Re: v17 ready for prime time?
I got this message from a customer on Friday after upgrading to v17 Windows: "I’d say the program isn’t as smooth as it was before – kind of refreshing the screen a lot/going blank for a second and re-appearing. When I drag and drop items the whole list goes blank and I just guess where to drag and drop them to in the list." I'm not sure about exactly which Windows version and what configuration, but it is definitely 64-bit and I've compiled it for 64-bit. I'm doing a screenshare with her later today to investigate. My guess is she needs more memory ... if anybody has any suggestions, please speak up! It doesn't behave that way for me of course :) Pat On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 at 04:22, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > We went live with 17.0 last week at Sweetwater. > > A few gotchas and glitches, but ready for deployment in my opinion. Like > you, this is our only window for a big upgrade during the year. > > Our issues: > > - The new network layer has taken a step back from v16. Performance died > at about 400 users/2000 processes. Version 16.3 HF2 could handle our load > of 600+ users/3500+ processes. Luckily the old network layer is available > in v17 for all platforms, which seems to be fine. > > - Issues on 64-bit Windows printing compared to 32-bit - for us this is > with Zebra label printers (using the Designer driver) as well as printers > with multiple bins. We'll have to dig into this more, but 32-bit Windows is > fine. > > - There's a weird issue with cloned VMs or machines created from a master > image that didn't exist in prior versions. If you see cloned workstations > drop off the server when another clone connects to the server, you'll need > to either create a new user account or reinstall the OS from scratch. > We've seen this on both Mac and Windows now. On Windows, it was with 8 > VMWare virtual machines that were all cloned from a master VM. On the Mac, > we saw it in a department that had 9 iMacs that were all imaged from the > same source. > > Other than these initial issues, Everything Seems OK™ > > -- > Jeffrey Kain > jeffrey.k...@gmail.com > > > > On Jul 22, 2018, at 10:57 PM, Jim Crate via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > > > > Everyone that responded mentioned new projects. Has anyone pushed a > legacy project from v16 to v17 into production with 4D Server with 20 or > more users? > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- * CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 w: http://www.catbase.com skype: pat.bensky * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
We went live with 17.0 last week at Sweetwater. A few gotchas and glitches, but ready for deployment in my opinion. Like you, this is our only window for a big upgrade during the year. Our issues: - The new network layer has taken a step back from v16. Performance died at about 400 users/2000 processes. Version 16.3 HF2 could handle our load of 600+ users/3500+ processes. Luckily the old network layer is available in v17 for all platforms, which seems to be fine. - Issues on 64-bit Windows printing compared to 32-bit - for us this is with Zebra label printers (using the Designer driver) as well as printers with multiple bins. We'll have to dig into this more, but 32-bit Windows is fine. - There's a weird issue with cloned VMs or machines created from a master image that didn't exist in prior versions. If you see cloned workstations drop off the server when another clone connects to the server, you'll need to either create a new user account or reinstall the OS from scratch. We've seen this on both Mac and Windows now. On Windows, it was with 8 VMWare virtual machines that were all cloned from a master VM. On the Mac, we saw it in a department that had 9 iMacs that were all imaged from the same source. Other than these initial issues, Everything Seems OK™ -- Jeffrey Kain jeffrey.k...@gmail.com > On Jul 22, 2018, at 10:57 PM, Jim Crate via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > Everyone that responded mentioned new projects. Has anyone pushed a legacy > project from v16 to v17 into production with 4D Server with 20 or more users? ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
Everyone that responded mentioned new projects. Has anyone pushed a legacy project from v16 to v17 into production with 4D Server with 20 or more users? The best time for us to upgrade is summer. While it used to be that it would be foolish to move to production before .1 or .2, v16 was pretty stable from the beginning and with the changes in development practices it seems like new releases are much more stable than they used to be. Jim Crate ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
Hey Steve, I am really impressed with v17 and recommend it for all your new projects. I also strongly recommend reading the blog. It's not just pretty. The posts about the new v17 features are really worthwhile. The way you can associate a collection with a listbox now is remarkably powerful once you get it. And the options and implications for using ORDA are really profound. But really, really different from the way we've been doing things. So if you start designing a new project without some understanding of what you can accomplish with ORDA it's a bit like getting that new Porsche and only using the first two gears. Still goes like hell but you're missing out on a lot. I re-watched the videos of Thomas Maul and Laurant from the Summit yesterday. I got so much more from it now that I've been using v17. I really recommend taking a look at them. The fact that you _can_ work with v17 exactly the way you have worked with pretty much every version since v11 doesn't mean you should. Especially on a new project. On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 2:06 PM steve simpson via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Is it ready? > -- Kirk Brooks San Francisco, CA === *We go vote - they go home* ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
I've been working quite extensively with it - haven't run into any issues so far, and I'm loving the improvements to Write Pro. PB On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 at 22:06, steve simpson via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > I see that a lot of you are using v17, doing active development with it, > testing it out with current projects, etc. I don't normally move production > projects into a new version until the xx.2 or xx.3 iterations, but am > wondering if some of you who are actually using v17 in production could > chime in with your opinion as to whether it is safe to move straight from > v15.5 to v17 now, or best to move first to v16 and wait for a couple more > updates to v17. Is it ready? > > - > Stephen Simpson > Cimarron Software > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** -- * CatBase - Top Dog in Data Publishing tel: +44 (0) 207 118 7889 w: http://www.catbase.com skype: pat.bensky * ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
Hi Steve, I’m about to use v17 on a new project. I’m confident that I can work through any teething issues with the support of 4D—they have always come through for me. Robert Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:05 PM, steve simpson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > I see that a lot of you are using v17... is it ready? ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
Thanks guys I also have a new project and 4Dv17 would be perfect. This type of feedback bad or good is very helpful. Regards Bal On 17 July 2018 at 10:29, Tilman Haerdle via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > We use v17 on a new project and didn't run into any issues at all. On the > contrary, it is super stable and very reliable. Especially the ORDA stuff > works amazingly well. > > Cheers, > Tilman Haerdle > extragroup GmbH > > > Am 16.07.2018 um 23:05 schrieb steve simpson via 4D_Tech < > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > > > I see that a lot of you are using v17, doing active development with it, > > testing it out with current projects, etc. I don't normally move > production > > projects into a new version until the xx.2 or xx.3 iterations, but am > > wondering if some of you who are actually using v17 in production could > > chime in with your opinion as to whether it is safe to move straight from > > v15.5 to v17 now, or best to move first to v16 and wait for a couple more > > updates to v17. Is it ready? > > > > - > > Stephen Simpson > > Cimarron Software > > ** > > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > > ** > > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** > ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
Re: v17 ready for prime time?
We use v17 on a new project and didn't run into any issues at all. On the contrary, it is super stable and very reliable. Especially the ORDA stuff works amazingly well. Cheers, Tilman Haerdle extragroup GmbH > Am 16.07.2018 um 23:05 schrieb steve simpson via 4D_Tech > <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>: > > I see that a lot of you are using v17, doing active development with it, > testing it out with current projects, etc. I don't normally move production > projects into a new version until the xx.2 or xx.3 iterations, but am > wondering if some of you who are actually using v17 in production could > chime in with your opinion as to whether it is safe to move straight from > v15.5 to v17 now, or best to move first to v16 and wait for a couple more > updates to v17. Is it ready? > > - > Stephen Simpson > Cimarron Software > ** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com > ** ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
v17 ready for prime time?
I see that a lot of you are using v17, doing active development with it, testing it out with current projects, etc. I don't normally move production projects into a new version until the xx.2 or xx.3 iterations, but am wondering if some of you who are actually using v17 in production could chime in with your opinion as to whether it is safe to move straight from v15.5 to v17 now, or best to move first to v16 and wait for a couple more updates to v17. Is it ready? - Stephen Simpson Cimarron Software ** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: https://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:4d_tech-unsubscr...@lists.4d.com **
