Re: Users and group not converting when moving from v17r5 to v18

[Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech]

Yes I know they were changed I am walking my way though the changes now as I am 
working on preparing to move to the new 4D V18 project mode. In a way I like 
the movement of the User sand groups to the .json file. But breaking the 
conversion of users and groups for a large corporation and requiring the 
permissions be regenerated manually may be a major issue for a large 
organization.

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Guy Algot  wrote:
> 
> Eric, U were changed with v18 project mode. Check out the blog, I believe 
> there was a posting there about it.
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I have found that if you take a 4D v17r5 program and convert it to v18. Then 
>> change the database to a project database it will lose the memberships in 
>> the users and groups. When exported you will see all your groups and users. 
>> But the memberships between the two will disappear. With the exception being 
>> “Designer” and “Administrator”.
>> 
>> Even worse. If you took a User to blob file saved in 4D v17r5 and import it 
>> into v18 it will corrupt the minimal users and groups file created when the 
>> database was converted. Effectively all the groups will disappear and 
>> corrupt groups groups will come into existance.
>> 
>> A curiosity is that the designer and administrator will keep their 
>> memberships, but all the other users will lose the relationships. I have 
>> noticed the the new directory.json no longer has user numbers. I suspect 
>> this may be part of the problem. This is certainly causing issues with my 
>> linking users to their [Employee] table records. The user number used to be 
>> a constant and I would use it to tie a user to an employee record with a 
>> simple Longint.
>> 
>> Can anybody verify this is true or not.  Or is there something really simple 
>> that I am missing. The good thing is that my users and groups are pretty 
>> small so I can manually recreate the directory.json file. Then make a backup 
>> of the file in my v18 project. 
>> 
>> I am using the method of saving the directory.json file in the dat folder to 
>> keep my users and groups constant between versions of the database. 
>> 
>> I remember there was a discussion about users and groups in the past and 
>> issues with import-export of the data to a blob.
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> 
> Later,
> Guy
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Re: Users and group not converting when moving from v17r5 to v18

[Guy Algot via 4D_Tech]

Eric, U were changed with v18 project mode. Check out the blog, I believe 
there was a posting there about it.

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have found that if you take a 4D v17r5 program and convert it to v18. Then 
> change the database to a project database it will lose the memberships in the 
> users and groups. When exported you will see all your groups and users. But 
> the memberships between the two will disappear. With the exception being 
> “Designer” and “Administrator”.
> 
> Even worse. If you took a User to blob file saved in 4D v17r5 and import it 
> into v18 it will corrupt the minimal users and groups file created when the 
> database was converted. Effectively all the groups will disappear and corrupt 
> groups groups will come into existance.
> 
> A curiosity is that the designer and administrator will keep their 
> memberships, but all the other users will lose the relationships. I have 
> noticed the the new directory.json no longer has user numbers. I suspect this 
> may be part of the problem. This is certainly causing issues with my linking 
> users to their [Employee] table records. The user number used to be a 
> constant and I would use it to tie a user to an employee record with a simple 
> Longint.
> 
> Can anybody verify this is true or not.  Or is there something really simple 
> that I am missing. The good thing is that my users and groups are pretty 
> small so I can manually recreate the directory.json file. Then make a backup 
> of the file in my v18 project. 
> 
> I am using the method of saving the directory.json file in the dat folder to 
> keep my users and groups constant between versions of the database. 
> 
> I remember there was a discussion about users and groups in the past and 
> issues with import-export of the data to a blob.
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Guy

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Users and group not converting when moving from v17r5 to v18

[Eric Naujock via 4D_Tech]

I have found that if you take a 4D v17r5 program and convert it to v18. Then 
change the database to a project database it will lose the memberships in the 
users and groups. When exported you will see all your groups and users. But the 
memberships between the two will disappear. With the exception being “Designer” 
and “Administrator”.

Even worse. If you took a User to blob file saved in 4D v17r5 and import it 
into v18 it will corrupt the minimal users and groups file created when the 
database was converted. Effectively all the groups will disappear and corrupt 
groups groups will come into existance.

A curiosity is that the designer and administrator will keep their memberships, 
but all the other users will lose the relationships. I have noticed the the new 
directory.json no longer has user numbers. I suspect this may be part of the 
problem. This is certainly causing issues with my linking users to their 
[Employee] table records. The user number used to be a constant and I would use 
it to tie a user to an employee record with a simple Longint.

Can anybody verify this is true or not.  Or is there something really simple 
that I am missing. The good thing is that my users and groups are pretty small 
so I can manually recreate the directory.json file. Then make a backup of the 
file in my v18 project. 

I am using the method of saving the directory.json file in the dat folder to 
keep my users and groups constant between versions of the database. 

I remember there was a discussion about users and groups in the past and issues 
with import-export of the data to a blob.
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