[9fans] New user

2010-04-30 Thread ruel hernandez
Hi, my name is ruel hernandez, a contract worker here in saudi arabia as an electrician. i really wanted to know how computers and operating systems are working, at first i tried linux but along the way i found plan9 sometime in sept. 2009. i downloaded the sept iso and tried it live, at work

[9fans] Venti problem...?

2010-04-30 Thread Pavel Klinkovsky
Hi all, I installed Erik's 9atom.iso (official distribution fails to perform the bios boot): - fossil+venti - disk structure (proposed by installation process) 100 MB 9fat 512 B nvram 38057 MB fossil 190288 MB arenas 9514 MB isect 512 MB swap After the reboot I can see: 2010/0427 20:53:40 err 4:

Re: [9fans] ctrl radeon: not working for ATI Radeon 9600 Mobility?

2010-04-30 Thread Anton.Pavlovetsky
On Apr 29, 3:55 pm, m...@acm.jhu.edu (Venkatesh Srinivas) wrote: is it an m10? The device is ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]. What is the r300hack?

Re: [9fans] ctrl radeon: not working for ATI Radeon 9600 Mobility?

2010-04-30 Thread Anton.Pavlovetsky
On Apr 29, 2:23 pm, quans...@quanstro.net (erik quanstrom) wrote: the vesa driver works. I was curious to see how performance differs from vesa. And, meanwhile, am I right if I think that the whole graphics math is done on cpu (I mean - not on gpu), so the faster the cpu the better vesa (and

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-04-30 Thread lucio
trying to figure out how to view html pages but no sucess. I use htmlfmt(1), you can do the same until somebody explains how to use abaco(1) instead. Neither will do tables. ++L

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-30 Thread hiro
erik said: why is using nat to make many hosts look like one a bad thing? I suspect the reaction is based on being forced to use it when you'd rather not, like many residential ISPs require. It's particularly upsetting when the CPE doesn't even have a globally routable address. How much is

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-04-30 Thread erik quanstrom
trying to figure out how to view html pages but no sucess. I use htmlfmt(1), you can do the same until somebody explains how to use abaco(1) instead. Neither will do tables. false. abaco does tables correctly. see readweb(1) for details on how to start abaco. - erik

Re: [9fans] ctrl radeon: not working for ATI Radeon 9600 Mobility?

2010-04-30 Thread erik quanstrom
I was curious to see how performance differs from vesa. me, too. radeon performance is not good with vesa. meanwhile, am I right if I think that the whole graphics math is done on cpu (I mean - not on gpu), so the faster the cpu the better vesa (and any) driver performance? cpu speed seems

Re: [9fans] New user

2010-04-30 Thread lucio
false. abaco does tables correctly. see readweb(1) for details on how to start abaco. Oh, this crept in while I wasn't watching (I hope!). My apologies to fgb. ++L

Re: [9fans] ctrl radeon: not working for ATI Radeon 9600 Mobility?

2010-04-30 Thread Gabriel Díaz
hello Vesa code has some problems to deal with ati hd5750 cards here. Themouse cursor disappear when a lot of scrolling is happening, vesa is unable to drive the card beyond 8bit depth modes or 1280x1024 resolutions. Besides that, the performance i see is almost the same i had with the

[9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-04-30 Thread Michael Arnold
Booting from the CR-ROM ISO download on 28 April and get the following: PSB1... Plan 9 from Bell Labs ELCR:0E28 Clockinit...alarminit...meminit...spollo...pcimatch...kbdinit...plan9.ini probe...probing floppy...probing floppy...probing BIOS...probing BIOS...islba:drive 0X80 extensions version

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-04-30 Thread erik quanstrom
Some additional info on the hardware: - CD Rom - Philips DVD+-RW DVD8801 ATA Device - IDE Controller is an Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) Ultra ATA Storage Controllers ­ 27D7F, PCI Bus 0,IRQ: 0x000E (14) try 9atom. it works around quirks in ich7, especially with sata + pata combos.

[9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread EBo
I've been doing some background reading for my thesis and have been having some trouble figuring out how to cite some of the papers on IWP9, cat-v.org, etc. If people would be willing to email me BibTeX citations I would be happy to collate the collection and put it out on contrib. Thanks

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-30 Thread Anthony Sorace
I suspect the reaction is based on being forced to use it when you'd rather not, like many residential ISPs require. It's particularly upsetting when the CPE doesn't even have a globally routable address. How much is many? Um, some? I don't have any sort of global count. I've had 7 broadband

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-04-30 Thread Pavel Klinkovsky
And all activity seems to stop with cursor blinking.  Keyboard unresponsive to CTL-R. It starts to be typical... Try Erik's 9atom.iso. ;-) Pavel

Re: [9fans] Almost immediate ISO Boot Failure

2010-04-30 Thread EBo
Pavel Klinkovsky pavel.klinkov...@gmail.com said: And all activity seems to stop with cursor blinking.  Keyboard unresponsive to CTL-R. It starts to be typical... Try Erik's 9atom.iso. ;-) maybe it is time to try to pack-port some of Erik's stuff to the canonical source. EBo --

Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread Jacob Todd
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 08:18:09AM -0600, EBo wrote: I've been doing some background reading for my thesis and have been having some trouble figuring out how to cite some of the papers on IWP9, cat-v.org, etc. What kind of trouble? Is there something missing that you need? i.e. publisher

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-30 Thread Bakul Shah
On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 01:01:59 EDT erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: If the sender-receiver pipe can hold N bytes and the sender is streaming (that is, keeping the pipe full), the sender *will* be ahead of the receiver by N bytes. So a *streaming* protcol has to allow it to be N

Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread erik quanstrom
in addition to publisher, year, venue (for conferences), there is also page numbers, institutions... Just because the papers are published electronically does not mean that they do not or cannot have this information. i'll put the pdf of the proceedings up as soon as i get an electronic copy.

Re: [9fans] A simple experiment

2010-04-30 Thread erik quanstrom
i don't see any reason why 9p couldn't use some of the same congestion control ideas. the trick would be to feed back packet loss detection and retransmission info to the point where file io gets turned into rpcs→the mount driver Agreed -- sort of what I meant by I hope 9p evolves.

[9fans] IL experiment

2010-04-30 Thread lucio
Erik, I have a few syntax adjustments to /sys/src/9/ip/il.c that may interest you, can I mail you the diffs from the version in /n/sources/extra? Also, it seems a one-line adjustment to /sys/src/cmd/ndb/cs.c suffices to bring IL resolution back, I can mail you those diffs too. In return, I've

Re: [9fans] IL experiment

2010-04-30 Thread lucio
Erik, I have a few syntax adjustments... Oops! Apologies to all. ++L

Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread Steve Simon
Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities which had a plan9 bibtex database. If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format for those of us who are still troff luddites. -Steve

Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
A university in Utah. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Steve Simon st...@quintile.net wrote: Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities which had a plan9 bibtex database. If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format for those

Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread EBo
Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com said: http://www.math.utah.edu/pub/tex/bib/plan9.html Thanks for the pointer. I've downloaded it and am taking a look at it now.

Re: [9fans] Plan9/Inferno realted BibTeX database?

2010-04-30 Thread EBo
Steve Simon st...@quintile.net said: Search 8fans passim, there was alink to one of the US universities which had a plan9 bibtex database. I searched around and could not find what you were referring to. If you put one on sources, can you also convert it to refer format for those of us