Re: Hierarchical Listbox Row with leading Icon (like hierarchical list)

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

John:

"I know I can add a picture column and insert an image into each cell. But
I don’t think that’s what I want to do since that will throw off the
hierarchical sorting I think."
From this, it sounds like the issue is that you want to be able to trap for
the click on the header and sort on another value (I refer to that as a
"proxy sort"). Is that the heart of the matter - being able to do a proxy
sort?

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 5:55 PM John J Foster via 4D_Tech <
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> Hi All,
>
> I’m trying to duplicate the look and feel (in as much as it’s possible) of
> a hierarchical list but using a Hierarchical Listbox.
>
> I know we can add an icon to the column header. But I want to have a
> different icon displayed for each level of the hierarchy. In fact I’d like
> to potentially have an icon for each row of the listbox.
>
> I have looked in the docs, KB, and the NUG and don’t see anything. I know
> I can add a picture column and insert an image into each cell. But I don’t
> think that’s what I want to do since that will throw off the hierarchical
> sorting I think.
>
> Can it be done?
>
> Can anyone provide a simple example.
>
> Appreciate,
> John…
>
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Hierarchical Listbox Row with leading Icon (like hierarchical list)

[John J Foster via 4D_Tech]

Hi All,

I’m trying to duplicate the look and feel (in as much as it’s possible) of a 
hierarchical list but using a Hierarchical Listbox.

I know we can add an icon to the column header. But I want to have a different 
icon displayed for each level of the hierarchy. In fact I’d like to potentially 
have an icon for each row of the listbox.

I have looked in the docs, KB, and the NUG and don’t see anything. I know I can 
add a picture column and insert an image into each cell. But I don’t think 
that’s what I want to do since that will throw off the hierarchical sorting I 
think.

Can it be done?

Can anyone provide a simple example.

Appreciate,
John…


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Re: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Allan Udy via 4D_Tech]

Stephen J. Orth wrote on 9/04/19 12:11 AM:
We have worked with our users regarding all kinds of Windows settings, 
including power, network, sleep, etc. however this is the first time 
I’ve heard the recommendation to put the server at “High Performance”. 
Interesting…


Steve, that info is easy to missIf you check out the following 
documentation pdf on the 4D website:


4D v17 R3 System requirements – January 2019

You'll see that they've recently added new information to the 
Requirements docs, specifically:



Windows Energy Saving Settings

The default settings for Windows Server or Windows desktop computers 
are optimized for saving energy. While this is usually the best 
setting for desktop usage, “High performance” servers could produce up 
to twice the speed than “Balanced”.




See also this tech tip from December:

https://kb.4d.com/assetid=78169


Changing to 'High Performance' on our problematic server certainly 
solved one issue and had a significant impact on the stability of the 
server application.



Cheers,
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RE: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Allan Udy via 4D_Tech]

From: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>

not a merged server expert - at all - BUT
4D server does (or at least did in earlier versions) reject new client 
connections during a backup.

it is possible that 4D server is doing a backup, changing the setting/disabling 
connections during backup - then failing (in some manner) to correctly reset to 
allow connections?


Pretty sure this is NOT the case -- this particular database backs up in 
the middle of the night, but most of the 'New Connection' disconnections 
occur during the day after users have already logged in earlier in the day.



Cheers,
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Re: ORDA Limiting number of records returned.

[Christian Sakowski via 4D_Tech]

Currently the implementation returns not only a selection, it returns an 
unknown „page“ of records. So there comes maybe hundreds or more records during 
the first query.
The second point is, that when there are object fields in the dataClass, the 
query may be very slow. We discovered a 10-13 seconds delay/latency, when we 
have 1.000 records with 4D Write Pro documents in it.
However, 4D is working on this optimisations. Hopefully.

A small advice:
because 4D sends each dot-statement to the server and back:

ds.Companies.query("…").orderBy(„Name asc")

you can reduce it to just one statement:

ds.Companies.query("… order by Name")

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> Am 08.04.2019 um 23:15 schrieb Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> ORDA queries only return a reference to the selection and not the entire data 
> set,
> so it's not as if the payload should be a problem (especially at 35K which is 
> small)
> 
> but you could slice it to limit the size
> 
> https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17R4/4D/17-R4/entitySelectionslice.305-4055325.en.html
> 
>> 2019/04/09 6:10、Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
>> 
>> Is there a way to limit the number of records returned in a 
>> ds..query result. I know about the set query limit in the system, 
>> but I am trying to do this new trick with order and want to be able to limit 
>> the results to only 1000 records max out of a table with over 35,000 rows. 
>> Any suggestions would be useful.
> 
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Re: ORDA Limiting number of records returned.

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

ORDA queries only return a reference to the selection and not the entire data 
set,
so it's not as if the payload should be a problem (especially at 35K which is 
small)

but you could slice it to limit the size

https://doc.4d.com/4Dv17R4/4D/17-R4/entitySelectionslice.305-4055325.en.html

> 2019/04/09 6:10、Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
>
> Is there a way to limit the number of records returned in a 
> ds..query result. I know about the set query limit in the system, 
> but I am trying to do this new trick with order and want to be able to limit 
> the results to only 1000 records max out of a table with over 35,000 rows. 
> Any suggestions would be useful.





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ORDA Limiting number of records returned.

[Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech]

Is there a way to limit the number of records returned in a 
ds..query result. I know about the set query limit in the system, 
but I am trying to do this new trick with order and want to be able to limit 
the results to only 1000 records max out of a table with over 35,000 rows. Any 
suggestions would be useful.
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RE: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Keith White via 4D_Tech]

Hi there


We first saw many of these symptoms with v16R6 using the new network layer.  
Before that the only previous 4D version we'd used for a long time was v13.6 
which didn't have the new network layer.


Anyway, using v16R6 with the new network layer, we did get mass disconnections 
occurring and also seeing the Admin window changing the Accept/Reject by 
itself.  So after a mass disconnection, new connections couldn't be made.  At 
least that's what we initially thought.  It turned out that if you waited long 
enough (several minutes), connections would again be allowed.  The network 
layer somehow "resetting" itself, maybe.  Don't know.


We also noticed that at the point of these mass disconnections there would 
usually be an entry in the Windows Application event log.  The log entry had 
one single "japanese" looking character.


In the end, 4D figured out a possible cause through some diagnostic logs they 
got from another customer.  The reference for the issue was ACI0098997.  It was 
fixed in v17 HF4 and obviously also fixed in v17.1.  We had already begun our 
work to begin moving our client base from v16R6 onto v17, so we expedited this 
transition more quickly to take advantage of this and other fixes (and 
improvements) available in v17.


Whilst the issue was fixed by 4D, the actual problem is caused by 4D Server 
receiving an incomplete set of packets from one or more 4D Remotes.  This could 
be due to any number of potential network or client machine issues.  In 
summary, the 4D main thread was being blocked waiting for these incomplete 
packets to arrive and would eventually time out and resume its process 
(meanwhile all connected clients had already disconnected).  As I understand 
it, the change made by 4D was to build in a very short delay waiting on 
incomplete incoming packet sets.


I don't know whether ACI0098997 got implemented in v16.x as we never used the 
v16.x strand.


Since implementing v17.1, these new network layer disconnection issues have 
stopped, AFAIK.


Best regards


Keith White
Synergist Express Ltd, UK.
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Re: Auto Updating 4D Not Working

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi John,

Thanks for the suggestion. I actually use a temporary folder to place the “new” 
version before calling SET UPDATE FOLDER. But I use the same one for all my 
applications and it works for all the rest, so I doubt security issues on the 
folder is the issue.

Thanks anyway.

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> On Apr 8, 2019, at 9:51 AM, John DeSoi via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> It is working for me with 17.1. The 4D application is in the Applications 
> folder and the update folder is a mounted disk image in the Downloads folder. 
> If you are using other types of paths, maybe try something like that? Perhaps 
> it could be a security restriction added by a recent macOS version. 

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RE: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Tim,

Thanks...appears these are two different issues, best I can tell.


Steve

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Subject: Re: Error connecting to 4D Server

On Apr 8, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Stephen J. Orth  
wrote:

> What exactly are you seeing on the Clients?  Is this when someone is trying 
> to connect and they cannot?
> 
> If so, that is not what we are seeing.  What we get are the multiple errors 
> that started this thread, where already connected clients simply can no 
> longer talk to the server.  Either you get the -10002/3/4 error message, or 
> the one that is happening mostly is the "non-blocking" error.

Hi Steve,

I started 4D Client to connect to 4D Server, it showed the trying to connect 
progress window. After waiting a few seconds I realized it was not connecting 
to 4D Server as fast as it usually does. So I RDP to the 4D Server machine to 
check out the server and saw the “Accept New Connections” button. 

At the time nobody was connected to 4D Server. I was the first person this 
morning to try and connect. 

I have no idea when something happened to 4D Server. This particular server 
does not always have 4D Client connects. It does mostly web server work and 
only occasionally do people connect with 4D Client. 

Tim

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Re: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On Apr 8, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Stephen J. Orth  
wrote:

> What exactly are you seeing on the Clients?  Is this when someone is trying 
> to connect and they cannot?
> 
> If so, that is not what we are seeing.  What we get are the multiple errors 
> that started this thread, where already connected clients simply can no 
> longer talk to the server.  Either you get the -10002/3/4 error message, or 
> the one that is happening mostly is the "non-blocking" error.

Hi Steve,

I started 4D Client to connect to 4D Server, it showed the trying to connect 
progress window. After waiting a few seconds I realized it was not connecting 
to 4D Server as fast as it usually does. So I RDP to the 4D Server machine to 
check out the server and saw the “Accept New Connections” button. 

At the time nobody was connected to 4D Server. I was the first person this 
morning to try and connect. 

I have no idea when something happened to 4D Server. This particular server 
does not always have 4D Client connects. It does mostly web server work and 
only occasionally do people connect with 4D Client. 

Tim

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RE: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Tim,

What exactly are you seeing on the Clients?  Is this when someone is trying to 
connect and they cannot?

If so, that is not what we are seeing.  What we get are the multiple errors 
that started this thread, where already connected clients simply can no longer 
talk to the server.  Either you get the -10002/3/4 error message, or the one 
that is happening mostly is the "non-blocking" error.


Steve

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Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 11:00 AM
To: 4d_tech@lists.4d.com
Cc: Tim Nevels 
Subject: RE: Error connecting to 4D Server

On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Allan Udy wrote:
I ran into this problem again this morning. And this time it occurred on 
another server at a different client site. And Allan is right, when you click 
the “Accept New Connections” button 4D Server hangs and you get the Windows 
dialog box that 4D Server has stopped responding and you have to kill 4D 
Server. 

I think Allan is right. Something inside 4D Server is flipping the switch to 
stop accepting new connections and it is updating the 4D Server Administration 
window UI to show that. But it’s not doing the stop accepting connection part 
properly. So when you click the button to make it start accepting connections 
again it expects things to be in a certain state and it is not, so 4D Server 
hangs and crashes.

Tim

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RE: Error connecting to 4D Server

[Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech]

On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Chip Scheide wrote:

> not a merged server expert - at all - BUT
> 4D server does (or at least did in earlier versions) reject new client 
> connections during a backup.
> 
> it is possible that 4D server is doing a backup, changing the 
> setting/disabling connections during backup - then failing (in some manner) 
> to correctly reset to allow connections?
> 
> again - maybe - if this is the issue
> either someone is trying to connect, an external process (an other server?) 
> is trying to connect, or a deamon is trying to run during the backup and this 
> action is "confusing" 4D server and it is failing to reset to allow 
> connections.

If a backup is running you can still connect to 4D Server. You just get a 
message that a maintenance operation is occurring. It is not a total rejection 
of connections. It is accepting a connection, then sending back a message of 
the backup running. 

This is different from what we are seeing. You never get connected to 4D 
Server. 4D Client tries for a while and then gives you a runtime error.

So I don’t think this is connected to or related to the backup process. 

Tim

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Re: Auto Updating 4D Not Working

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

Hi Cannon,

It is working for me with 17.1. The 4D application is in the Applications 
folder and the update folder is a mounted disk image in the Downloads folder. 
If you are using other types of paths, maybe try something like that? Perhaps 
it could be a security restriction added by a recent macOS version. 

John DeSoi, Ph.D.


> On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:01 AM, Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 4D v17.1HF1, macOS only. (It works fine on Windows). I’m using essentially 
> the same code as in several other applications, also on v17.1HF1, but this is 
> the only application that doesn’t work. Also, it was working in previous 
> versions of 4D, but doesn’t now. With no code changes.

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[solved] Password issue - no password requested

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Thanks

did not think of that...
I did save the password

I do not have my code in place to stop that...

Chip

On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 10:57:37 -0400, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech wrote:
> You must have clicked save password at some point. Code to remove 
> this has been posted many times. If you can’t find it let me know off 
> line and I will forward one version to you
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 

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>> On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech 
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>> 
>> I have a new database (v13) I am working with.
>> There is a designer password, admin password, and a couple of users 
>> defined (all with passwords)
>> 
>> The database settings are set to:
>> - design access : designer & admin
>> - filtering is off for designer and admin
>> - default user : None
>> - display user in list password dialog box is OFF
>> - users can change password is off
>> - enable user setting in external file is off
>> 
>> when I start the database, it does NOT ask for a password.
>> 
>> Any ideas??
>> 
>> TIA
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Re: Password issue - no password requested

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

You must have clicked save password at some point. Code to remove this has been 
posted many times. If you can’t find it let me know off line and I will forward 
one version to you



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> On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have a new database (v13) I am working with.
> There is a designer password, admin password, and a couple of users 
> defined (all with passwords)
> 
> The database settings are set to:
> - design access : designer & admin
> - filtering is off for designer and admin
> - default user : None
> - display user in list password dialog box is OFF
> - users can change password is off
> - enable user setting in external file is off
> 
> when I start the database, it does NOT ask for a password.
> 
> Any ideas??
> 
> TIA
> Chip
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Re: PDF viewing alternative in v17/64 bit

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Are you sure it's a 64-bit client and that the embedded web area setting is 
marked?  The Google viewer only works in 64-bit 4D.

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> Subject: RE: PDF viewing alternative in v17/64 bit
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Suddenly I have a problem with viewing PDF's in the webarea, only on Windows 
> When using WA OPEN URL to show a PDF in an area, it just launches the 
> document, instead of showing it in the area Does anybody why this is, and how 
> to prevent this?
> 
> A second question: Is there an easy way to keep certain PDF viewing settings, 
> the zoom size for example?

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Password issue - no password requested

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I have a new database (v13) I am working with.
There is a designer password, admin password, and a couple of users 
defined (all with passwords)

The database settings are set to:
- design access : designer & admin
- filtering is off for designer and admin
- default user : None
- display user in list password dialog box is OFF
- users can change password is off
- enable user setting in external file is off

when I start the database, it does NOT ask for a password.

Any ideas??

TIA
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RE: PDF viewing alternative in v17/64 bit

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Piotr,

Just a thought...

Does your PDF application have a preference that tells it how to open?  
Normally, these applications have a setting where you indicate it can open 
inside a browser window.

When this happens to us, this is the first place we typically look.

Best,


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From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Piotr Chabot 
Stadhouders via 4D_Tech
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 6:16 AM
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Piotr Chabot Stadhouders 
Subject: RE: PDF viewing alternative in v17/64 bit

Hi,

Suddenly I have a problem with viewing PDF's in the webarea, only on Windows 
When using WA OPEN URL to show a PDF in an area, it just launches the document, 
instead of showing it in the area Does anybody why this is, and how to prevent 
this?

A second question: Is there an easy way to keep certain PDF viewing settings, 
the zoom size for example?



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From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@xxx.xxx> On 
Behalf Of Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:02 AM
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_t...@xxx.xxx>
Cc: Jeffrey Kain
Subject: PDF viewing alternative in v17/64 bit

Just ran into a nice surprise in 4D v17 on 64-bit using the embedded "Blink" 
web area... it has a very nice cross-platform PDF viewer built in. Just pass 
the path of a PDF into WA Open URL and it will display exactly the same on both 
Mac and Windows -- no plug-ins or extra configuration required.
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RE: Benchmark Speed Test Method

[Epperlein, Lutz (agendo) via 4D_Tech]

> Also, has anyone moved up to v17 web server yet application? (Not "web
> area", but rather the full "web server application") Can you tell how it
> compares to v15 please? Any issues one should be aware of?

We are on V17, and didn't noticed any difference. But we didn't do a real 
benchmark.

Regards
Lutz

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Re: Formatter that only shows decimals

[Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech]

> On 8 Apr 2019, at 00:19, Mark Katz via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe (likely) I’m missing something but couldn’t you display the actual 
> value x 100 instead of the actual value?

Hi Mark

Yes, I could do that. I was just wondering if the formatter could do it because 
it would ideally be desire-able to not reprocess the original data in this 
case. (i.e. I just want to display the number of pence/cents that’s there not 
calculate them).

Peter

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