Re: Necessary To End Task After Quitting Server

[Saeed via 4D_Tech]

I had this problem in V16 with the "Encrypt Client Server Communications"
turned ON. This was leaving ghost connections on the server as well as
hanging it up. A bug related to the ghost connections was fixed in V17.4 and
the server hang-up-problem also disappeared.



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Re: Necessary To End Task After Quitting Server

[Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech]

Chuck (and others),

Are you referring to the “Tasks Pending” Alert that appears at server shutdown 
or is it something else? If it’s the "Tasks Pending” Alert, here’s a post from 
Doug Cottrill from a 2014 which describes what to do about it. 
http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.com/Tasks-pending-td5726940.html 


Tom Benedict

> On Feb 26, 2020, at 13:35, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I am not sure this is it.  we have had this type of error since v15. It is 
> never a process we have started and it does not appear anywhere on 4D’s list 
> of processes. When we see this message (Waiting for task to complete) we can 
> wait forever and 4D will NEVER quit
> 
> Regards
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Allan Udy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> 
>> 
>> Timothy Penner wrote on 27/02/20 6:34 AM:
>>> the very last line of code in the On Server Shutdown message is a logging 
>>> entry, which DOES get executed so we no it's not getting hung up on code in 
>>> there. Perhaps the application is releasing the memory?
>>> 
>>> Take a look at the Task Manager and watch the memory for the 4D Server.exe 
>>> process after you choose QUIT. Essentially the memory value of the process 
>>> decreases until it reaches 0 and then the application finally quits.
>> 
>> Many thanks for your explanation -- it makes some sense, we'll investigate.  
>> We're not far away from moving to v18  :-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Allan Udy
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RE: Necessary To End Task After Quitting Server

[Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech]

Hi Chuck,

I believe you are referring to the "Tasks Pending" dialog: let me include a 
link to the forums with screenshots to provide additional context in case this 
is what you are referring to:
https://forums.4d.com/Post/EN/23029409/1/23029410#23029410

I didn’t get the impression that Allan was seeing this dialog... but maybe they 
just didn't notice the error message?

-Tim
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The chained list of deleted records is circular?

[Allan Udy via 4D_Tech]

Hi All,

How do we fix this sort of issue that's been reported in a Verify Log File:

Problem on the Audit_Log data table 
: The chained list of deleted records is circular



Would also love to know how to deal with this:

Problem on B-tree Index 12 
on Audit_Log.LogDate index : Index is flagged to be rebuilt


What does it actually mean as far as the validity of the datafile is 
concerned?



A standard datafile Repair does not appear to be dealing with these 
issues



Cheers,
Allan Udy

Golden Micro Solutions Ltd, Blenheim, New Zealand
http://www.golden.co.nz

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Re: Necessary To End Task After Quitting Server

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

I am not sure this is it.  we have had this type of error since v15. It is 
never a process we have started and it does not appear anywhere on 4D’s list of 
processes. When we see this message (Waiting for task to complete) we can wait 
forever and 4D will NEVER quit

Regards


Chuck

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> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Allan Udy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> 
> Timothy Penner wrote on 27/02/20 6:34 AM:
>> the very last line of code in the On Server Shutdown message is a logging 
>> entry, which DOES get executed so we no it's not getting hung up on code in 
>> there. Perhaps the application is releasing the memory?
>> 
>> Take a look at the Task Manager and watch the memory for the 4D Server.exe 
>> process after you choose QUIT. Essentially the memory value of the process 
>> decreases until it reaches 0 and then the application finally quits.
> 
> Many thanks for your explanation -- it makes some sense, we'll investigate.  
> We're not far away from moving to v18  :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Allan Udy

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Re: Necessary To End Task After Quitting Server

[Allan Udy via 4D_Tech]

Hi Tim,


Timothy Penner wrote on 27/02/20 6:34 AM:

the very last line of code in the On Server Shutdown message is a logging 
entry, which DOES get executed so we no it's not getting hung up on code in 
there. Perhaps the application is releasing the memory?

Take a look at the Task Manager and watch the memory for the 4D Server.exe 
process after you choose QUIT. Essentially the memory value of the process 
decreases until it reaches 0 and then the application finally quits.


Many thanks for your explanation -- it makes some sense, we'll 
investigate.  We're not far away from moving to v18  :-)


Cheers,
Allan Udy

Golden Micro Solutions Ltd, Blenheim, New Zealand
http://www.golden.co.nz

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RE: Necessary To End Task After Quitting Server

[Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech]

Hi Allan,

> the very last line of code in the On Server Shutdown message is a logging 
> entry, which DOES get executed so we no it's not getting hung up on code in 
> there.

Perhaps the application is releasing the memory? 

Take a look at the Task Manager and watch the memory for the 4D Server.exe 
process after you choose QUIT. Essentially the memory value of the process 
decreases until it reaches 0 and then the application finally quits. The 
release of memory was sometimes slower in large application with very large 
cache sizes running with some of the v17.x-v17R releases.

Good news, with optimizations in v18 this process of quitting seems to be about 
10x times faster - 

For example:
- With a cache having 28GB of data
- With 4D 17 R5 Time to quit : 3m 20s
- With 4D v18 and the new optimization. Time to quit :  16 seconds.

If this is what you are seeing I would suggest either waiting until the process 
completes on its own or upgrading to v18 to get the optimization, bottom line 
is to avoid using the "End Task" feature if at all possible.

-Tim
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RE: 4D v18.0 LTS - Form Wizard Missing

[Tai Bui via 4D_Tech]

To add onto that. Project mode does have a "shortcut" way to add fields and 
field titles to the form:
https://kb.4d.com/assetid=78416

Best Regards,
-Tai B.

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From: 4D_Tech <4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com> On Behalf Of Tom Benedict via 
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To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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Subject: Re: 4D v18.0 LTS - Form Wizard Missing

If you’re using v18 in Project Mode, there is no Form Wizard. Details here:  
http://151.80.33.215/4Dv18/4D/18/Creating-a-form-using-the-Form-Wizard.300-4575673.en.html
 

 

Tom Benedict 

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 19:01, David Belote via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering if I have a corrupted 4D v18.0 macOS install.  The Form Wizard 
> that has existed since the earliest days of 4D is missing and I can’t build 
> table forms.
> 
> Specific version is 4D v18 build 18.246707.  I downloaded it on the first day 
> it was available to non-partners.
> 
> The Gear button at the bottom of the Forms page used to provide options for 
> using the Form Wizard.  Now all it lists is “New Form” which provides the 
> exact same functionality that the plus sign to the left of it has.  Both of 
> them just let a blank form be with no buttons or field chooser to pick from.
> 
> Is that what others see as well?  How do I fix this?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Dave Belote
> 

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Re: 4D v18.0 LTS - Form Wizard Missing

[Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech]

If you’re using v18 in Project Mode, there is no Form Wizard. Details here:  
http://151.80.33.215/4Dv18/4D/18/Creating-a-form-using-the-Form-Wizard.300-4575673.en.html
 

 

Tom Benedict 

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 19:01, David Belote via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering if I have a corrupted 4D v18.0 macOS install.  The Form Wizard 
> that has existed since the earliest days of 4D is missing and I can’t build 
> table forms.
> 
> Specific version is 4D v18 build 18.246707.  I downloaded it on the first day 
> it was available to non-partners.
> 
> The Gear button at the bottom of the Forms page used to provide options for 
> using the Form Wizard.  Now all it lists is “New Form” which provides the 
> exact same functionality that the plus sign to the left of it has.  Both of 
> them just let a blank form be with no buttons or field chooser to pick from.
> 
> Is that what others see as well?  How do I fix this?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Dave Belote
> 

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4D v18.0 LTS - Form Wizard Missing

[David Belote via 4D_Tech]

I’m wondering if I have a corrupted 4D v18.0 macOS install.  The Form Wizard 
that has existed since the earliest days of 4D is missing and I can’t build 
table forms.

 

Specific version is 4D v18 build 18.246707.  I downloaded it on the first day 
it was available to non-partners.

 

The Gear button at the bottom of the Forms page used to provide options for 
using the Form Wizard.  Now all it lists is “New Form” which provides the exact 
same functionality that the plus sign to the left of it has.  Both of them just 
let a blank form be with no buttons or field chooser to pick from.

 

Is that what others see as well?  How do I fix this?

 

Thank you,

 

Dave Belote

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Looking for a MSI installer for 4D v17.4

[Luc Devar via 4D_Tech]

A large client is asking me for a MSI installer for 4D v17.4. Is this something 
I need to build or this exists somewhere ?

Luc Devar
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