overloading requires the concept of inheritance based on class.
although it was confirmed during the Summit that the feature is under
development,
I would urge you to spend a moment to check out immediately
collection methods that accept a "callback" project method.
[JPR]
Hi All,
In fact, it seems that it has been a little misunderstanding in this case of
XML Structure. What LR was talking about is the NEW way which has been
demonstrated by Laurent Esnault during the Summit.
With the new way of handling the 4DB (usually named 'the structure'), it will
>So Laurent must have been confused and maybe thought, why create fields
> with SQL when you could create tables and fields with the IMPORT STRUCTURE
> command.
While I did not shared that conversation, I can only imagine that there was a
misunderstanding in "how to modify the XML based
I believe LR may have suggested importing XML into a new structure. That’ll
give you what you want. You can then open the old structure with a 4D copy and
drag methods & forms across.
depending on the size (and age) of your structure, probably easier to manually
rename the relations, I guess
I suggest you mention JPR in this message so that JPR will see it and
perhaps pass your comments along :)
Pat
On 10 April 2018 at 22:33, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 10, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Randy Engle wrote:
>
> > I tried this from several different angles
On Apr 10, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Randy Engle wrote:
> I tried this from several different angles (16r6)
> Import XML Structure works like importing records.
> It doesn't "update" or "merge", just imports new structure elements (Tables)
>
> Perhaps Laurent was confused at that moment?
You are right
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Jim Crate via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>> What is ORDA? It is not a “a historical sociopolitical and military
>> structure of Mongol Eurasia”. This is a new
> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 23:03:31 -0500
> From: Tim Nevels
>
> The 4D SQL engine is a layer above the 4D database engine. SQL statements
> must be translated into a form that the 4D database engine can process. And
> that can take many forms. Some would work but be super
What would be cool would be to create some form of overloaded operators.
Say you wanted to merge two contacts (define your rules for that in the member
function)
Then you could say something like (I'm just making up the systax)
Contact{1}.merge(contact{2})
The future looks like fun and not the
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> Something that may not be immediately obvious is that using ORDA will reduce
> the amount of code needed to query the database. In relational databases you
> have to query this table, join to another
> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 21:46:17 -0400
> From: Jim Crate
>
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>> So you want an example of ORDA and changes to the 4D language? Here’s one
>> form JPR’s advanced class. (Hope I am not doing
LIVE!
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Hi,
>> n
Hi,
>> naming relations is needed to take make the code readable.
>Laurent's suggestion is to export the structure in XML, modify all the
relation names in the text file, and reimport the structure as XML. It will
be faster than to go across the complete graphical structure representation.
Finally - a Frenchman unafraid to use quotes from Proust and Yogi Berra
like the curly brackets of a well formed JSON. Well done sir - well done.
--
Kirk Brooks
San Francisco, CA
===
*We go vote - they go home*
I am very excited about ORDA. Hopefully it will help to attract more young
developers.
I am however somewhat cautious about the potential GOTCHAS that will
undoubtedly come out from using it. A few early examples:
I find the having to restart the server if an entity or property (table or
hank all
the attendees to this first new training for their flawless attention and their
patience regarding the inevitable mistakes of a beta-version training on a
beta-version product...
My very best,
JPR
> On 9 Apr 2018, at 23:35, 4d_tech-requ...@lists.4d.com wrote:
>
> From: Tim Neve
On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Kirk Brooks wrote:
> I did not hear anyone talk about SQL. On the other hand I didn't hear
> anyone say SQL is dead. My takeaway is it's not a priority - if you're
> working in 4D use 4D's data engine. I think SQL is viewed as a connectivity
> feature, not a design
>
> 1. Use a Web Based front end. It is really amazing to me how well
> even a web site not designed for iOS works on an iPhone or iPad. If
> designed to fit in iOS even better. I will be giving a 4DMethod
> (https://4dmethod.com) presentation on the 25th of this month on
> using Xojo
I, and I know many others have been asking for something for mobile for a long
time.
4D mobile was an attempt, Wakanda was too -but neither really met the need, or
ease of what 4D for iOS appears to be
>> Thanks for taking the time to give us this detailed hint at what's coming.
>> This is
Jim,
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Jim Labos - infobase via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> But I am excited and encouraged (and proud) to see that 4D is still pouring
> creativity and features into the platform. As developers we need to be
> constantly kept excited and challenged with
On Apr 9, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:
> What is ORDA? It is not a “a historical sociopolitical and military structure
> of Mongol Eurasia”. This is a new term that 4D has created. It stands for
> Object Relational Database Access.
It might be a new
On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Jim Labos wrote:
> Thanks for taking the time to give us this detailed hint at what's coming.
> This is fantastic and exciting news! I hope the iOS feature will get
> developed to it's max. This has potential to open many areas for us
> developers.
While it is great
On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Jim Labos wrote:
> Thanks for taking the time to give us this detailed hint at what's coming.
> This is fantastic and exciting news! I hope the iOS feature will get
> developed to it's max. This has potential to open many areas for us
> developers.
The general idea
On Apr 9, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Richard Wright wrote:
> I’ll be interested in learning how this differs from Views, not necessarily
> 4D’s rather simplistic implementation, but something like Oracle’s, along
> with their very powerful SQL implementation.
Hi Rich,
It might be possible in the
Richard,
I did not hear anyone talk about SQL. On the other hand I didn't hear
anyone say SQL is dead. My takeaway is it's not a priority - if you're
working in 4D use 4D's data engine. I think SQL is viewed as a connectivity
feature, not a design goal.
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Richard
Thanks for taking the time to give us this detailed hint at what's coming.
This is fantastic and exciting news! I hope the iOS feature will get
developed to it's max. This has potential to open many areas for us
developers.
I have not found a need for the object oriented code yet, but then I'm
Thanks for this useful info! /pg
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My sentiments exactly, thanks Tim I really appreciate your Summit thoughts!
Robert
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:52 AM, Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> Nice write up, Tim. Thanks!
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> On 9 Apr 2018, at 21:25, Richard Wright via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> I’ll be interested in learning how this differs from Views, not necessarily
> 4D’s rather simplistic implementation, but something like Oracle’s, along
> with their very powerful SQL implementation.
Hi
I’ll be interested in learning how this differs from Views, not necessarily
4D’s rather simplistic implementation, but something like Oracle’s, along with
their very powerful SQL implementation.
Richard Wright
DataDomain
On Apr 9, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Tom Swenson wrote:
> Nice writeup! Makes me sorry that I couldn't fit in time to attend the Summit
> this year.
>
> I'll toss in a bit of history - "object" databases. It was a concept that
> kind of flared up back in the 90s but didn't get any market traction.
>
Tim,
Nice writeup! Makes me sorry that I couldn't fit in time to attend the Summit
this year.
I'll toss in a bit of history - "object" databases. It was a concept that kind
of flared up back in the 90s but didn't get any market traction.
For instance, way back when I was working at Motorola,
Thanks
--
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PS: If you know of anyone that needs an experienced 4D programmer to add
energy and experience to their team, please let me know. I have
experience in many areas. Reasonable rates. Remote or Paris only.
As one not able to attend the Summit this year - Thank You Tim! Excellent
information, easy read.
Kirk
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> I got back from 4D Summit 2018 in Washington DC and thought I’d post a few of
> my thoughts and
Nice write up, Tim. Thanks!
> On Apr 9, 2018, at 7:06 AM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> wrote:
>
> I got back from 4D Summit 2018 in Washington DC and thought I’d post a few of
> my thoughts and comments about this year’s summit.
>
> I went to JPR’s advanced class and he
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