a great many options on the Mac, > especially if net access not a given. > The lack of forum and list activity concerns me. I last used 4D 2004. from my understanding and experience - moving

Web Service Properties?

2018-07-16 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech
Looking for some input/advice. I have a customer who wants us to embed login credentials as part of our web service call back to them. We have already dealt with this in the past, building a special "header" to embed this information into. I mentioned this and they responded with:

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech
I attempted to join the other listservs on the 4D site. Assume they are dead. It is difficult to locate current reviews, media, etc. My goal was to see if an older nature app (Wingz) in 4D might be salvageable. At least the data. Not a great many options on the Mac, especially if net access not a

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech
I’m trying to convince myself to return to 4D vs FileMaker or coding in Swift. Xojo is a no, after adding in the plug-ins I’d be likely to use. Curiously, Panorama is promising. Just hobby things for myself. But I actually liked 4D and its power. Plus I could share interpreted databases with my

Re: How to protect JS Source Code?

2018-07-16 Thread Christopher Wyatt PhD via 4D_Tech
Obfuscation is the only reliable option with JavaScript. There are tools that “encrypt” the text but they have significant overhead. By definition, JS is text, interpreted. There are JavaScript compilers that sit on JVM. Mixed reviews for all. - CSW On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:39 AM Robert

RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
I really hate auto-correct. I swear I correct it more then it corrects me... Bug = Nug On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:39:53 -0400, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech wrote: > do not know that address was copied from the info link in the 4D bug > signature. > > On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:16:06 +, Epperlein, Lutz

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread John Baughman via 4D_Tech
I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded for free from Microsoft. They regularly update it. Clipboards are shared and you can designate one or more folders on your Mac as network drives which automatically mount when you log in. With RMD you are logging in as

RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
do not know that address was copied from the info link in the 4D bug signature. On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:16:06 +, Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech wrote: > I think this is the right one: 4d_tech-j...@lists.4d.com, isn't it? > > Regards > Lutz > > >> -Original Message- >> From:

RE: Whoʼs the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech
I think this is the right one: 4d_tech-j...@lists.4d.com, isn't it? Regards Lutz > -Original Message- > From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip Scheide > via > 4D_Tech > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 3:58 PM > To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
there is a list mom (see below standard added signature for the information on where to subscribe) the new user(s) must send a request to loin the list to: 4d_pub-j...@lists.4d.com On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:34:10 -0500, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech wrote: > I tried to turn on a few young developers

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread David Conley via 4D_Tech
Kirk, We switched from LogmeIn to Splashtop years ago. We use it from Mac to Windows all the time and it works great. Can move files to/from as well. No complaints here. David Conley > On Jul 15, 2018, at 8:03 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Good

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Thanks Alan and Miyako. Interesting approaches and tools I hadn't considered. To be honest probably not a direction I'm going as my skills in those areas are adequate at best and I'm afraid of horking something up by mistake and then having to go down to the datacenter to fix it. On Mon, Jul 16,

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Hey Doug, RAdmin looks pretty good. Certainly priced right for situations where one has a smallish number of machines to manage. Good information on Simplehelp too. Thanks! On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 1:30 AM Douglas Cryer via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Hi there, > > I thought I would

Re: subtables issue

2018-07-16 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech
Thanks to all. My issue is visual. I will check to see where the data is. I have done this many times before but have never seen the subtable structure remain Regards Chuck On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:57 AM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > unless you were

RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech
Steve, I also use Outlook and typically see all my posts. However the times when I have not is because I did not send them as "text" but instead as "html". Outlook by default won't send it as "text" so you really should change it to that before sending. Just a thought... Steve

RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech
Below you can find a link to the list options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech There you are able to adjust e.g. the setting: > Receive your own posts to the list? > Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If > you don't want to receive this copy, set

Re: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Julio Carneiro via 4D_Tech
Yes Steve, that is a feature of most mail clients & lists, your own posts are not sent back to you, which makes sense. Your posts are on your “sent” list and do not appear on the incoming flow. You do not get a confirmation back, not on 4D list and almost any list I participate on. But you do

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Douglas Cryer via 4D_Tech
Hi there, I thought I would chime in as I may have something useful to contribute for once __ My support team manage over 30 hosted Windows servers mostly at our data centre but some at client sites. For server remote control we almost exclusively use RAdmin. Unfortunately there is no Mac

RE: Who’s the Gestapo?

2018-07-16 Thread Steve Makohin via 4D_Tech
I post to this list from Outlook. I have no idea why, by my original post doesn't *seem* to appear in the list. In other words, I don't get an email from the list showing my original post. Curious. I can't explain it. (Not a problem for me) This *might* give someone the impression that they're

Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

2018-07-16 Thread Alan Chan via 4D_Tech
We use RealVNC on all servers but use TeamViewer for client machines. We used to use LogMeIn for client machines but our support guys prefer Teamviewer and I didn't ask why. Alan Chan ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ:

Re: Execute on Server Method Attribute

2018-07-16 Thread Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech
> Le 15 juil. 2018 à 04:47, Ben Kershaw via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a > écrit : > > Is one of those arrays a pointer array? I’m guessing so, because that doesn’t > work and results in that error message. A pointer to other array types works > fine, but not a pointer array. Sorry. > >