Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Hey folks,
I wanted to say how much I appreciate the suggestions and discussions on
this thread. After looking things over I've decided to go with SplashTop
for a year. I like the look and feel, works on my Mac and will for less
than LogMeIn let's me have access to all my company computers.

Check back next year to the next chapter.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 1:27 PM Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
>
> Suggestions?
>
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RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

Robert,

We’ve used IsItUp for many years.

David Ringsmuth

From: Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech
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Subject: Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

I saw that thread and thought I read it thoroughly, wasn’t that about remote 
access and administration of computers not on your local network? I’m looking 
to be notified that a server is no longer responding... a server that has 
crashed or is down or unreachable for some reason. Isn’t that a different 
subject matter?

Thanks,

Robert 

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> On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> you might also be interested in:
> 
> Alternative à RDP (http://forums.4d.com/Post/FR/24803223/1/24818538#24818538)
> 
> which mentions
> 
> TSPLUS (https://www.tsplus.net/)
> guacamole (https://guacamole.apache.org/)
> 
> 
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

I saw that thread and thought I read it thoroughly, wasn’t that about remote 
access and administration of computers not on your local network? I’m looking 
to be notified that a server is no longer responding... a server that has 
crashed or is down or unreachable for some reason. Isn’t that a different 
subject matter?

Thanks,

Robert 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> you might also be interested in:
> 
> Alternative à RDP (http://forums.4d.com/Post/FR/24803223/1/24818538#24818538)
> 
> which mentions
> 
> TSPLUS (https://www.tsplus.net/)
> guacamole (https://guacamole.apache.org/)
> 
> 
> 
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RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Tom,

This is exactly one of the primary problems with RD.  We have been using Solar 
Winds Mini-Remote Control for years and love the product.  Fully supports 
Windows authentication, and provides many great options.

However, as it always seems to be with Corp IT, they don't like anything except 
RD even though they don't understand how it works.


Steve


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From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Benedict, Tom 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:52 AM
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Cc: Benedict, Tom 
Subject: Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

We have a number of 4D Servers which we run under a dedicated Windows Account. 
We use the same Windows Account to run all Production Servers on all machines. 
If someone needs to monitor the server they can do that via RDC using that 
Windows Account. That avoids any session confusion. However, it doesn't allow 
multiple users to monitor the same session and, since we run 4D Server from the 
desktop, rather than as a Windows Service, it also exposes the risk of the user 
accidentally 'logging off' instead of 'disconnecting' which causes 4D Server to 
quit. For these reasons we use RealVNC to monitor all servers, which is simply 
a screen sharing app.

Tom Benedict

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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Benedict, Tom via 4D_Tech]

We have a number of 4D Servers which we run under a dedicated Windows Account. 
We use the same Windows Account to run all Production Servers on all machines. 
If someone needs to monitor the server they can do that via RDC using that 
Windows Account. That avoids any session confusion. However, it doesn't allow 
multiple users to monitor the same session and, since we run 4D Server from the 
desktop, rather than as a Windows Service, it also exposes the risk of the user 
accidentally 'logging off' instead of 'disconnecting' which causes 4D Server to 
quit. For these reasons we use RealVNC to monitor all servers, which is simply 
a screen sharing app.

>The issue as I understand it is this; Windows Server allows you to have 
>multiple sessions for users concurrently logged in.
>This can be confusing when multiple people connect expecting to administer the 
>same desktop, but instead of seeing a
>shared desktop they get their own desktop in their own session, even though 
>the app they are looking to administer (4D)
>is running  in another user session. To correct this they must be aware of the 
>session they are currently connected to
>and aware of the session that is running the app they want to administer.

Tom Benedict
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RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Tim,

Yes, your suggestion is good, if people would take the effort to do that.  Our 
users do not, and hence cause all kinds of problems, which then we have to 
correct.

Education is great, if people would simply listen.  I have a couple of signs in 
my office:

 1.  I can explain it to you, but I cannot learn it for you.

 2. Can't fix stupid

You take your pick into which category this falls into.

Best,


Steve


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From: Timothy Penner [mailto:tpen...@4d.com] 
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To: s.o...@the-aquila-group.com; '4D iNug Technical' <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

The issue as I understand it is this; Windows Server allows you to have 
multiple sessions for users concurrently logged in. This can be confusing when 
multiple people connect expecting to administer the same desktop, but instead 
of seeing a shared desktop they get their own desktop in their own session, 
even though the app they are looking to administer (4D) is running  in another 
user session. To correct this they must be aware of the session they are 
currently connected to and aware of the session that is running the app they 
want to administer.

If the latest version of Windows Server no longer uses the concept of the 
console session then I would still suggest using the Task Manager to view the 
"Users" tab to determine whether or not another windows session exists.
Then, from the users tab of the Task Manager you can expand the list of 
processes on a per user session basis, this allows you to see if 4D is running 
under any of the existing sessions.
If you see 4D running under an existing user session, you could then 
right-click on the user name and choose "Connect" to control that session.

-Tim


Timothy Penner
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RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech]

The issue as I understand it is this; Windows Server allows you to have 
multiple sessions for users concurrently logged in. This can be confusing when 
multiple people connect expecting to administer the same desktop, but instead 
of seeing a shared desktop they get their own desktop in their own session, 
even though the app they are looking to administer (4D) is running  in another 
user session. To correct this they must be aware of the session they are 
currently connected to and aware of the session that is running the app they 
want to administer.

If the latest version of Windows Server no longer uses the concept of the 
console session then I would still suggest using the Task Manager to view the 
"Users" tab to determine whether or not another windows session exists.
Then, from the users tab of the Task Manager you can expand the list of 
processes on a per user session basis, this allows you to see if 4D is running 
under any of the existing sessions.
If you see 4D running under an existing user session, you could then 
right-click on the user name and choose "Connect" to control that session.

-Tim



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RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Tim,

I don't believe on the latest version you can connect to the console anymore, 
which is why we are having issues with RD.


Steve


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Subject: RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

Quote:
> Just don't use RD in an environment you don't control because it does not 
> launch to the console, it creates a new session.  If you have multiple people 
> accessing the same system, they all have their own sessions and it creates 
> all kinds of problems.

You need to make sure the users connect to the admin console...

There are a number of ways of doing this:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/278845/how-to-connect-to-and-shadow-the-console-session-with-windows-server-2
https://www.veritas.com/support/en_US/article.HOWTO55885

I usually just bring up the task manager, view the Users tab, then right click 
on the user that session of the console and choose "connect".

-Tim



Timothy Penner
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RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Timothy Penner via 4D_Tech]

Quote:
> Just don't use RD in an environment you don't control because it does not 
> launch to the console, it creates a new session.  If you have multiple people 
> accessing the same system, they all have their own sessions and it creates 
> all kinds of problems.

You need to make sure the users connect to the admin console...

There are a number of ways of doing this:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/278845/how-to-connect-to-and-shadow-the-console-session-with-windows-server-2
https://www.veritas.com/support/en_US/article.HOWTO55885

I usually just bring up the task manager, view the Users tab, then right click 
on the user that session of the console and choose "connect".

-Tim




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RE: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Just don't use RD in an environment you don't control because it does not 
launch to the console, it creates a new session.  If you have multiple people 
accessing the same system, they all have their own sessions and it creates all 
kinds of problems.


Steve

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Subject: Re: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

I like this as well

Regards


Chuck


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Re: ​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Charles Miller via 4D_Tech]

I like this as well

Regards


Chuck

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4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:01 PM,
> ​
> John Baughma wrote:
>
> > I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded
> for
> > free from Microsoft. They regularly update it. Clipboards are shared and
> > you can designate one or more folders on your Mac as network drives which
> > automatically mount when you log in.
> > ​[snip]​
> >
> >
> ​+1
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​Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[steve simpson via 4D_Tech]

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:01 PM,
​
John Baughma wrote:

> I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded for
> free from Microsoft. They regularly update it. Clipboards are shared and
> you can designate one or more folders on your Mac as network drives which
> automatically mount when you log in.
> ​[snip]​
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RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Lo via 4D_Tech]

Hi Kirk

Lots of options.
And lots of cost options, of course!

I support customers in far flung places (From the UK) and have done so for some 
time.
Half way around the world, and often with very limited bandwidth.

Various products over the years, but TeamViewer for the last many.
Yes, it costs, but it get what you pay for.
So, depending on your need, and pricing model?
Costs me nothing. That's what customers are for.

Solid, reliable, and good performance on slightly dicky connections.

Love and kisses
Lo

Yes, Oxford comma...
I'm that old.


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4D_Tech
Sent: 15 July 2018 21:27
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Kirk Brooks 
Subject: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was OK 
at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for 
something else.

Suggestions?

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RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[David Ringsmuth via 4D_Tech]

Kirk,

Connectwise (ScreenConnect) is the best replacement for LogMeIn.

Cheaper, more features.

But if you share your account, only 1 user can use it at a time. LogMeIn 
allowed me to share subsets of computer access without paying more.

David Ringsmuth

From: Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
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Subject: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
something else.

Suggestions?

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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded for free 
from Microsoft. They regularly update it. Clipboards are shared and you can 
designate one or more folders on your Mac as network drives which  
automatically mount when you log in. 

With RMD you are logging in as one of the users on that machine which is great 
as you have the choice of whether to log in with the Admin account or not. The 
only drawback is that this means only one user at a time and if someone is 
logged into the same account you kick them off without any warning. On the 
other hand you can both be on with different accounts. 

John Baughman
Kailua, Hawaii
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> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately there is no Mac client so I have to use parallels
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[David Conley via 4D_Tech]

Kirk,

We switched from LogmeIn to Splashtop years ago.  We use it from Mac to Windows 
all the time and it works great.  Can move files to/from as well.  No 
complaints here.

David Conley

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 8:03 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Good suggestions guys. I really appreciate it. Many things I've been
> looking at already. I use TeamViewer quite a lot to help people with
> 'stuff'. Usually 'Here, let me google that for you' but it's also good when
> someone is saying, "4D just isn't working right..." and I want to see what
> they are actually doing vs. what they say is happening.
> 
> I should have mentioned, because not everyone knows me, that I really want
> a mac to windows solution if possible. TeamViewer would be a good choice
> though in this particular case it would actually increase our annual cost
> though it would offer a lot more usefulness much of which I wouldn't
> actually use.
> 
> SplashTop has a great website and looks like the leading contender at the
> moment. Can anyone speak to using it from a Mac to Windows?
> 
> I use DropBox for moving files to and fro as well so doing that in session
> isn't so much of a deal.
> 
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Thanks Alan and Miyako. Interesting approaches and tools I hadn't
considered. To be honest probably not a direction I'm going as my skills in
those areas are adequate at best and I'm afraid of horking something up by
mistake and then having to go down to the datacenter to fix it.

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> We use RealVNC on all servers but use TeamViewer for client machines. We
> used to use LogMeIn for client machines but our support guys prefer
> Teamviewer and I didn't ask why.
>
> Alan Chan
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Hey Doug,
RAdmin looks pretty good. Certainly priced right for situations where one
has a smallish number of machines to manage. Good information on Simplehelp
too.

Thanks!

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 1:30 AM Douglas Cryer via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I thought I would chime in as I may have something useful to contribute
> for once __
>
> My support team manage over 30 hosted Windows servers mostly at our data
> centre but some at client sites.  For server remote control we almost
> exclusively use RAdmin.  Unfortunately there is no Mac client so I have to
> use parallels on my Laptop when I am away from the office.  Radmin is
> really fast and allows more than one person at a time to be on the same
> server under the same account which is a huge thing for us.
>
> We also use a product called SimpleHelp.  SimpleHelp is not as fast but it
> solves a completely different use case for us that is supporting and
> training drop in users as well as supporting our EPOS till estate.  Simple
> help is a web Java based tool (Mac, Windows, Unix) that allows on demand or
> persistent access to any remote machine.  So users can connect to a queue
> where our support team can pick up the connection or we can connect to a
> persistent connection that has been previously created.  We run simple help
> on a UNIX server and have a concurrent license which fits the needs of our
> small support team.
>
> Hope this is useful.
>
> Regards,  Dougie
> 
>
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> Phone : 01234 761759  Mobile : 07973 675 218
> 2nd Floor Broadway House, 4-6 The Broadway, Bedford MK40 2TE
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Douglas Cryer via 4D_Tech]

Hi there,

I thought I would chime in as I may have something useful to contribute for 
once __

My support team manage over 30 hosted Windows servers mostly at our data centre 
but some at client sites.  For server remote control we almost exclusively use 
RAdmin.  Unfortunately there is no Mac client so I have to use parallels on my 
Laptop when I am away from the office.  Radmin is really fast and allows more 
than one person at a time to be on the same server under the same account which 
is a huge thing for us.

We also use a product called SimpleHelp.  SimpleHelp is not as fast but it 
solves a completely different use case for us that is supporting and training 
drop in users as well as supporting our EPOS till estate.  Simple help is a web 
Java based tool (Mac, Windows, Unix) that allows on demand or persistent access 
to any remote machine.  So users can connect to a queue where our support team 
can pick up the connection or we can connect to a persistent connection that 
has been previously created.  We run simple help on a UNIX server and have a 
concurrent license which fits the needs of our small support team.

Hope this is useful.

Regards,  Dougie


telekinetix Limited- J. Douglas Cryer
Phone : 01234 761759  Mobile : 07973 675 218
2nd Floor Broadway House, 4-6 The Broadway, Bedford MK40 2TE
Email : jdcr...@telekinetix.com  Web : http://www.telekinetix.com 


 



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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Alan Chan via 4D_Tech]

We use RealVNC on all servers but use TeamViewer for client machines. We used 
to use LogMeIn for client machines but our support guys prefer Teamviewer and I 
didn't ask why.

Alan Chan

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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

you might also be interested in:

Alternative à RDP (http://forums.4d.com/Post/FR/24803223/1/24818538#24818538)

which mentions

TSPLUS (https://www.tsplus.net/)
guacamole (https://guacamole.apache.org/)




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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Good suggestions guys. I really appreciate it. Many things I've been
looking at already. I use TeamViewer quite a lot to help people with
'stuff'. Usually 'Here, let me google that for you' but it's also good when
someone is saying, "4D just isn't working right..." and I want to see what
they are actually doing vs. what they say is happening.

I should have mentioned, because not everyone knows me, that I really want
a mac to windows solution if possible. TeamViewer would be a good choice
though in this particular case it would actually increase our annual cost
though it would offer a lot more usefulness much of which I wouldn't
actually use.

SplashTop has a great website and looks like the leading contender at the
moment. Can anyone speak to using it from a Mac to Windows?

I use DropBox for moving files to and fro as well so doing that in session
isn't so much of a deal.


On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 1:27 PM Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
>
> Suggestions?
>
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> San Francisco, CA
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech]

Looking at the responses you’re getting makes me wonder about the use case.

I liked Join.Me for remote support. It was easy to get remote users online 
pretty easily (assuming they had permission to install software). That scenario 
was “Ben is having problems and I need to login to his computer to see what’s 
up. Installation didn’t require a restart, which is bonus. As time went on they 
started requiring everyone to have an account, which slowed things down. But, 
for the price, fine.

I also had a client using Splashtop, which is permanently installed on his 4D 
server so I can login and do stuff. I use Dropbox to transfer files, so I can’t 
speak to that part, But the screen sharing/driving the remote computer is aces.



> On Jul 15, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[John Baughman via 4D_Tech]

I’ll bet there is a reason not to, but from a Mac to a Mac I use good old Apple 
Screen Sharing (VNC). To a Windows server I use Microsoft Remote Desktop for 
Mac. Both are free and work really well. Have not found any limitation with 
either. Nothing required on the server end. 

John

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> On Jul 15, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Splashtop looks really good, I might have to swap from Teamviewer
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 July 2018 at 08:41, Guy Algot via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> +1 for Splashtop. Much more economical than either LogMeIn or TeamViewer. 
>> Works better too IMO.
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
>>> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
>>> something else.
>>> 
>>> Suggestions?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kirk Brooks
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>> ===
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Later,
>> Guy
>> 
>> --
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>> (780) 974-8538
>> 
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>> specializing in 4th Dimension
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech]

Splashtop looks really good, I might have to swap from Teamviewer

Regards,

Wayne




On 16 July 2018 at 08:41, Guy Algot via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> +1 for Splashtop. Much more economical than either LogMeIn or TeamViewer. 
> Works better too IMO.
>
>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
>> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
>> something else.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Kirk Brooks
>> San Francisco, CA
>> ===
>>
>
>
> Later,
> Guy
>
> --
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> Edmonton, Alberta
> (780) 974-8538
>
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Guy Algot via 4D_Tech]

+1 for Splashtop. Much more economical than either LogMeIn or TeamViewer. Works 
better too IMO.

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Brooks
> San Francisco, CA
> ===
> 


Later,
Guy

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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech]

Teamviewer, I cheated for a long time and said i was not using it in a
commercial environment but then guilt got the better of me!

Regards,

Wayne




On 16 July 2018 at 07:14, Ed Glassgow via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> Splashtop (mac/pc)..  or if on Windows and you can do port forwarding, 
> UltraVNC.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
>> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
>> something else.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
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>> San Francisco, CA
>> ===
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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

[Ed Glassgow via 4D_Tech]

Splashtop (mac/pc)..  or if on Windows and you can do port forwarding, UltraVNC.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
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> San Francisco, CA
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