Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

 also for the record, this problem exists in v13.6 in windows as well as
macOS.
the copy & paste solution helps.
closing and reopening the help tips window also generally clears the issue
for a while.
Alan


On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:48 AM Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
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> We manage help tips this way:
> - For each object, select the On Mouse Enter form event
> - We have a Help Tip named "HelpText" which simply contains a variable,
> tHelpText. Select that Help Tip for each object.
> - On the object, populate the tHelpText variable in the On Mouse Enter form
> event.
>
> With this scheme, you can customise your help tips in lots of creative ways
> - e.g. depending on whether the user is on Mac or Windows, what day of the
> week it is, what level of access the user has, or whatever. I also find it
> much easier to manage the tips as you don't have to deal with a long list
> of Help Tips.
>
> Pat
>
> Pat
>
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 06:32, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>
> > for the record, problem does not exist for v14 or later.
> >
> > this is basically a compatibility issue between macOS 10.8/9 and 13.6
> > (evidently a regression from 13.5, really sorry about that...),
> > which was released in the first half of 2015.
> >
> > > 2018/06/12 13:22、Dan Ivy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
> > >
> > > I agree with Doug about where this is coming from. Also as a workaround
> > I had
> > > success using a text editor to create the help text with carriage
> returns
> > > and then paste it into the 4D help editor. After that 4D seems to allow
> > > returns to be added or deleted from the text displayed in the help
> > editor.
> >
> >
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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

We manage help tips this way:
- For each object, select the On Mouse Enter form event
- We have a Help Tip named "HelpText" which simply contains a variable,
tHelpText. Select that Help Tip for each object.
- On the object, populate the tHelpText variable in the On Mouse Enter form
event.

With this scheme, you can customise your help tips in lots of creative ways
- e.g. depending on whether the user is on Mac or Windows, what day of the
week it is, what level of access the user has, or whatever. I also find it
much easier to manage the tips as you don't have to deal with a long list
of Help Tips.

Pat

Pat


On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 06:32, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> for the record, problem does not exist for v14 or later.
>
> this is basically a compatibility issue between macOS 10.8/9 and 13.6
> (evidently a regression from 13.5, really sorry about that...),
> which was released in the first half of 2015.
>
> > 2018/06/12 13:22、Dan Ivy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
> >
> > I agree with Doug about where this is coming from. Also as a workaround
> I had
> > success using a text editor to create the help text with carriage returns
> > and then paste it into the 4D help editor. After that 4D seems to allow
> > returns to be added or deleted from the text displayed in the help
> editor.
>
>
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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

for the record, problem does not exist for v14 or later.

this is basically a compatibility issue between macOS 10.8/9 and 13.6
(evidently a regression from 13.5, really sorry about that...),
which was released in the first half of 2015.

> 2018/06/12 13:22、Dan Ivy via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
>
> I agree with Doug about where this is coming from. Also as a workaround I had
> success using a text editor to create the help text with carriage returns
> and then paste it into the 4D help editor. After that 4D seems to allow
> returns to be added or deleted from the text displayed in the help editor.



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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

I wouldn't beat myself over that.

UI threads are never preemptive. (and who needs helps tips outside the UI?)

2016/11/08 6:22、Keith Goebel 
mailto:keit...@clear.net.nz>> のメール：

Downside:
Perhaps not such a good solution now, with Preemptive Processing not working 
when there are IP vars involved...
Cheers, Keith



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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Alan:

The messages in the thread "Text Editing Bug Introduced with v13.6" (from
10/2015) might shed some light on things.

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On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:50 PM Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Hello Jim & everyone,
>
> I still have this issue with 4D v13.6 in sometimes in Help Tips and
> sometimes in text fields.
>
> Has it been resolved somehow?
>
> Thanks!
> Alan
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:13 PM Jim Labos - infobase 
> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for double post. I meant to post to 4D Tech)
> >
> > The first edit works fine but when I move to another Help Tip the cursor
> > will not respond to Carriage Return. I get a system beep instead.
> >
> > Any clues?
> >
> > OSX 10.8.5  4D Developer v13.6
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jim Labos - infobase
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Alan Tilson via 4D_Tech]

Hello Jim & everyone,

I still have this issue with 4D v13.6 in sometimes in Help Tips and
sometimes in text fields.

Has it been resolved somehow?

Thanks!
Alan

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 7:13 PM Jim Labos - infobase 
wrote:

> Sorry for double post. I meant to post to 4D Tech)
>
> The first edit works fine but when I move to another Help Tip the cursor
> will not respond to Carriage Return. I get a system beep instead.
>
> Any clues?
>
> OSX 10.8.5  4D Developer v13.6
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Labos - infobase
>
>
>
> -
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> --
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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Koen Van Hooreweghe]

But you can use xliff references in help tips. I have been using successfully 
and for a long time the :resourceId,stringNbr notation. Actually I'm using an 
IP variable, like :<>STRHelp,82
The help tip editor shows the reference, but at runtime I'm getting the correct 
text.

The usage of an IP variable helps to display my 4D app interface in another 
language than the OS language and even switch on the fly. Which is useful in 
our 3 official language little country Belgium...

Kind regards,
Koen

Op 7-nov.-2016, om 23:49 heeft Keisuke Miyako  het 
volgende geschreven:

> 2. the editor is not XLIFF compliant. the language, by contrast, supports 
> XLIFF:




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Re: Why won't Help Tip editor accept Carriage Return?

[Keisuke Miyako]

also useful to know about help tips:

1. they can be set by code (since v13):
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16/OBJECT-SET-HELP-TIP.301-3036170.en.html

2. the editor is not XLIFF compliant. the language, by contrast, supports XLIFF:

http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16/OBJECT-Get-help-tip.301-3036177.en.html
http://doc.4d.com/4Dv16/4D/16/Help-Tip-editor.300-3049012.en.html

> 2016/11/08 6:22、Keith Goebel  のメール：
> Have a method that either populates the variables or clears them - depending 
> on whether you want text to display in the tips.



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