Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

Wow! And thanks for the info, no rush on 17.1, for this issue at least!
Alan

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Our server disconnected all users and stopped responding at the time of
> the time change in v17.1.  Coincidence?
>
> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just wanted to let everyone know that this is still happening in v17.0.
> Does
> > anyone know if it is fixed in v17.1?
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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Our server disconnected all users and stopped responding at the time of the 
time change in v17.1.  Coincidence? 

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
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> Just wanted to let everyone know that this is still happening in v17.0. Does
> anyone know if it is fixed in v17.1?

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

It was supposed to have been fixed in 17.0 HF4.  

> On Mar 18, 2019, at 9:42 AM, Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
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> Hello out there,
> Just wanted to let everyone know that this is still happening in v17.0. Does
> anyone know if it is fixed in v17.1?
> Thanks,

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

Hello out there,
Just wanted to let everyone know that this is still happening in v17.0. Does
anyone know if it is fixed in v17.1?
Thanks,
Alan



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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[David Samson via 4D_Tech]

>
>
> This is not only on Mac. We had the same problem on Windows. 64 bit server
and 32 bit clients.

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

Hi, timestamp is agnostic to timezone which is why it wasn’t caught by the bug.

2018/11/05 19:14、Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:

So Timestamp uses a completely different -source- for determining time than 
Current time and Current date?



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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

All of our customers also had to relaunch their servers yesterday. They are all 
on v16r6. Must be a new bug as I don’t remember this happening in the past.

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> This completely broke credit card processing until I could track this down. 
> Thanks for confirming that this is a widespread issue.

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Miyako,
So Timestamp uses a completely different -source- for determining time than
Current time and Current date?

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:45 AM Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
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> 16R4 and later offers Timestamp
>
> http://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17/Timestamp.301-3730728.en.html
> https://blog.4d.com/timestamp-is-now-available/
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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 5 nov. 2018 à 09:42, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> > a écrit :
> 
> 16R4 and later offers Timestamp
> 
> http://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17/Timestamp.301-3730728.en.html 
> 
> 
> https://blog.4d.com/timestamp-is-now-available/ 
> 
I had forgotten  :-(

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

16R4 and later offers Timestamp

http://doc.4d.com/4Dv17/4D/17/Timestamp.301-3730728.en.html

https://blog.4d.com/timestamp-is-now-available/

2018/11/05 17:40、Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech 
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I'd like to have 4D functions for UTC:



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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 4 nov. 2018 à 20:01, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> Seems like Current time(*) from a client might be cached incorrectly as an 
> optimization, since Current time and Current time(*) on the server both 
> returned correct values.

Looks like. But I'm wondering about that "optimisation", given Current time(*) 
is slower than Current time and seems to send a request to the server. 


> This completely broke credit card processing


I don't like to use local time since I noticed that nightly processes could 
create records with timestamps prior to records created before (sic), I use 
timestamps UTC based instead. I'd like to have 4D functions for UTC:

In waiting, see Miyako's nice use of XML DECODE in the same thread. I used it 
to get zone offset in seconds:
 

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

for tracking purposes, the ID is ACI0098123.

I understand the problem occurs on Windows only, 4D 64-bit only (16R and v17)

2018/11/05 3:54、Christian Sakowski via 4D_Tech 
<4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
Yes, we (in Europe) has the same issue one week ago, because we gone back from 
DST last Sunday of Oct.
However, i reported this issue to 4D (Germany).



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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Seems like Current time(*) from a client might be cached incorrectly as an 
optimization, since Current time and Current time(*) on the server both 
returned correct values.

This completely broke credit card processing until I could track this down. 
Thanks for confirming that this is a widespread issue.

Jeff

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Christian Sakowski 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, we (in Europe) has the same issue one week ago, because we gone back 
> from DST last Sunday of Oct.
> However, i reported this issue to 4D (Germany).
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>> Am 04.11.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech 
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>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing that current time (*) called from a Mac client to a 
>> Windows server running 4D v17 (HF3) is returning a time that's an hour ahead?
>> 
>> The Windows time on the server is current, and current time on the server 
>> returns the correct time.  But current time(*) from a client is an hour 
>> ahead.
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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Christian Sakowski via 4D_Tech]

Yes, we (in Europe) has the same issue one week ago, because we gone back from 
DST last Sunday of Oct.
However, i reported this issue to 4D (Germany).
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> Am 04.11.2018 um 17:23 schrieb Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>:
> 
> Is anyone else seeing that current time (*) called from a Mac client to a 
> Windows server running 4D v17 (HF3) is returning a time that's an hour ahead?
> 
> The Windows time on the server is current, and current time on the server 
> returns the correct time.  But current time(*) from a client is an hour ahead.
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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 4 nov. 2018 à 18:34, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
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> Looks like restarting the server fixes it.

Sorry, I did not see you mentioned v17. For my own I see my alert twice a year 
since v12: seems to be a deep solid bug. I've heard in Europe Daylight Saving 
Time (DST) could be abandoned next year - good for 4D.  

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Arnaud de Montard via 4D_Tech]

> Le 4 nov. 2018 à 17:23, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> a 
> écrit :
> 
> Is anyone else seeing that current time (*) called from a Mac client to a 
> Windows server running 4D v17 (HF3) is returning a time that's an hour ahead?
> 
> The Windows time on the server is current, and current time on the server 
> returns the correct time.  But current time(*) from a client is an hour ahead.

Did you restart the client and/or server? And what version? 
I have an old code that compares client/server hours at client startup (alert 
if different). At each time change, the alert throws: server not updated, I 
have to restart it. I don't know if this bug is corrected and, if it is, since 
when. 

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Looks like restarting the server fixes it.

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Jeffrey Kain  wrote:
> 
> Yep - everything is in synch as far as Windows is concerned - same time zone, 
> etc.  Same time zone on the Mac as well.  Two of our three servers yield the 
> wrong time on Mac clients (and maybe Windows clients too) when asking for the 
> server time.
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy French via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In the US the time changed — in the early morning of November 4th — from 
>> daylight saving time to standard time.
>> 
>> So, do both the server and client computers automatically set the date and 
>> time? If not, is the client still on daylight saving time?
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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

Yep - everything is in synch as far as Windows is concerned - same time zone, 
etc.  Same time zone on the Mac as well.  Two of our three servers yield the 
wrong time on Mac clients (and maybe Windows clients too) when asking for the 
server time.

> On Nov 4, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Jeremy French via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> In the US the time changed — in the early morning of November 4th — from 
> daylight saving time to standard time.
> 
> So, do both the server and client computers automatically set the date and 
> time? If not, is the client still on daylight saving time?

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Re: Current time (*) incorrect today on v17?

[Jeremy French via 4D_Tech]

Are the server and client in the same time zone?

In the US the time changed — in the early morning of November 4th — from 
daylight saving time to standard time.

So, do both the server and client computers automatically set the date and 
time? If not, is the client still on daylight saving time?


> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone else seeing that current time (*) called from a Mac client to a 
> Windows server running 4D v17 (HF3) is returning a time that's an hour ahead?
> 
> The Windows time on the server is current, and current time on the server 
> returns the correct time.  But current time(*) from a client is an hour ahead.

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