Re: Selection-Based Listbox Sizing/Printing...

2019-07-12 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Adam, normally each list box will have a different number of rows, but typically in the 1-3 range. This page (tight with many other objects) contains several note fields below these list boxes and where they can grow as needed. Optimally it would be best if objects grew as needed and spilled

Stylesheet Search?

2019-07-12 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Is there a way to search for a specific Stylesheet? I inherited a DB where many objects reference a blank stylesheet name. I guess I could create a stylesheet with a blank name but I’d prefer to find all of the objects that are referencing an non existent stylesheet. Thanks, Robert

Selection-Based Listbox Sizing/Printing...

2019-07-12 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
When printing a form with Print Record where you have two list boxes beside each other, how might you define the size of the listbox to accommodate all of the data in the selection? Thanks, Robert ** 4D Internet Users Group

Re: Listbox Subform Modern UI

2019-06-27 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Kirk, I’m using Windows v17.2. The unusual issues with the Subform have been fixed, thanks to Tim Nevels. The converted database had fields defined on the included form which did not leave enough space for the chosen font size. Converted databases can take slightly more room and if there

Re: Listbox Subform Modern UI

2019-06-27 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
What would cause a subform (not a listbox) to only show the first of several related records and when you click below that record, the first record disappears? ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive:

Listbox Subform Modern UI

2019-06-27 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Although, I’ve implemented this in various ways, I’d like to know the modern UI approach that you’ve found to be beneficial to your users and with an efficient programming effort. How do you handle included subforms (on a detailed form)? I’ve replaced an old included form with a new listbox

[OFF] The Death of Sebastian...

2019-04-24 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Sadly I returned home, from two back to back trips (National Association of Broadcasters & MotoGP), to find my beloved cat (Sebastian), the coolest cat that ever lived, died unexpectedly while I was at MOTOGP on Sunday... I’m so devastated that I did not see him for 8 days straight and that my

Re: Finding the proper source code...

2019-03-25 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
You know, that’s a very good point and it rings a bell. You guys are great—thanks! R > On Mar 25, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Olivier Flury via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > The problem with missing attachements may not be related to the new version > of the app but to: > >

Finding the proper source code...

2019-03-25 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’ve got a compiled Mac-based v13 application (yes, I know I need to update to v17!) that is almost all web-based (few 4D forms) and where it sends reports via email attachments to users. I have a need to make a few enhancements to this application. Just to make sure that, I’ve located the

Re: Can'r run as a service on Windows 2016

2019-03-25 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Pat, I’m with you…. Let me know when you find a solution. Thanks, Robert > On Mar 24, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Hi peeps, > I am still having no luck with this :) ** 4D

Re: Simulated Multiuser Testing

2019-03-19 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Tom, thanks for your input. I’ll let you know if I pursue this and come up with something interesting. R Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 15, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Tom Benedict wrote: > > We used it a lot to try to understand 4D Server “anomalies” but in the end we > never really came up with

Re: $D V17 as a service

2019-03-18 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’m having the same issue with Windows Server 2016 and Windows 10 Pro (local Dev OS) when using a built server. The steps I generally take are: -Launch the built server as Admin. -Say yes to any firewall questions from the OS. -Register as a service. -Start 4D

Simulated Multiuser Testing

2019-03-15 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’m trying to diagnose an issue with 4D client disconnecting from the server and it only seems to happen when there are 10 or more users connected. Have you ever simulated multiple users during your own testing? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone

Re: Comparing two structures...

2019-03-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Many thanks to: Miyako, Tom, Wane, Dani & Randy! I do need to see the methods…. The V17r3 method is the most comprehensive, so my plan is to adopt that approach. Thanks for your thoughtful responses, Robert > On Feb 27, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Randy Jaynes > wrote: >

Comparing two structures...

2019-02-26 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’ve inherited a v13-based 4D database and I have a need to determine the differences amongst two. So, what are my structure comparison options? Thanks, Robert ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive:

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2019-01-08 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Tim, Right, I understand the SSO as originally explained—that was very helpful. Yet, for testing purposes at my location (without the authentication server) or at the client site when you might need to login as a specific user, how might you switch to/from SSO or not? I suppose there is an

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2019-01-04 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I would urge you to take a look at the video, > > https://blog.4d.com/single-sign-on-sso/ > > it show the code on the client side and the server side that manages > authentication. > >> 2

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2019-01-04 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
. Once the SSO code is in effect will you lock yourself out if the authentication server is down or you are developing on a different network without AD services? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> w

Re: Understanding Unicode Characters

2018-12-21 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Arnaud, thanks for the clarification. Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:54 AM, Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > In the good old ascii, decimal 165 (hex 0xA5) was represented by a bullet, as > you cas see in the range 128..255: >

Understanding Unicode Characters

2018-12-19 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
In a galaxy far far away, we commonly used option-8 on the Mac to get a bullet glyph or symbol. At some point while converting databases from Mac to Windows this was changed to Char(165). Now, I see that Char(165), in a converted database, gives me the Yen sign. I’ve stumbled on the fact that

Re: 4D Write for v17

2018-12-15 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Mitch, 4D Write Pro is no longer a plug-in but is fully integrated into 4D itself. Regards, Robert Broussard Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2018, at 10:38 PM, Mitchell Shiller via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > In process of migrating from v16 32 bit to v17 64 bit

Re: Where do we inform 4D about program bugs?

2018-12-15 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Chris, I think it’s on the French forum... okay, here’s a link for you. There are different reporting methods if you are a partner or not. http://forums.4d.com/Bugs/EN/ I hope this helps, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 15, 2018, at 12:02 AM, Chris Belanger via 4D_Tech >

Re: Form Scaling & Optimal Fonts...

2018-12-07 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Tim, actually, I’ve nearly always used custom stylesheets…. I’ve never utilized the scale form feature until recently and only on one form as a test. Since I’ve never used this, I never knew the history or intent of the feature. I was just exploring how best to bring this legacy structure into

Re: Form Scaling & Optimal Fonts...

2018-12-07 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
“Giving it the eye ball…” this cracked me up! :) Thanks Tim for the detailed response. Using custom style sheets extensively was my most utilized approach. Robert > On Dec 7, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > You determine what looks good by

Re: Built Server—Best Practices...

2018-12-06 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Problem solved! I'd built the server with the latest R3 version while the test server was running Hotfix 4. I re-built the server with HF4 and all is right with the world. Robert > On Dec 6, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote

Re: Built Server—Best Practices...

2018-12-06 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I know I’ve swapped .4DC files for minor structure updates in the past on built-servers; yet, I just swapped out the entire “Server Database” folder in the built client and I’m now setting an error that I’ve never seen before. I’m sure I could copy over the massive server build and be done with

Re: Form Scaling & Optimal Fonts...

2018-12-06 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
The “Automatic” setting appears to be using Segoe UI 12 as a default. I also see “Automatic (Main)” which has a default of 16 point. The sweet spot for this Windows interface might be 13 point font; yet, it’s my understanding that any font-size over-rides on a particular object drops the

Re: Form Scaling & Optimal Fonts...

2018-12-06 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I showed a scaled up version of a few forms, during a migration to v17 and later I decided to move everything to automatic stylesheets as recommended by Keisuke that this is best practices now. So, Jefferey, are you using automatic stylesheets? What determines the font size of automatic

Re: Redrawing List Subform...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > I have a list subform showing related records and when a record is added via > programming the list does not update. ** 4D Internet Users Gr

Re: Audit File Updates via Triggers...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Wow, you guys are the best—GREAT idea! I think we all need to use objects more often and this is a great example—thanks Kirk. > On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:48 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > Robert, > My thoughts on the created by/modified by stuff: > 1) I moved all this

Re: Selection-based Listbox Deletions...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Keisuke, thanks for your response…. Just trying to get clarification here. > On Nov 20, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > ...selection-based list box did not exist back then, > and it was never further updated to work for list boxes. > using it

Re: Audit File Updates via Triggers...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Chuck, I think in this case, this makes sense. I never thought about tracking all record updates or going further… all updates on chosen fields. I recall in the past that other developers that cared about such things had a 3-4 fields added to each record and could easily see who created and

Audit File Updates via Triggers...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
At a minimum, I just have the simple need of recording “CreatedBy” and “ModifiedBy” values (username or ID) for one particular table. I do have extra fields already in that table that could be repurposed and I would probably add “DateModified” to that. However, that’s three fields used just

Re: Redrawing List Subform...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
. If > so, I sure wish the documentation would state that. Apparently, there is plenty of confusion about redrawing subforms. Thanks, Robert > On Nov 20, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>

Redrawing List Subform...

2018-11-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I have a list subform showing related records and when a record is added via programming the list does not update. So, I tried to use Redraw using the: object name; variable name, table name as a parameter and the redraw did not occur. Also, Redraw window had no affect either. Any ideas on how

Re: WARNING: Beware when rebuilding a structure using XML definition!

2018-11-19 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Pat, I know this is an ancient thread but I wanted to know, what was the original problem that was solved by the xml-based structure rebuild? I rebuilt one of my structures today via xml and it seemed to go smoothly. I knew I’d have to copy methods and forms lists were only selectable one

Selection-based Listbox Deletions...

2018-11-19 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I have a rather simple form with a selection-based Listbox from a related table where the automatic action button “Delete Subrecord” simply does not work. The unexpected results include: a) one of the parent records are deleted and it may not be the parent record you are working with; b) no

Re: V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

2018-11-18 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Tim, I’ve only noticed this behavior on this particular structure. I’ve accepted it somewhat after I realized that most of the recent anomalies go away after restarting 4D. Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2018, at 7:11 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >

Re: I've updated sideORDA

2018-11-17 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Thanks Kirk, I was one of those that was looking for that version. I was not sure that my DM via your lists_kirk email were received. Robert > On Nov 17, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > A few folks have asked me to update sideORDA >

Re: What's the thinking on setting/clearing semaphores rapidly?

2018-11-17 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
The overall performance of the server is sluggish or the log writing routine? Why does the loop have to be so tight? How about writing the log every minute or every 5 minutes I suppose that’s not an option for some reason. Robert Broussard Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2018, at 10:38

Re: What's the thinking on setting/clearing semaphores rapidly?

2018-11-17 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Kirk, what’s the problem with the current setup? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This is an obvious case for moving to a worker process once we get off v15 > but for the moment this method is causing me problems.

Re: V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

2018-11-17 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Actually I was using build 229490 but now I’m using the most recent (229707) with the same behavior as previously reported. Thanks, Robert > On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > While using v17R

Re: V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

2018-11-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
bill of health. So, if you have any ideas on what to check, I’m all ears. BTW: I could see that the 4D Forum shows that this was an issue with an old V13 beta but was quickly fixed after being reported by Tony R. Robert > On Nov 17, 2018, at 1:10 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_t

V17 MSC Reports Orphaned Methods...

2018-11-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
While using v17R3 (Build 17.228509) and v17.0 HF3, I noticed that my converted structure (coming from v11) that I’ve been regularly modifying during this v17 upgrade started to report anomalies via MSC Verify. To reproduce a problem I just delete a from object that was recently duplicated, just

Re: Screenshot via Windows...

2018-11-15 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
018, at 3:33 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > ...an efficient way to grab a specific portion of a Windows screen where the > pixel dimensions are preserved... ** 4D Internet

Screenshot via Windows...

2018-11-15 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’ve got a form from another system that I would like to use as a guide in this new v17 database. I used the Mac to get a screenshot of a windows form and all seemed well until I dragged that image file onto a new 4D form and noted that it was far larger than expected. I suppose that the Mac

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2018-11-15 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Oops! Sorry about that—I had no idea!!! Many Thanks Helge. I see it’s almost 7 in the evening your time—god kveld. Robert > On Nov 15, 2018, at 2:36 AM, 4dialog via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > By the way, Hilsen = Greeting in norwegian :)

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Hilsen, thanks for your input. So, if you are storing users in user tables, couldn’t that be used to restore a new structure? When you say you are storing lists outside of the DB you lose me. With your strategy, is the structure or the data file the authority? Are you using your own custom

Re: activating default user

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
HI Kirk, thanks for taking the time to weigh-in on this… I’m in need of some clarification, see below: > I include a field in the [Users] table for the database id and database > name. The significance of that value depends on the rules you set up for > yourself. I assume that these are

Can Designer Groups Be Deleted?

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Is there a way to delete Designer groups in 4D? Thanks, Robert ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub:

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Thanks Jim, for the database I’m working on I might be able to get by with a couple of checkboxes that represent groups and not really have a groups table. I’m planning to have all of the database users in a users table and to authenticate against that and to also verify that there is a

Re: activating default user

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Kirk, what was your method of keeping use rand 4d recs in sync? Thanks, R > On Sep 2, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Kirk Brooks wrote: > > You have to explicitly > offer some way to log in as a different 4D user or, as I eventually did, > tie my user records to a 4D user.

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Tim, I just toggled on the checkbox on the server that activates this feature but I’ve not implemented the code just yet…. So, how do you specify that you are logging in with the local 4D password instead of SSO? Modifier keys? Hidden Menu? Also, I’m not sure when the SSO login is in effect.

Re: 4D Authentication Strategy...

2018-11-14 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Supercool Tim! BTW: did you have a way of testing this in your office? Right now I’m thinking that when I’m connected to the client VPN I’d have access to that Windows server for authentication. Thanks, Robert > On Nov 9, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> >

Form Scaling & Optimal Fonts...

2018-11-10 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
For many projects, I’m working with a larger team where the precise size of fonts and other stylesheet details are already decided. In this case, I’m designing new forms and optimizing some old ones via Windows 10 (for a legacy application that looks like it ran on a Mac Plus) and I wanted to

Collection of Telemetry Data

2018-11-08 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I know that Jody has some expertise on this where he rolled his own remote data mirror. In my case, I just want my apps to phone home via the magic of the internet. I’d like to collect usage data to see what areas and features are used. I imagine this data would be collected in local tables

4D Authentication Strategy...

2018-11-08 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’ve inherited many 4D databases over the years and some have a custom password system and some use the built in 4D system or a hybrid approach. I know that 4D also allows authentication via Active Directory (single sign on) but I’ve not implemented that. So, I’m looking to enhance a few legacy

Re: Cannot Dismiss Form When Compiled... (Robert ListMail)

2018-11-08 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Tim, you nailed it. I knew the approach was rudimentary ("super legacy”) but it just seemed to work (and I was okay with that for now) and I couldn’t find anything in the docs that suggested that Modify Selection should be called with a preceding explicit Open Form Window and in it’s own

Picture Buttons--Benefits of Picture Library...

2018-11-07 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’ve been working with button images which the picture library... While doing this I noticed one nice feature of the picture library. When dragging button graphics from the picture library to a form (assuming that the picture properties are defined as a split object), the destination object is

Re: Cannot Dismiss Form When Compiled...

2018-11-07 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Any thoughts? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2018, at 12:43 AM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > cannot be dismissed when the application is compiled. ** 4D Internet Us

Cannot Dismiss Form When Compiled...

2018-11-06 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
While upgrading a v11 structure to v17R3 (Windows), I’ve noticed that the form (“PCDisplay”) loaded via Modify Selection cannot be dismissed when the application is compiled. Can you spot the problem? // DIALOG([DocketFile];"PullCaseSearch") If (OK=1)

Changing Picture/3D Button Sets Dynamically...

2018-11-05 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
How might you implement changing or swapping picture (or 3D Button) sets on the fly? I see the picture source can take a variable. Think about the flexibility we have with a display or entry filter where the filter definition is centrally defined with almost no effort. Have you had the buttons

Re: Moving picture resources from one database to another

2018-11-03 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Tim, nice piece if code that I was hoping to use to convert my PICT library images to PNG…. This works perfectly but it must be done BEFORE you convert the structure to v17. I hope this helps someone. Regards, Robert > On Feb 10, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech

Re: Intelligent Use of Entry/Display Filters...

2018-11-03 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
T FORMAT($ZipCode->;"") End case ======== > On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > ...zip code data entry and display. ** 4D Internet Us

Intelligent Use of Entry/Display Filters...

2018-11-03 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I’m refactoring and old database in v17 and wanted to re-think how the entry and display filters are implemented. At the moment, I’m focused on zip code data entry and display. The current system is setup to handle extended zip codes but there is often an extra hyphen when 5 standard length

Re: subtables issue

2018-11-03 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Keisuke, can you elaborate on the potential ORDA approach in this situation…? I’m dealing with subtables as well in v17 and was about to eliminate the obsolete subtable/subrecord commands when I noticed that you mentioned leaving it alone…. Are you suggesting that I leave the old “_o_”

Built Client/Server Anomalies (Probably My Fault) v17R3 Beta

2018-11-02 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
So, when I last reported effortless success of my V11 to V17 migration I’d used a v14 version that I’d experimented with years earlier and everything seemed to be working well…. I went back to the original v11 version just to make sure that any and all updates to the source were accommodated

Re: Structure Location--Best Practices...?

2018-11-01 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Does using another folder within the 4D folder resolve any problem? My first thought was to have the database folder as a root folder and not in another folder and TS is telling me the same. I suppose this makes more sense if the server is serving > 1 DB. Thanks, R Sent from my iPhone

Re: Structure Location--Best Practices...?

2018-11-01 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Thanks guys, that covers Windows... what about macOS? R Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I'd stay away from Program Files and the root of C (but a C:\4D\ base folder > would be fine if you only have one drive).

Structure Location--Best Practices...?

2018-11-01 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
When deploying a 4D (v17) structure (actually a built Server in this case) where is the optimal place to store these files? Over the years I’ve seen the structure stored in numerous places. However, as I’m configuring a new Windows 2016 server to be used exclusively to server 4D Server, I

Re: Using 4D with Git...

2018-11-01 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
If you start with your own local git data and then publish the project to GitHub and then move it to bitbucket do you get to see the granularity of the commits and have all of the other options offered via Git? Or, do you lose the history with each transition? Thanks, Robert Sent from my

Re: Using 4D with Git...

2018-10-31 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
John, just clarify… Fork is simply a GUI client to access GitHub or BitBucket repositories? Thanks, Robert > On Oct 31, 2018, at 8:42 AM, John DeSoi via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I like Fork. Nice interface, open source, free. I tried to find a donation > page, but did

Re: Using 4D with Git...

2018-10-30 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Mike, I’ll look into this. I like that all of the big git hosting companies like GitHub can integrate with third party trouble ticket trackers. For example I think GitHub works with ZenDesk while BitBucket uses Jira. Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Mike

Re: Using 4D with Git...

2018-10-30 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Paul, if you are using BitBucket aren’t they doing the hosting...? Also, BitBucket is free for up to 5 users with unlimited private repositories. R Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 30, 2018, at 12:51 AM, Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > If you host your own stuff as

Using 4D with Git...

2018-10-28 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Historically I’ve not been much of a Git user… now that I’m using Git on other projects and that 4D v17 R3 brings a native way to represent a complete 4D structure as text that can be managed by a Git repository, I’m excited to use Git to mange version control of my projects. However at the

Re: Creating button icons with Photoshop

2018-10-25 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Doug, did you find that? I’m working on a few button strategies myself. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Doug Hall wrote: > > Earlier today I ran across directions in the 4D documentation on how to use > Photoshop to create the four different layers of of a rollover button >

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

2018-10-24 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Thanks Rudy and Stephen, you’ve given me some things to consider. It’s been a long time since I’ve customized buttons. Back in 1994 I used photoshop to create some custom buttons but it seems it’s been a while. I’ve inherited many different apps over the years and never paid close attention to

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

2018-10-24 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Stephen, are you photoshopping the other states manually creating the other button versions...? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 23, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Stephen J. Orth > wrote: > > If you want to create a multi-state button, which is what you are describing, > you simply

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

2018-10-23 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Tim thanks for the reminder. I recall liking your interface design. So, are you using the various button states where 4D has the ability to swap the images during different states such as “rollover”? If so, did you have to create two or three different versions of each icon for matrix of

[OFF] Credit card payments...

2018-10-23 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I have a client with an overdue invoice…. They want to pay via CC but I normally don’t take credit cards. Do you take credit card payments…? My first thought its to use PayPal. Thanks, Robert ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D

Re: Leaving the .4DB behind??

2018-10-23 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
But what if the structure was that collection of files and that 4D runs as it always does but the github version management is always in play without an export? What if the .4db is simply a package that didn’t have to be there? Just a thought. I think at a minimum, we will be one mouse-click

Leaving the .4DB behind??

2018-10-23 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Will 4D be able to work directly from remote GitHub repositories and where the .4db is no more?? Sent from my iPhone ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options:

Re: Icon & Picture Button Sources...

2018-10-22 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
As I recall, Tim Nevels mentioned a favorite picture button resource which has escaped me... Tim, can you refresh my memory...? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 22, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > So, were

Icon & Picture Button Sources...

2018-10-22 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
As I move some v11 projects to v17, the old picture buttons fail to work as expected since they were using a PICT image and since those file formats are no longer supported by 4D. So, were do you find modern pictures to use for your picture buttons? Optimally it would be great if these are

Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

2018-10-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Kirk, I think any mechanism that can export 4D code as text (plain text, JSON, XML, etc) can be used via GitHub to at least manage method changes. So, with the new v17r3 we have a native way to share the entire structure which will allow us to use version control. However, the limitations seem

Re: Application Metrics

2018-10-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Jody, how did your deployed app phone home? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 4, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This information with the doctor information removed was sent to our central > server to accumulate.

Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

2018-10-19 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Patrick or Dani, how might your tool help identify what needs to change? R Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2018, at 2:09 AM, Patrick Emanuel via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Some tools can help you like QS_Toolbox from me or CodeAnalysis from Dani > Beaubien for example, and

Re: Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

2018-10-18 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Okay, I can’t find it now but someone said, "hey pop it into v17 and see if it works…" or something like that. Well, I did just that and without any changes it compiled (after toggling unicode on) and I created a built server and client and ran a few tests. Yes, as I recall, I did fix all of

Help->v11 to v17 Upgrade or New?

2018-10-17 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I have an old v11 database running on Windows that’s not particularly well-designed and where there are more than a few subtables to deal with. Assuming that there is no additional budget for writing a new clean app, would you likely upgrade or re-write in v17 with the old v11 structure as

Re: Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

2018-10-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
So, could this structure data not be used to create a new 4D database? Can it be imported back into 4D…? Thanks, Robert > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:26 PM, Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > It's in v17 R3 > https://blog.4d.com/text-files-from-your-structure-file/ >

Re: Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

2018-10-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Hi Dani, yes, thanks for the reminder. I think I used your product once before. As I recall only methods are exported and that some resources that fully define the structure are not represented, do I have that right? It looks like v17R3 will export forms and all other resources. R Sent from

Re: Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

2018-10-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
//blog.4d.com/text-files-from-your-structure-file/ > <https://blog.4d.com/text-files-from-your-structure-file/> Robert > On Oct 16, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Can you explain how to export my entire source code as sh

Structure to TEXT files... GitHub

2018-10-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Can you explain how to export my entire source code as shown in this video by “4D Software”? I don’t seem to have this command in 4D v17R2 or 15.6. Export your structure file in multiple text files - YouTube > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQlO9bbKNJc=1s >

Re: Built Server—Best Practices...

2018-10-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Thanked Kirk, Tim & Tim! :) This is what I thought you guys might say…. So, do you use the XML to do the build or the standard GUI? R > On Oct 16, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > The “Best Practice” is to do what 4D TS says

Built Server—Best Practices...

2018-10-16 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I recently started to use built client/server more often since I inherited a client that was already doing that. I was told by another developer that when doing a structure change that I can simply swap the .4DC file and I’m done. 4D TS suggests that this is not wise and that I should probably

Re: 4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

2018-07-27 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Tim, you have an amazing memory. I imagine a 4D trivia game where you walk away with the biggest trophy—thanks! Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > This is a known issue. Trying to print with Windows 8 and later

Re: 4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

2018-07-26 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Apparently, the client did some testing in that regard, everything seemed to work except the printing from 4D failed. I’ll just keep them going on the old hardware until I’m ready to make the change to the new v17 version. Thanks, Robert > On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Charles Miller via

4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

2018-07-26 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
I have a new project that involves a v11-based system. A new system is in development but not ready for production, any possibility of running a v11 system on a new Server OS (Windows Server 2016) with Windows 10 clients? Thanks, Robert

4D Server as a Service

2018-07-20 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
This morning, I received a call about a Windows server 2012 where 4D Server v15.6 was not running. Since it runs as a service it seems to normally survive reboots of the server when their IT guys are applying security patches to Windows Server and whatnot. I’ve managed the symptom by restarting

Re: ​RE: Server Monitoring...

2018-07-18 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
ert ListMail via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > Thanks Stephen—looks like another great solution. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 17, 2018, at 3:35 PM, steve simpson via 4D_Tech >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: >> >>

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