Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-07-13 Thread JOHN BAUGHMAN via 4D_Tech
Robert, I suggested Xojo, but when I posted I don’t think I had yet done my Xojo/4D presentation on 4DMethod. You might take a look if you haven’t already… https://4dmethod.com/2018/04/16/april-25th-meeting-4d-with-a-xojo-web-app-front-end-john-baughman/

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-07-13 Thread Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
Great thread. Now, one of the difficulties with modern web development is that there are so many options and possibilities such that the best practices approach is unclear. Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 15, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: >

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-15 Thread Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech
Thank you to all who responded (there have been many of you). Lots of food for thought, and we’ll chew them over carefully… Cheers, Keith ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive:

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-15 Thread Mitchell Shiller via 4D_Tech
For what is is worth, I had the complete opposite experience in Quebec. (Remember that health care is a provincial mandate, so experience varies from province to province.) In the last two years, Quebec overhauled the interface for payments for doctors, and those services covered by

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-15 Thread Bernd Fröhlich via 4D_Tech
John Baughman: > I use Xojo, http://xojo.com. I may be the only 4D developer on the planet > that uses Xojo. No, you are not alone :-) I have written an iOS app to access data that comes from our 4D server using the REST approach. So there is no zoo of ever changing languages/libraries, just

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-15 Thread Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech
I use Grahams lightning and the Oxygen xml editor with bootstrap. V4 is now ready for production and not a lot it cant do. Need 4d experience though but design is separate from data. Jody, We have never met but the Uk Gov at the EU behest did the same to me for my buildings energy performance

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech
Jody: Same story in BC. Nova Scotia is curious. 3 years ago, they decided that the radiologists should submit claims electronically instead of on paper. You had the capital region (all around Halifax), and the community based groups related to specific hospitals. There are 8 such groups. All

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech
Tim: The story is long, but the steps for them are: 1. Set up an RFP that is targeted such that their cronies are the only ones that can deliver (ISP - Telco), thus every current vendor must partner with the telco. 2. Refuse to give out important interface information to various public

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On Mar 14, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Jody Bevan wrote: >> On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com >> > wrote: >> >> I guess that explains why you “retired” and moved to that “tropical" place. >> You sold your company and got rich.

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech
Tim: > On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I guess that explains why you “retired” and moved to that “tropical" place. > You sold your company and got rich. Congratulations! There is a much different ending than you have given. I like your

RE: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech
We’ve put Wakanda in front of 4D. On front end uses Angular, another uses many widgets and nodeJS running in Wakanda. David Ringsmuth From: Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 3:08 AM To: 4D Tech Mailing List Technical Cc: Keith Goebel Subject: 4D data on the web - what do

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Julio Carneiro via 4D_Tech
Keith, you may take a look at my presentation on 4D Methods, where I explain how I do what you’re asking for. https://4dmethod.com/2017/12/31/january-17th-meeting-4d-web-access-and-angular2-components-julio-carneiro/#more-822

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On Mar 14, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Jody Bevan wrote: > This is a very timely topic for me. We put a good chunk of our medical > application on the Web back in 2004. Back then we used Apache up front, and > then just used 4D to generate the HTML. We had 4D serve the HTML through a 4D > Client back

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Tom DeMeo via 4D_Tech
Hi, I highly recommend Active4D as your server side solution, assuming you plan to do more than a few days worth of web work. You will almost certainly have to work through many of the issues that Active4D would provide solutions for, and you almost certainly won’t do as good a job of it. The

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Hi Keith, My app is still on v15 but I think the principles are consistent for what I've got to add. I'll also point out I'm much more a 4D developer than a web developer so I tend to keep my we apps on the lean and simple side. That said I keep the HTML out of 4D as much as possible. What's that

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech
This is a very timely topic for me. We put a good chunk of our medical application on the Web back in 2004. Back then we used Apache up front, and then just used 4D to generate the HTML. We had 4D serve the HTML through a 4D Client back through Apache. It worked very well, and is still running

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread John Baughman via 4D_Tech
I use Xojo, http://xojo.com. I may be the only 4D developer on the planet that uses Xojo. If you are interested, I am doing a 4DMethod online presentation on April 25, “Leveraging 4D with a Xojo Web app front end”. For more information go to http://4DMethod.com I have 5 Xojo web apps deployed,

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech
My overarching advice is start with the basics. No plug-ins, no javascript front end. It’s interesting that people want you to add a javascript front-end. I’m working on some React stuff now, so there’s a place for it, but I’d suggest you wait until you need it and not start there. 1. No

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread npdennis via 4D_Tech
I’m partial to React, I use 4D methods to return JSON strings (via JSON Stringify on a C_OBJECT) Before choosing React, I build a proof of concept page with React and Angular (not AngularJS). React performed much better and was easier to learn because the React language is close to Javascript,

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread B.Bippus via 4D_Tech
We are also build our own REST interface for our WebCient. We use Bootstrap / AngularJS with JSON/REST via NTK to the 4D Server. We ar satisfied with it, the solution works good and stable Some tipps: We start the REST interface with the sample Code from NTK, maybe the "

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Milan Adamov via 4D_Tech
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 09:08, Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Hi all. > We have an extensive 4D system to which we want to provide summary overviews > and drill-downs via the web. > I have a couple of questions I'm hoping somebody will be able to answer... > >

Re: 4D data on the web - what do you use?

2018-03-14 Thread Herr Alexander Heintz via 4D_Tech
Am 14.03.2018 um 09:08 schrieb Keith Goebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > Hi all. > We have an extensive 4D system to which we want to provide summary overviews > and drill-downs via the web. > I have a couple of questions I'm hoping somebody will be able to answer... > > Are you