RE: 4D World Tour ... Way more than your moneysworth

2019-05-15 Thread Lo via 4D_Tech
Well said Pat Having been a 4D developer for 30 odd years I've been to several of JPRs training sessions and always come away having learnt something valuable. Well wort the cost. On the train home from the London World Tour I re-designed our old record change auditing system. Entities

Re: 4D World Tour ... Way more than your moneysworth

2019-05-15 Thread Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech
I agree with Pat. Orda is a massive change and JPR really does make it quite clear where the future is. Plus the resources included are great value for money. Paul -- Sent from: http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.com/4D-Tech-f1376241.html

4D World Tour ... Way more than your moneysworth

2019-05-14 Thread Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech
My head is buzzing with ideas and information following the World Tour training day with JPR in sunny London. If you are serious about your work and it isn't too late for you, you need to go! OH BUT IT COSTS MONEY Yes, it does cost a little. Probably somewhat less than you charge for a day's

Re: 4D World Tour - Seattle

2019-05-06 Thread John J Foster via 4D_Tech
Hi Tom, > It appears to address what I’ve long considered to be a major shortcoming in > 4D - the lack of support for automated testing. Oh yes, automated testing! That will be a real boon for the developmental process. If it could be made easier I think more developers would use it. And now

Re: 4D World Tour - Seattle

2019-05-05 Thread Tom Benedict via 4D_Tech
John Foster wrote: >I am sending this knowing that there is only one more stop in San Jose. But if >you have any doubts about going please don’t. > >Take advantage of the first free day with a free lunch and fellow camaraderie. >And get teased about the content of the 2nd day. I second John’s

4D World Tour - Seattle

2019-05-04 Thread John J Foster via 4D_Tech
Hi All, I am sending this knowing that there is only one more stop in San Jose. But if you have any doubts about going please don’t. Take advantage of the first free day with a free lunch and fellow camaraderie. And get teased about the content of the 2nd day. For me I think I finally

The 4D World Tour - coming soon to Austin, TX!

2019-04-16 Thread Donna GALLIS via 4D_Tech
GET READY, START YOUR ENGINES! The 4D World Tour in Austin is just around the bend. The 4D World Tour is a series of 40 events around the world where our teams will travel to Austin, TX, and share the latest developments in 4D technology, as well as offer a state-of-the-art training session

world tour

2019-04-11 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech
If you still have a chance run do not walk. Great content on both days. Chuck -- - Chuck Miller Voice: (617) 739-0306 Fax: (617) 232-1064 Informed Solutions, Inc. Brookline, MA 02446 USA Registered 4D

Re: I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-11 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
I agree - it's easy to cherry-pick examples that are well-suited to ORDA. The ORDA engine is definitely fast, but our tests show that the classic commands are still faster overall. You just have to write a lot more code. In my tests in client/server mode (and 4D always demos ORDA in

Re: I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-11 Thread Jim Hays via 4D_Tech
I agree with Kirk on the value of the World Tour. What you get for the price is a no brainer for us. Add showed really interesting things with dynamic forms, 4D Write Pro, and 4D View Pro. I'll disagree a bit on the value of ORDA. JPR showed some examples of how much faster ORDA can be than

Re: I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-10 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
more refined preview of 4D for iOS. There are a > > number of useful elements you can pull right into a project - assuming > you > > are working v17+. > > > > And this is really a critical point - the World Tour is focused on the > > future of 4D and that future is

Re: I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-10 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Jody Thanks Be rested and any time you can put into prep will pay off On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:14 AM Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > Kirk: > > Thanks for taking the time to think through this and write it out. The > Summit last year was a good introduction, and my

Re: I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-10 Thread Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech
dynamic forms and a more refined preview of 4D for iOS. There are a > number of useful elements you can pull right into a project - assuming you > are working v17+. > > And this is really a critical point - the World Tour is focused on the > future of 4D and that future is ORDA. Act

Re: I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-10 Thread Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech
Kirk: Thanks for taking the time to think through this and write it out. The Summit last year was a good introduction, and my expectation is that the WT this year will be some serious work to be thought through. Plan on coming rested this time. Thanks again Jody > On Apr 10, 2019, at 8:00

I really recommend the 4D World Tour

2019-04-10 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
one. They highlight and present many of the new capabilities involving ORDA, Form, dynamic forms and a more refined preview of 4D for iOS. There are a number of useful elements you can pull right into a project - assuming you are working v17+. And this is really a critical point - the World Tour

Re: 4D World Tour 2019 - Cool new stuff are coming your way

2019-03-22 Thread Add Komoncharoensiri via 4D_Tech
Hi Paul, I am sorry to hear about your registration experience. I have forwarded this issue to our team. Hope it will be resolved soon. In the meantime, I recommend that you contact your 4D Sales Representative directly to get you registered. Regards, Add  On 3/22/19, 5:35 AM, "4D_Tech on

Re: 4D World Tour 2019 - Cool new stuff are coming your way

2019-03-22 Thread Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech
It sounds very good and I just try to sign up for the two day event in London. Your shopping cart experience leaves something to be desired. After the registration form you get a button to pay for day 2. Which then takes you to the 4D store page which is completely useless. Firstly you have to

4D World Tour 2019 - Cool new stuff are coming your way

2019-03-21 Thread Add Komoncharoensiri via 4D_Tech
Hi everyone, As of now, most of you should already know about the upcoming 2019 4D World Tour. As one of the 4D World Tour presenters, I’m looking forward to see many of you and share with you some of the cool stuff we have been working on in the last several months. Our focus is not just

Re: About World Tour 2019: Some answers (JPR)

2019-02-17 Thread JPR via 4D_Tech
> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:49:25 -0600 > From: Tim Nevels [JPR] Hi Tim, > I am definitely attending the Chicago 4D World Tour. I’ve attended all the 4D > World Tours that have been offered and attended every JPR presentation. I’ve > been to every 4D Summit since 1991 except

About World Tour 2019: Some explanations

2019-02-15 Thread JPR via 4D_Tech
[JPR] Hi Guys, Thanks! And thanks again! You are really interested, and you don't trust something without testing! As Russian say: Доверяй, но проверяй. Trust, but verify. So you have been a lot to try my little test, and I've received a pack of mails like: Dear Uncle JPR, i don’t know what

Re: About World Tour 2019: Some answers (JPR)

2019-02-15 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
make mistakes > again, in order to find the easiest possible path in the programming jungle. > My purpose is to share all this experience with you. I am definitely attending the Chicago 4D World Tour. I’ve attended all the 4D World Tours that have been offered and attended every JPR pres

About World Tour 2019: Some answers

2019-02-15 Thread JPR via 4D_Tech
[JPR] Hi Guys, As usual, I've again received a lot of mails, from USA and the rest of the World, asking me if it's important to attend the WT2019, so once again, I've decided to do a global answer. All of the questions end with the same subliminal question: Does it worth it? Will we learn

4D World Tour 2019 - Registration is open!

2019-01-29 Thread Donna GALLIS via 4D_Tech
GET READY, START YOUR ENGINES! Register for 4D’s World Tour event & drive your success right through the finish line! The 4D World Tour is a series of 40 events around the world where our teams will travel to a city near you and share the latest developments in 4D technology, as well as o

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-08 Thread Floyd Zink via 4D_Tech
Ditto to what everyone else has already said about the 4D World Tour 2017 in Denver. Sorry I’m late posting, but all I can add is the knowledge and advice gained from the training is “priceless.” The ROI is off the charts. All the presenters were well prepared and explained a lot of the new

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-08 Thread Tom Dillon via 4D_Tech
Sorry, I failed to mention, but of course, JPR's "poof" was in an eelven on a scale of one to ten! Tom Dillon wrote: >I know I'm late to this and that there's only the one World Tour event >left (I had a three day, drinking from a firehose client meeting after >the WT). B

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-07 Thread Tom Dillon via 4D_Tech
I know I'm late to this and that there's only the one World Tour event left (I had a three day, drinking from a firehose client meeting after the WT). BUT, I thought about not going, because, ya know, maybe JPR might have lost some of the perk in his "poof, it is done". And I don't h

Long Beach - 4D World Tour

2017-05-06 Thread npdennis via 4D_Tech
I’m returning home this morning from the Long Beach 4D World Tour… The trip was well worth the cost even with Air, Food, Lodging and the class cost. Some training highlights: - Workers and Processes - Message communication - In depth look at ListBoxes - Code style hints to make programming

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-05 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On May 5, 2017, at 2:00 PM, David Adams wrote: > You seem excited about the event ;-) Keep in mind that not everyone can > attend because they either live to far away, have a scheduling conflict, or > are reading these posts in the future. Unless they invent a time travel > machine, it won't be

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-05 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On May 5, 2017, at 2:00 PM,Cannon Smith wrote: > Well, I thought I was talking about workers in general, but that was under > the assumption that all processes have some kind of execution cycle. Are you > saying that a non-UI process (ex. pre-emptive thread) won’t have an execution > cycle?

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech
Well, I thought I was talking about workers in general, but that was under the assumption that all processes have some kind of execution cycle. Are you saying that a non-UI process (ex. pre-emptive thread) won’t have an execution cycle? In either case, the only place I can think of where this

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
On May 4, 2017, at 2:00 PM,Cannon Smith wrote: > I also learned that in previous versions a worker would check for the next > message once per execution cycle. Right now that has changed so that the > worker will continue executing whatever it needs to empty the message queue > all in one

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
ing > than clarifying. And this is where the 2nd day of the 4D World Tour and JPR’s presentation is so valuable. He spends a lot of time talking about the worker process system. The ideas behind how it works. The detail of when things happen. (Example: if you open a window and then do CAL

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech
I also just got back from the World Tour. It was great to see some of you again and the information was very helpful. Add had some great demos and JPR shared a lot of great information. One thing JPR helped me understand better is that a worker is basically just a process ready to do things

RE: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread Justin Will via 4D_Tech
David, I completely agree!!! Call Form and Call Worker are really more accurately named and described by your naming. > As a quick heads-up, I think that the most accurate names for these commands > are respectively: > > EXECUTE METHOD IN WINDOW > EXECUTE METHOD IN WORKER Thanks Justin Will

Re: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Tim, Thanks for all of the details from your time at the tour, it sound really great. I'm happy to see that CALL FORM and CALL WORKER are being promoted, that's great. I strongly encourage everyone to try these features out. If you can find 30-60 minutes when you've got the feeling to experiment,

4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-04 Thread Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech
I was at the 4D World Tour in Denver and I agree with John. It was excellent. Probably better than the last world tour 2 years ago. I highly recommend it to everyone. And that includes all you guys that think you are 4D experts and already know all that you need to know about 4D. You don’t know

Fwd: 4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-03 Thread truegold via 4D_Tech
Oh, and Add did a great job expelling and demonstrating how to use subforms. You really need to wrap your head around them as they provide such flexibility. As I move forward I will try and use subforms every change I get. JOhn... > Hi All, > > I just returned form the 4D World Tour

4D World Tour - Denver

2017-05-03 Thread truegold via 4D_Tech
Hi All, I just returned form the 4D World Tour in Denver. I am very happy I went. I learned quite a bit about where 4D is “theoretically” going and where 4D is “currently" at. All the 4D presenters were excellent - even the new guy! And you know who you are. Add did a great job of t

Re: 2017 World Tour Component

2017-04-13 Thread JPR via 4D_Tech
[JPR] Hi Jim, The component has been made with 4D V16, this is why you can't use it with V15. My very best, JPR > Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:14:12 -0400 > From: Jim Medlen <j.med...@functionaldevices.com> > To: <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > Subject: 2017 World Tou

Re: 2017 World Tour Component

2017-04-12 Thread Brian Young via 4D_Tech
the component, but I believe it will only work when used with v16. That is the case in our tests within the office. Regards -Brian > On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Jim Medlen via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> > wrote: > > > > Trying to use the PICT_Convert.4dbase from t

2017 World Tour Component

2017-04-12 Thread Jim Medlen via 4D_Tech
Trying to use the PICT_Convert.4dbase from the 2017 World Tour I placed the component in the components folder for 4D v15.4 and received an Error Can¹t load component ³PICT_Convert.4DB Disk NbPart. Type Name Media Type Speed Total Size Description

4D World Tour - Go!

2017-04-06 Thread bob.miller--- via 4D_Tech
Hi Everyone, I'll pitch in here, too - I attended the World Tour in Chicago earlier this week (yeah, I live in Boston where it is also offered, but that's another story). I was impressed with the amount of preparation the 4D team did for the tour, with many good examples on the USB key

Re: CALL FORM and CALL WORKER ideas (Was: 4D World Tour - Get off the fence)

2017-04-06 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Jeffrey, Thanks for the note on subforms, that's good to hear. The last time I looked at them I found little in the docs and thought that it might be an orphaned features. Now I see that there are several pages in the Design and Language manuals. Sounds like it's time for another look, I

Re: CALL FORM and CALL WORKER ideas (Was: 4D World Tour - Get off the fence)

2017-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
I also thought the discussion on subforms was excellent too. I have to admit that I've never even looked at them, but they are definitely a game-changer as well. So, not a new feature but definitely new to me. -- Jeffrey Kain jeffrey.k...@gmail.com > On Apr 5, 2017, at 5:49 PM, David Adams via

CALL FORM and CALL WORKER ideas (Was: 4D World Tour - Get off the fence)

2017-04-05 Thread David Adams via 4D_Tech
Thanks for posting about the show, it sounds like a really solid couple of days. Likewise to all of the other, similar posts here today. I noticed as a theme a lot of excitement about CALL FORM and CALL WORKER. I'm pretty stoked about them and would really appreciate hearing from people how they

Re: [OFF] Hardware advice Was: 4D World Tour 2017

2017-04-05 Thread Peter Jakobsson via 4D_Tech
On 5 Apr 2017, at 19:52, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > If it was my personal money, I'd probably find a used MacBook Pro from 2014 > or 2015, fully loaded. If the purchase is part of a budget, I'd wait for the > forthcoming "Kaby Lake" revision to the MacBook Pro

Re: 4D World Tour 2017 (OFF) Hardware advice for the latest 4D Development

2017-04-05 Thread Charles Miller via 4D_Tech
On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Lee Hinde via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > I don’t even recognize the guy in the mirror. How could you that guy is me;) Chuck -- - Chuck Miller Voice: (617)

Re: [OFF] Hardware advice Was: 4D World Tour 2017

2017-04-05 Thread Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech
Yeah, what he said. On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech < 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote: > If it was my personal money, I'd probably find a used MacBook Pro from > 2014 or 2015, fully loaded. If the purchase is part of a budget, I'd wait > for the forthcoming "Kaby Lake"

4D World Tour - Get off the fence

2017-04-05 Thread Justin Will via 4D_Tech
I highly recommend going to the 4D world tour. There is always at least 1 tidbit that you walk away from events like this that makes the whole trip worthwhile and JPR and Add are both fantastic presenters with tons of valuable content. So if you are on the fence, get off the fence and sign up

Re: 4D World Tour 2017

2017-04-05 Thread Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech
Agreed - very glad I went also. This was a really good seminar. I hadn't been to a World Tour before -- JPR, Add, and everyone from 4D were great. A lot is changing very quickly in 4D, and JPR said v16 is just a stepping stone to what's coming. Now is not the time to fall behind... Jeff

Go to the World Tour 2017!

2017-04-05 Thread Ed Hammond via 4D_Tech
All, The 4D World Tour 2017 just breezed through Chicago and it's got me thinking about how our user interface is designed. So much has been added over the last few versions and there is so little time to explore and understand them all yourself. If you are at all serious about your 4D

4D World Tour 2017

2017-04-05 Thread David Porter via 4D_Tech
I just saw the 4D World Tour 2017 Day 2 State-of-the-art training presentation in Chicago. Jean-Pierre Ribreau and Add Komoncharoensiri did a great job explaining and demonstrating many recent changes to 4D. I am currently reviewing my notes, and going over the documentation and examples

JPR - Content of the World Tour 2017 Training Day

2017-03-09 Thread JPR via 4D_Tech
[JPR] Hi Guys, I've got some demands to described a little bit more what is going to be the content of the World Tour 2017's Training day. Some developers would like (probably) to know if they will not lose time and money to come and listen to JPR's speech once more time... Most of the topic

[ANN] 4D World Tour 2017 Topics - USA

2017-03-01 Thread Brian Young via 4D_Tech
Join us on the 2017 4D World Tour Every 4D developer will benefit from the free presentations on the latest platform advancements and inspired techniques. Register: http://events.4d.com/wt2017/ The 4D World Tour is a series of 38 events around the world. The USA offers six locations