Re: Comparing two structures...

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Many thanks to: Miyako, Tom, Wane, Dani & Randy!

I do need to see the methods….  The V17r3 method is the most comprehensive, so 
my plan is to adopt that approach.

Thanks for your thoughtful responses,

Robert

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Randy Jaynes  > wrote:
> 
> I would open copies of the 2 structures in v17R3 and use the export function 
> from that so you get all the form objects and everything.
> 
> Then a diff tool (I use DeltaWalker) can compare everything for you.

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Re: SET PRINT PREVIEW does not work

[Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech]

There was a discussion of this issue back in January. Here’s a link to the 
thread:

 
http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.com/XPS-Viewer-on-Windows-10-Removed-in-new-OS-installs-td5762009.html

The most useful post may be from Miyako:
 https://github.com/miyako/4d-tips-3rd-party-xps-viewer 


HTH,

Tom Benedict

> On Mar 14, 2019, at 13:44, Carl Aage Wangel via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> A clean install of newest Windows 10 dos not include XPS Viewer. This means
> that SET PRINT PREVIEW does not work. It is possible to download XPS Viewer,
> but I expect Microsoft is (or have) developed an alternative. Is there a
> smart solution? 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Carl Aage Wangel 

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SET PRINT PREVIEW does not work

[Carl Aage Wangel via 4D_Tech]

A clean install of newest Windows 10 dos not include XPS Viewer. This means
that SET PRINT PREVIEW does not work. It is possible to download XPS Viewer,
but I expect Microsoft is (or have) developed an alternative. Is there a
smart solution? 

Regards

Carl Aage Wangel 

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Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5

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Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5

[Developer Myraid via 4D_Tech]

Some people use the word "Preview” to describe software that not be used in 
production. some use Beta , 
4D uses R# to describe non production software

I personally use beta and will have multiple beta releases.

The R# nomenclature is a fine strategy, its then easy to see the non-production 
development progression

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> 1. Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5 (Bernd Fröhlich)
> 2. Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5 (Milan Adamov)
> 3. Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5 (Jeffrey Kain)
> 4. Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5 (GI -AJAR)
> 5. Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5 (Jeffrey Kain)
> 6. Re: Printing forms modified with Duplicate Object (Alan Tilson)
> 7. Re: Moving a served v15.4 Windows DB to Mac v15.4 standalone
>   (Perkins, Bradley D)
> 8. Re: Printing forms modified with Duplicate Object (Alan Tilson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:14:47 +0100
> From: Bernd Fröhlich 
> To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> Subject: Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> Message-ID: <201903131114470...@bremac.de>
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> Milan Adamov:
> 
>> But there not announced as v16 features, that is simply not true, no one 
>> ever said that. On the contrary, it is explicitly said and written many 
>> times that those features are upcoming features in next major version.
> 
> So it IS a V17 beta after all...
> 
> Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, but 
> for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing.
> 
> Gruß aus Bremen,
> Bernd Fröhlich
> 
> 
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:21:21 +0100
> From: Milan Adamov 
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Subject: Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> Message-ID: <19d70d6b-58f6-41a9-a1b8-fdb031843...@mac.com>
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Milan Adamov:
>> 
>>> But there not announced as v16 features, that is simply not true, no one 
>>> ever said that. On the contrary, it is explicitly said and written many 
>>> times that those features are upcoming features in next major version.
>> 
>> So it IS a V17 beta after all...
>> 
>> Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, 
>> but for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing.
>> 
>> 
> 
> No it isn’t. If it is beta that would mean you would have all of planned 
> features for v17 implemented and still in testing within 4D, in R version 
> there is beta phase of R version which is done and the subset of new fetures 
> is fully tested by QA and Partners before release. For example, current R 
> version is v17 R3, v17 R4 is in beta. Calling it v17 beta 3 would not solve 
> the problem for those that are confused, on the contrary, it would add more 
> confusion to it.
> 
> It seems that you don’t have a problem with nomenclature, but the all R 
> version approach of doing things incrementally.
> 
> 
> Milan
> 
> P.S. I am not with for 4D for more than a year now.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 08:16:01 -0400
> From: Jeffrey Kain 
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Subject: Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> It's really not that hard, nor that unusual.
> 
> Is Windows Server 2008R2 a beta of Windows Server 2012? Nope. It's an 
> incremental release with new features.
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe all the folks at 4D understand how those R version numbering works, 
>> but for the rest of the world it is obviously quite confusing.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 14:02:27 +0100
> From: GI -AJAR 
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Subject: Re: 4D V16 R6 Vs 4D V16.5
> Message-ID: <17e9fb22-0e95-4915-be79-be395ae08...@ajar.ch>
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> For me too it is not confusing. Actually to call it V17 beta is not only more 
> confusing but it is wrong. 
> 
> Actually you can see v17 as a 16 R7 if you like.
> 
> R release make it easier to go through the new features 4D implement by 
> having them little 

Re: Delay Worker Process

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi Gabriel,

Part of what gets logged isn’t know at the time I know something needs to be 
logged. The code is easiest if I can say, “Hey, please log this situation” and 
have the actual logging happen a few seconds later. As I said, this is a quick 
a dirty injection of some logging code to track down a bug. Not the normal 
thing.

However, I changed my method of doing this yesterday so I’m not using workers 
anymore. Just a background process and some interprocess arrays. Not the cool 
new way, but it does work.

Thanks.

--
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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 1:03 AM, GI -AJAR  wrote:
> 
> Why do you need to run the check after few seconds?  We use this same kind of 
> worker to write logs in files. As you said, the worker assure the file not to 
> be opened. So in this contexte you know your file is accessible. You can 
> still have an error handler to handle the case where there is an unexpected 
> issue. We have a log table for those rare cases. 
> 
> I didn't try but a delay process should work in a worker but I would say it 
> is not optimal as it will make the stack of the messages to wait seconds 
> before to be processed. A worker should be fast so the next messages can be 
> process quickly. But it depend on the number of log request you send to the 
> worker. 
> 

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Re: Intel Optane P4800x Drives with 4D Server and Thermal Throttling

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

according to a friend who is more up to date on this then me.
The optane memory just 'goes', and runs at the same speed - regardless.

here is a review on Tom's hardware:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-optane-ssd-900p-3d-xpoint,5292.html

On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:45:39 +, Justin Will via 4D_Tech wrote:
> Anyone using these Intel 3D XPoint drives on their production 
> servers?  I'm wondering if anyone is seeing thermal throttling with 
> them like I see with my NVME SSD drives on sustained high throughput 
> times.
> 
> Thanks
> Justin Will
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Re: Error code 183(W132)

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

John,
you may have already seen this but
From the "houses" mouth:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/system-error-183-cannot-create-file-when-that-file/e3970f63-d153-455a-90ad-f0929a70ec12

if the above doesn't work...
based on the directory, it seems that either you, or 4D is trying to 
create a temporary file that already exists.
Have you checked your code to insure that any file(s) you try to create 
do not exist before issuing some thing lie CREATE DOCUMENT, or DOCUMENT 
TO BLOB??

Chip



On Thu, 14 Mar 2019 05:32:01 -1000, JOHN BAUGHMAN wrote:
> Sorry, forgot…
> 
> Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Service Pac 1
> V16R6 64bit
> 
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 4:27 AM, Chip Scheide 
>> <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote:
>> 
>> platform and version?
>> 
>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 18:24:57 -1000, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech wrote:
>>> One of my deployed 4D server has suddenly started throwing this error 
>>> (see below). When the error is being displayed 4D server is not 
>>> visible. When the ok button is clicked 4D server becomes visible.
>>> 
>>> A quick google search finds some discussion about this error 
>>> independent of 4D and one provides a link to a utility call (Error 
>>> 183) repair utility.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone shed some light on this error and perhaps why it is being 
>>> thrown by this particular 4D server.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> ―――
>>> Error code 183(W132)
>>> Cannot create a file when that file already exists
>>> 
>>> Component: ‘W132'
>>> Task 8336
>>> 
>>> Error code: 6523(xbox
>>> Cannot create folder
>>> C:\User\Administrator\AppData\Local\Temp\1\4D Server\.
>>> Toolbox
>>> Task 8336
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Kailua, Hawaii
>>> (808) 262-0328
>>> john...@hawaii.rr.com
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Intel Optane P4800x Drives with 4D Server and Thermal Throttling

[Justin Will via 4D_Tech]

Anyone using these Intel 3D XPoint drives on their production servers?  I'm 
wondering if anyone is seeing thermal throttling with them like I see with my 
NVME SSD drives on sustained high throughput times.

Thanks
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Re: Error code 183(W132)

[JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech]

Sorry, forgot…

Windows Server 2008 R2 Enterprise Service Pac 1
V16R6 64bit


> On Mar 14, 2019, at 4:27 AM, Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org> wrote:
> 
> platform and version?
> 
> On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 18:24:57 -1000, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech wrote:
>> One of my deployed 4D server has suddenly started throwing this error 
>> (see below). When the error is being displayed 4D server is not 
>> visible. When the ok button is clicked 4D server becomes visible.
>> 
>> A quick google search finds some discussion about this error 
>> independent of 4D and one provides a link to a utility call (Error 
>> 183) repair utility.
>> 
>> Can anyone shed some light on this error and perhaps why it is being 
>> thrown by this particular 4D server.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> ———
>> Error code 183(W132)
>> Cannot create a file when that file already exists
>> 
>> Component: ‘W132'
>> Task 8336
>> 
>> Error code: 6523(xbox
>> Cannot create folder
>> C:\User\Administrator\AppData\Local\Temp\1\4D Server\.
>> Toolbox
>> Task 8336
>> ---
>> 
>> 
>> John Baughman
>> Kailua, Hawaii
>> (808) 262-0328
>> john...@hawaii.rr.com
>> 
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Re: Printing forms modified with Duplicate Object

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

Actually adding OBJECT GET COORDINATES can make it a relative coordinate
situation, an offset from the original position, easy!
Alan

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:55 AM Alan Tilson  wrote:

> This process works and is not as clunky as I'd imagined. Would be great if
> there was an offset option in the print object command but I can now print
> what I want to print!
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:51 PM Alan Tilson  wrote:
>
>> Miyako,
>> It looks like you just step through all the objects and offset and print
>> them, so I'm trying that...
>> Alan
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:16 PM Alan Tilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Miyako,
>>> Ok, I'm back to this project.
>>> Thanks for the info and I'm working with the Print Object command,
>>> trying to anyway.
>>> But it doesn't print subforms...
>>> And you said I need 17R to convert an existing form to JSON...we're
>>> running 17.0.
>>> Any additional advice would be appreciated.
>>> I'll try check out your component db to see how you did the labels.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:41 PM Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
>>> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>>
 have you looked into the "Print object" command?

 you don't need to duplicate an object,
 you can print the same object as many times as you like,
 at any position (decimal, not integer positioning)

 with 17R you can define an object (JSON) representation of a form from
 scratch,
 or take an existing form, convert to JSON and add or subtract objects.

 > 2019/03/07 7:40、Alan Tilson のメール:
 > Any ideas would be appreciated!




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Re: Printing forms modified with Duplicate Object

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

This process works and is not as clunky as I'd imagined. Would be great if
there was an offset option in the print object command but I can now print
what I want to print!
Thanks,
Alan

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:51 PM Alan Tilson  wrote:

> Miyako,
> It looks like you just step through all the objects and offset and print
> them, so I'm trying that...
> Alan
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:16 PM Alan Tilson  wrote:
>
>> Hello Miyako,
>> Ok, I'm back to this project.
>> Thanks for the info and I'm working with the Print Object command, trying
>> to anyway.
>> But it doesn't print subforms...
>> And you said I need 17R to convert an existing form to JSON...we're
>> running 17.0.
>> Any additional advice would be appreciated.
>> I'll try check out your component db to see how you did the labels.
>> Thanks,
>> Alan
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:41 PM Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
>> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>
>>> have you looked into the "Print object" command?
>>>
>>> you don't need to duplicate an object,
>>> you can print the same object as many times as you like,
>>> at any position (decimal, not integer positioning)
>>>
>>> with 17R you can define an object (JSON) representation of a form from
>>> scratch,
>>> or take an existing form, convert to JSON and add or subtract objects.
>>>
>>> > 2019/03/07 7:40、Alan Tilson のメール:
>>> > Any ideas would be appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Error code 183(W132)

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

platform and version?

On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 18:24:57 -1000, JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech wrote:
> One of my deployed 4D server has suddenly started throwing this error 
> (see below). When the error is being displayed 4D server is not 
> visible. When the ok button is clicked 4D server becomes visible.
> 
> A quick google search finds some discussion about this error 
> independent of 4D and one provides a link to a utility call (Error 
> 183) repair utility.
> 
> Can anyone shed some light on this error and perhaps why it is being 
> thrown by this particular 4D server.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> 
> ―――
> Error code 183(W132)
> Cannot create a file when that file already exists
> 
> Component: ‘W132'
> Task 8336
> 
> Error code: 6523(xbox
> Cannot create folder
> C:\User\Administrator\AppData\Local\Temp\1\4D Server\.
> Toolbox
> Task 8336
> ---
> 
> 
> John Baughman
> Kailua, Hawaii
> (808) 262-0328
> john...@hawaii.rr.com
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Re: Delay Worker Process

[GI -AJAR via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Why do you need to run the check after few seconds?  We use this same kind of 
worker to write logs in files. As you said, the worker assure the file not to 
be opened. So in this contexte you know your file is accessible. You can still 
have an error handler to handle the case where there is an unexpected issue. We 
have a log table for those rare cases. 

I didn't try but a delay process should work in a worker but I would say it is 
not optimal as it will make the stack of the messages to wait seconds before to 
be processed. A worker should be fast so the next messages can be process 
quickly. But it depend on the number of log request you send to the worker. 

Gabriel Inzirillo. 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 13 mars 2019 à 22:15, Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I’m trying to do some quick and dirty logging to track down an issue at a 
> customer’s site. As part of that I need to log some information to a file, 
> always on the server. I figured the simplest would be to call a method each 
> time I need to log some information and pass the info to it. The method has 
> the Execute on Server property set so all logging happens on the server. I 
> don’t want anything tied up waiting for the logging to happen, so I have the 
> method call a worker process (on the server) and pass in the relevant 
> information to it. The worker is responsible to run some checks, ensure the 
> correct file exists, write the information to the file, and possibly send a 
> Slack message. Using a worker also ensures that a file is not being opened by 
> multiple processes at the same time.
> 
> So far all this works as hoped for and was simple to code. The problem is 
> that the worker process needs to run the checks a few seconds _after_ the 
> initial request to log information happened. Since the worker is just in a 
> cooperative process I figured I could add DELAY PROCESS. But it seems not to 
> work.
> 
> I could re-engineer the whole thing to use a background process in a loop on 
> the server and some IP arrays or a table, but was hoping to keep it simpler. 
> Does anyone know how to pause a worker process for a few seconds?
> 
> This is v17.1HF1.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --
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> Synergy Farm Solutions Inc.
> Aetna, AB Canada
> 
> 
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