Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Thanks Tai.

That's really all I was trying to figure out in the first place.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Tai Bui via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Bugs reports have already been made on the expand/collapse all shortcuts.
>
> ACI0097204: [136792] Discrepancy Between Observed Behavior and Documented
> Behavior
> - Doc says that shortcut on Mac OS is Command+Click, that doesn't work but
> Control+Click seems to work. (32 bit)
>
> ACI0097205: [136790] Collapse All Shortcut not Working in 64 Bit 4D
> - The issue that you guys are describing.
>
> Best Regards,
> -Tai B.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip
> Scheide via 4D_Tech
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 6:55 AM
> To: 4D iNug Technical
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> Subject: Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?
>
> lost functionality - **SHOULD** be a bug...
> of course that is when it is not a feature  :)
>
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 05:41:59 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> > A HA!
> > Now, is it bug or is it a feature?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
> > 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kirk,
> >>
> >> 32 vs 64 bit.
> >>
> >> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >> [image: --]
> >> Wayne Stewart
> >> [image: http://]about.me/waynestewart 
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech
> >> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I did not know that snippet.
> >>> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
> >>>
>  Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
>  <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> >>>
> >>> a écrit :
> 
>  In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>  displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
> >> Control
>  (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles.
>  This doesn't work for me in v16.
> 
>  I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
>  Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think
> of.
> 
>  I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may
>  have
> >>> either
>  set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> 
>  Thanks
> 
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RE: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread Tai Bui via 4D_Tech
Hi,

Bugs reports have already been made on the expand/collapse all shortcuts.

ACI0097204: [136792] Discrepancy Between Observed Behavior and Documented 
Behavior
- Doc says that shortcut on Mac OS is Command+Click, that doesn't work but 
Control+Click seems to work. (32 bit)

ACI0097205: [136790] Collapse All Shortcut not Working in 64 Bit 4D
- The issue that you guys are describing.

Best Regards,
-Tai B.




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From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip Scheide 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 6:55 AM
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Subject: Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

lost functionality - **SHOULD** be a bug...
of course that is when it is not a feature  :)

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 05:41:59 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> A HA!
> Now, is it bug or is it a feature?
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
>> Kirk,
>>
>> 32 vs 64 bit.
>>
>> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> [image: --]
>> Wayne Stewart
>> [image: http://]about.me/waynestewart 
>>
>>
>> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I did not know that snippet.
>>> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
>>>
 Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
 <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
>>>
>>> a écrit :

 In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
 displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
>> Control
 (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles.
 This doesn't work for me in v16.

 I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
 Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.

 I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may
 have
>>> either
 set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.

 Thanks

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech
lost functionality - **SHOULD** be a bug...
of course that is when it is not a feature  :)

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 05:41:59 -0700, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech wrote:
> A HA!
> Now, is it bug or is it a feature?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kirk,
>> 
>> 32 vs 64 bit.
>> 
>> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> 
>> [image: --]
>> Wayne Stewart
>> [image: http://]about.me/waynestewart
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I did not know that snippet.
>>> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
>>> 
 Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
>>> 
>>> a écrit :
 
 In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
 displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
>> Control
 (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
 doesn't work for me in v16.
 
 I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
 Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
 
 I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
>>> either
 set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
 
 Thanks
 
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
A HA!
Now, is it bug or is it a feature?

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:17 AM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Kirk,
>
> 32 vs 64 bit.
>
> The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> [image: --]
> Wayne Stewart
> [image: http://]about.me/waynestewart
> 
>
>
> On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I did not know that snippet.
> > It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
> >
> > > Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com
> >
> > a écrit :
> > >
> > > In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> > > displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
> Control
> > > (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> > > doesn't work for me in v16.
> > >
> > > I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> > > Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
> > >
> > > I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
> > either
> > > set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kirk Brooks
> > > San Francisco, CA
> > > ===
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> > > nothing.*
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech
Kirk,

32 vs 64 bit.

The redesigned window in 64 bit doesn't have this functionality.




Regards,

Wayne


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On 16 August 2017 at 20:19, bernard--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> I did not know that snippet.
> It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.
>
> > Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> a écrit :
> >
> > In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> > displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
> > (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> > doesn't work for me in v16.
> >
> > I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> > Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
> >
> > I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
> either
> > set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Kirk Brooks
> > San Francisco, CA
> > ===
> >
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> > nothing.*
> >
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread bernard--- via 4D_Tech
I did not know that snippet.
It works for me with V16R3 on my MacBook Pro on macOS Sierra.

> Le 11 août 2017 à 00:34, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> doesn't work for me in v16.
> 
> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
> 
> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have either
> set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Kirk Brooks
> San Francisco, CA
> ===
> 
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> nothing.*
> 
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-16 Thread Ingo Wolf via 4D_Tech
I use 4D 16.1 on MacOS 10.11.6 and collectively open/close all panes of the the 
property list of the form editor works when I press  while clicking on 
the triangle.

HTH
Ingo Wolf


>Um - does this mean no one else is seeing this behavior?
>
>Any thoughts about why it is happening on my machines?
>
>On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:
>
>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>> doesn't work for me in v16.
>>
>> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
>> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
>>
>> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
>> either set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Kirk Brooks
>> San Francisco, CA


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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-14 Thread Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech
I never collapse/expand the sections…

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Um - does this mean no one else is seeing this behavior?

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-14 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Well that explains why no one else seems to miss it...

I find it really handy to tighten the list when working with objects and
such.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I didn’t know about this shortcut either. Never tried it before - or now.
>
> > On Aug 14, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > Never knew about this shortcut...
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey Kain
> > jeffrey.k...@gmail.com
> >
> > On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> >>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the
> Control
> >>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> >>> doesn't work for me in v16.
> >
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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-14 Thread Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech
I didn’t know about this shortcut either. Never tried it before - or now.

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
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> Never knew about this shortcut...
> 
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> On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
>>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>>> doesn't work for me in v16.
> 

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-14 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
Never knew about this shortcut...

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On Aug 14, 2017, at 5:04 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
wrote:
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>> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
>> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
>> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
>> doesn't work for me in v16.

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Re: How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-14 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Um - does this mean no one else is seeing this behavior?

Any thoughts about why it is happening on my machines?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Kirk Brooks  wrote:

> In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
> displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
> (not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
> doesn't work for me in v16.
>
> I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
> Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.
>
> I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have
> either set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.
>
> Thanks
>
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How to show / hide all on Property List in v16?

2017-08-10 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
In prior versions when working with a form and the Property List is
displayed I could show/hide all panes on the list by holding the Control
(not the Command) key and clicking on one of the pane triangles. This
doesn't work for me in v16.

I've tried on two different Macs, one running Sierra and the other
Yosemite. And I've tried every combination of modifiers I can think of.

I believe I asked about this before. Is there some option I may have either
set or unset to cause this? Really annoying.

Thanks

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